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[Original Twigman]

BristowJ wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

 for all we know the juggernaught might be the go to kit for the weaker players

Might be a little off topic, but  I've seen more juggernaught players then any other new kit.  Second most seen is the krogan Warlord. 

lol, i only played with one random krogan warlord... and it was embarrasing....

it was on platinum and the final score was like... 6 (maybe 60?)k

it was pretty pathetic. went down all the time... he was trying, but he was just terrible

we stopped reviving him after awhile

[ZGaiden]

Original Stikman wrote...

what is the geth aggro puller?

Juggs?

Si. Post edited for clarity.

[N7 ElusiveOne]

Kittstalkur wrote...

At this point I'm pretty sure people are just objecting to the concept of the AIU.

Every AIU I've seen that isn't me has been pretty awful and Harrier toting.

I did see one AIU in a lobby other than myself and he was also using an assualt rifle. I don't even know.

However, I didn't stay in that lobby because I saw an Asari Adept with a Jav and GPS.

Modifié par ElusiveOneN7, 01 mars 2013 - 01:12 .

[Original Twigman]

ElusiveOneN7 wrote...

Kittstalkur wrote...

At this point I'm pretty sure people are just objecting to the concept of the AIU.

Every AIU I've seen that isn't me has been pretty awful and Harrier toting.

I did see one AIU in a lobby other than myself and he was also using an assualt rifle. I don't even know.

However, I didn't stay in that lobby because I saw an Asari Adept with a Jav and GPS.

oh lawwwd

[lightswitch]

Original Stikman wrote...

lightswitch wrote...


And you don't need to max fitness to have over 1000 shields,

you do.... unless you use gear for it... which... isn't smart

and no, you don't have to gimp her in any meaningful kind of way to get it.

your 66464 misses out on the cryo debuff.... so whats the point of it even speccing into it? it won't stagger armored enmies

 you only need four evos in Repair Matrix in order to get all the speed, DR, 

you do...

The only thing you're missing out on is shield recharge rate. But trust me - I've been testing a 6/6/4/6/4 build and the base recharge rate is still pretty good.

without the matrix... no base shield recharge rate is good...

I hate to say this... but I am going to stop responding to you because you are either mentally deficient or lying a lot...

I used to think you were a pretty reasonable poster, but now you're saying stuff that is straight up false and then accusing me of being stupid or lying when I point out the truth.

Observe:




Four evos in fitness, 1012 shields. And also: Snap Freeze is the second power. So it's 6/6/4/6/4. No need to skip any debuffs whatsoever. Do I need to make a video of staggering shielded mooks with Snap Freeze, too? I can and will if you want.

[J-Reyno]

Original Stikman wrote...

her survivability is not one of the best in the game

here are a few that are much better

Batarian Vangaurd
Krogan Vangaurd
Geth Juggernaught
Geth Soldier
etc.

False.

[Original Twigman]

lightswitch wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

lightswitch wrote...


And you don't need to max fitness to have over 1000 shields,

you do.... unless you use gear for it... which... isn't smart

and no, you don't have to gimp her in any meaningful kind of way to get it.

your 66464 misses out on the cryo debuff.... so whats the point of it even speccing into it? it won't stagger armored enmies

 you only need four evos in Repair Matrix in order to get all the speed, DR, 

you do...

The only thing you're missing out on is shield recharge rate. But trust me - I've been testing a 6/6/4/6/4 build and the base recharge rate is still pretty good.

without the matrix... no base shield recharge rate is good...

I hate to say this... but I am going to stop responding to you because you are either mentally deficient or lying a lot...

I used to think you were a pretty reasonable poster, but now you're saying stuff that is straight up false and then accusing me of being stupid or lying when I point out the truth.

Observe:




Four evos in fitness, 1012 shields. And also: Snap Freeze is the second power. So it's 6/6/4/6/4. No need to skip any debuffs whatsoever. Do I need to make a video of staggering shielded mooks with Snap Freeze, too? I can and will if you want.

okay

[TuringPoint]

I've done some thinking.  I think that reducing the duration sucks, and limits the effectiveness of the ability for anything except a medigel alternative.  I have a better idea for how to nerf matrix. 

What would be more ideal is if it required the use of your actual medi-gel in reserve to self revive. It's a start.  Or give it a long cooldown instead, so you can't activate it immediately after getting downed once.

Compare this to biotic orbs/recon mine.  You activate it initially, like either of those powers (in this hypothetical 'fix') securing a revive the next time you go down.   When you do go down the cooldown starts, like either of biotic orbs/recon mine.  

Modifié par Alocormin, 01 mars 2013 - 05:40 .

[HoochieHamiltoe]

Original Stikman wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

lightswitch wrote...


And you don't need to max fitness to have over 1000 shields,

you do.... unless you use gear for it... which... isn't smart

and no, you don't have to gimp her in any meaningful kind of way to get it.

your 66464 misses out on the cryo debuff.... so whats the point of it even speccing into it? it won't stagger armored enmies

 you only need four evos in Repair Matrix in order to get all the speed, DR, 

you do...

The only thing you're missing out on is shield recharge rate. But trust me - I've been testing a 6/6/4/6/4 build and the base recharge rate is still pretty good.

without the matrix... no base shield recharge rate is good...

I hate to say this... but I am going to stop responding to you because you are either mentally deficient or lying a lot...

I used to think you were a pretty reasonable poster, but now you're saying stuff that is straight up false and then accusing me of being stupid or lying when I point out the truth.

Observe:




Four evos in fitness, 1012 shields. And also: Snap Freeze is the second power. So it's 6/6/4/6/4. No need to skip any debuffs whatsoever. Do I need to make a video of staggering shielded mooks with Snap Freeze, too? I can and will if you want.

okay

Who looks like the dumb one now?

[TuringPoint]

For comparison, the collector adept has the same starting health and shields - where he can increase his by 65 percent via fitness, EDIbot can only do 55 total, max.  I can imagine her shield regen rate might be ridiculous, with fitness at max and matrix turned on.

I think bioware did a fairly good job balancing her; so if there's going to be cause for nerfing her, there has to be something more substantial than what people have come up with so far.

Most infiltrators get a stagger ability of some sort, many have an ability that increases weapon damage/weaknes armor etc in compliment to their snipery/TC stuff.  Proxy mines, energy drain, the vanilla cryo ability, grenades, etc.
All except cryo have significant crowd control stagger ability.  All of these abilities can be used at great range, or up close.  

As for TC with shotgun boost being overpowered? no more than with sniper rifles or AR's, with the possible exception of when EDIbot uses the reegar.

Modifié par Alocormin, 01 mars 2013 - 05:42 .

[Original Twigman]

HoochieHamiltoe wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

lightswitch wrote...


And you don't need to max fitness to have over 1000 shields,

you do.... unless you use gear for it... which... isn't smart

and no, you don't have to gimp her in any meaningful kind of way to get it.

your 66464 misses out on the cryo debuff.... so whats the point of it even speccing into it? it won't stagger armored enmies

 you only need four evos in Repair Matrix in order to get all the speed, DR, 

you do...

The only thing you're missing out on is shield recharge rate. But trust me - I've been testing a 6/6/4/6/4 build and the base recharge rate is still pretty good.

without the matrix... no base shield recharge rate is good...

I hate to say this... but I am going to stop responding to you because you are either mentally deficient or lying a lot...

I used to think you were a pretty reasonable poster, but now you're saying stuff that is straight up false and then accusing me of being stupid or lying when I point out the truth.

Observe:




Four evos in fitness, 1012 shields. And also: Snap Freeze is the second power. So it's 6/6/4/6/4. No need to skip any debuffs whatsoever. Do I need to make a video of staggering shielded mooks with Snap Freeze, too? I can and will if you want.

okay

Who looks like the dumb one now?

Really? Why bring that negativity?

I was wrong, i can admit it. But even if someone else was wrong i wouldn't rub their noses in it. Just comes across real douchey when people do.

[Original Twigman]

Alocormin wrote...

I've done some thinking.  I think that reducing the duration sucks, and limits the effectiveness of the ability for anything except a medigel alternative.  I have a better idea for how to nerf matrix. 

What would be more ideal is if it required the use of your actual medi-gel in reserve to self revive. It's a start.  Or give it a long cooldown instead, so you can't activate it immediately after getting downed once.

Compare this to biotic orbs/recon mine.  You activate it initially, like either of those powers (in this hypothetical 'fix') securing a revive the next time you go down.   When you do go down the cooldown starts, like either of biotic orbs/recon mine.  

i dont know if they can do that with a balance change, though

[Original Twigman]

@lightswitch, my bad, i was wrong about those figures.

Although i think its minute in the greater scheme of things, i was incorrect

[lightswitch]

Original Stikman wrote...

Really? Why bring that negativity?

I was wrong, i can admit it. But even if someone else was wrong i wouldn't rub their noses in it. Just comes across real douchey when people do.

Yeah, let's just let it go. We're just talking about a game.

[RedJohn]

To do major changes BioWare would need patch, and that's unlikely.

So in my opinion they will just nerf the damage reduction given plus duration ( maybe in 75% ) and the speedbonus, oh yeah, the speedbonus.

[Original Twigman]

Heri wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

@lightswitch, my bad, i was wrong about those figures.

Although i think its minute in the greater scheme of things, i was incorrect

You've been incorrect about pretty much everything on this thread, and are stubbornly pushing a viewpoint contrary to what common sense tells the rest of us.

according to you. I think i have made some good points.

i have said again and again, we won't know how OP this kit is until we ssee how many lobbies are filled with this kit. I listed reasons in the OP why we won't be seeing the masses using her over others

so.... again with the hyperbole

[Original Twigman]

lightswitch wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

Really? Why bring that negativity?

I was wrong, i can admit it. But even if someone else was wrong i wouldn't rub their noses in it. Just comes across real douchey when people do.

Yeah, let's just let it go. We're just talking about a game.

*shakes hands*

[krknight]

RedJohn wrote...

To do major changes BioWare would need patch, and that's unlikely.

So in my opinion they will just nerf the damage reduction given plus duration ( maybe in 75% ) and the speedbonus, oh yeah, the speedbonus.

i think a final patch is possible.  this was a big enough dlc release that enough bugs and what not from it will require one.  my game froze yesterday when i summoned swarm, hit the ammo box, both as the extraction round began.

[Original Twigman]

RedJohn wrote...

To do major changes BioWare would need patch, and that's unlikely.

So in my opinion they will just nerf the damage reduction given plus duration ( maybe in 75% ) and the speedbonus, oh yeah, the speedbonus.

all of those would be overkill if they were heavy

[krknight]

Original Stikman wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

To do major changes BioWare would need patch, and that's unlikely.

So in my opinion they will just nerf the damage reduction given plus duration ( maybe in 75% ) and the speedbonus, oh yeah, the speedbonus.

all of those would be overkill if they were heavy

i think she'd still be top 5.

[cowwy]

Original Stikman wrote...

Heri wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

@lightswitch, my bad, i was wrong about those figures.

Although i think its minute in the greater scheme of things, i was incorrect

You've been incorrect about pretty much everything on this thread, and are stubbornly pushing a viewpoint contrary to what common sense tells the rest of us.

according to you. I think i have made some good points.

i have said again and again, we won't know how OP this kit is until we ssee how many lobbies are filled with this kit. I listed reasons in the OP why we won't be seeing the masses using her over others

so.... again with the hyperbole

OP =/= overused.

[N7 ElusiveOne]

cowwy wrote...

OP =/= overused.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't kit nerfs due to overuse? I remember a dev saying something along those lines when the Demo was nerfed. Something about her being picked over other Engineers. Speaking of which, when was the last time you saw a Demo? I haven't seen one since that nerf, but I don't think it was that drastic.

[Original Twigman]

cowwy wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

Heri wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

@lightswitch, my bad, i was wrong about those figures.

Although i think its minute in the greater scheme of things, i was incorrect

You've been incorrect about pretty much everything on this thread, and are stubbornly pushing a viewpoint contrary to what common sense tells the rest of us.

according to you. I think i have made some good points.

i have said again and again, we won't know how OP this kit is until we ssee how many lobbies are filled with this kit. I listed reasons in the OP why we won't be seeing the masses using her over others

so.... again with the hyperbole

OP =/= overused.

according to your definition

my definition

OP = An kit/loudout/weapon in the game that creates an inbalance, so that the kit/loadout/weapons are chosen over all other options at a consistently higher percentage..

like the krysae

ex. Rio/Gold.... when players consistently choose to play a particular map/combo and use a particular strategy at the expense of all others... its a problem....

Modifié par Original Stikman, 01 mars 2013 - 07:15 .

[Original Twigman]

krknight wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

To do major changes BioWare would need patch, and that's unlikely.

So in my opinion they will just nerf the damage reduction given plus duration ( maybe in 75% ) and the speedbonus, oh yeah, the speedbonus.

all of those would be overkill if they were heavy

i think she'd still be top 5.

shes barely top five now...