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[o Ventus]

Note: this is not a "who is better" thread. Leave that out.

Knowing that Jack and Miranda are the only ME2 characters whose romances weren't completely shattered, who do you guys think had the worse treatment, in terms of romance? Not only in terms of quantity, but also quality (dialogue, "feels", et cetera).

I guess while we're at it, what are some hopes/speculations you may have for their respective romances in the new DLC?

Modifié par o Ventus, 28 février 2013 - 01:06 .

[Zazzerka]

Jack had different content, but a lot less of it. Miranda had more content, but it was rehashed from ME2.

Rock and a hard place. I would probably say Jack was worse off, citing the platonic "romance" scene as my evidence.

[crimzontearz]

o Ventus wrote...

Note: this is not a "who is better" thread. Leave that out.

Knowing that Jack and Miranda are the only ME2 characters whose romances weren't completely shattered, who do you guys think had the worse treatment, in terms of romance? Not only in terms of quantity, but also quality (dialogue, "feels", et cetera).

jack was better handled really....more what you would expect between people torn by a war but still fighting to be together

[MattFini]

Yeah, as much as Jack is underused and her romance leaves a lot to be desired, I was really disappointed with Miranda's role in ME3.

Not only do I maintain that Miranda should've been in the full-time squad throughout the game, but her storyline felt like a giant step back for the character.

At least Jack had a more forward progression.

I think both characters are top five where the trilogy is concerned, however, and I really hope Citadel does them both right.

[xAmilli0n]

Jack easily got the worst of it. Romance lock in = dance. Goodbye = We'll bang okay? And that literally is the whole romance in ME3.

Miranda's was actually quite good in my opinion, very subtle. It was just lacking a bit in content.

[SNascimento]

The problem with Miranda is how much she should have been, and how little she was.

[spirosz]

Jack for me personally, emotional aspect is lacking for my personal taste and it felt too physical, not that there is anything wrong with that from Jack, it's Jack, but it didn't unfold the way I envisioned and more importantly, how the relationship represented itself in my perspective.  Especially since I did not see the paragon romance as a "fix" or how people like to argue - she takes the "d", so she is magically fixed, no -  that scene did not invovle any sex, that would of felt wrong, way too wrong - plus, it's only been what, six months after ME2?  That's not a lot of time to get comfortable, in terms of what Jack has been through, you know what I mean? 


At least it wasn't rehashed content, like Miranda... as others have stated, ouch.

I don't know, tbh - both weren't really meaningful for me.

Modifié par spirosz, 28 février 2013 - 01:16 .

[crimzontearz]

MattFini wrote...

Yeah, as much as Jack is underused and her romance leaves a lot to be desired, I was really disappointed with Miranda's role in ME3.

Not only do I maintain that Miranda should've been in the full-time squad throughout the game, but her storyline felt like a giant step back for the character.

At least Jack had a more forward progression.

I think both characters are top five where the trilogy is concerned, however, and I really hope Citadel does them both right.

Bioware lacks the quad to stand by the premise of their own game so......

[almondroy]

If Miranda's ME3 arc had nothing to do with her sister and was totally focused on tracking down her father and his connection to TIM/Sanctuary, her content would have been perfect in my opinion.

I can't vouch for Jack's as she never seems to make it off the Collector base in my ME2 playthroughs.

[Shaleist]

almondroy wrote...

If Miranda's ME3 arc had nothing to do with her sister and was totally focused on tracking down her father and his connection to TIM/Sanctuary, her content would have been perfect in my opinion.

I can't vouch for Jack's as she never seems to make it off the Collector base in my ME2 playthroughs.

Someone send this man some platinum for new armor plating ASAP.

[adam32867]

miranda, she didnt seem like miranda and had an awfull reason for not joining on. also like others have said content rehash.

[David7204]

The comments about 'content rehash' would be easier for me to respect if pretty much every story-content idea I saw on the BSN wasn't some guilty of the same thing. Including ideas about Miranda. For example, Miranda taking over Cerberus. Gee, where have we seen something like that before? Or Miranda being the upteenth person to pout about how evil Cerberus is. And of course, when players suggest it, why, it's just the best idea ever.

I think Jack becoming a teacher was brilliant. It would be awful nice to see a few more ideas like that.

Modifié par David7204, 28 février 2013 - 01:22 .

[spirosz]

David.

Miranda in ME2 "I need to protect my sister"

Miranda in ME3 "I need to protect my sister"

Also, this is about da romance.

[almondroy]

Shaleist wrote...

Someone send this man some platinum for new armor plating ASAP.

Got that covered; Jack in my game tends to do a very bad impression of Garrus eating rockets, because I never manage to get the biotic catfight sorted out in a way that keeps everyone's loyalty.

[DeinonSlayer]

David7204 wrote...

I think Jack becoming a teacher was brilliant. It would be awful nice to see a few more ideas like that.

If she was romanced, maybe. She doesn't seem emotionally stable enough to even warrant the barest consideration for that position in any other outcome. PARTICULARLY if you coaxed her into murdering Aresh on her loyalty mission.



"You're a killer, Jack. That's what you do."

[xAmilli0n]

David7204 wrote...

I think Jack becoming a teacher was brilliant.

Totally agree.

[fainmaca]

Both got screwed over in the matter of sheer amount of conent. As for what little they got, I'd have a hard time saying which one was worse off.

I feel like Jack's content (even non-romance) was too much of an attempt to 'fix' a character that didn't need fixing, then upping the physicality and the sexualisation to levels that fans who had followed the character from ME2 didn't value. The fact that her fanbase had increased dramatically becuase she now has hair and looks a lot more conventionally attractive shores up my belief that she got increased common appeal over material that was true to her character.

On the other hand, Miranda's stuff was a lot more in keeping with who she was, but it essentially just retreads ground covered in ME2. For a character who could only die in ME2 with careful planning, she should have had a better, more story critical plot than that.

In the end, I'd say that Jack is worse off, post ME3. There may be bias there because I'm a Jackolyte, but I feel that as a fan of the character she wasn't dealt with with the due care and attention her complexity needed.

[fainmaca]

MattFini wrote...
At least Jack had a more forward progression.

See, here is where I think I often find myself at odds with others on this board. I don't think Jack's character progressed forward with her new content in ME3. Rather, to me it feels more like it moved sideways, into a new place that wasn't an improvement over where she was at the end of ME2 (ESPECIALLY with a paramance). It wasn't a regression of her character, either, but it felt to me as though it didn't belong.

[o Ventus]

David7204 wrote...

The comments about 'content rehash' would be easier for me to respect if pretty much every story-content idea I saw on the BSN wasn't some guilty of the same thing. Including ideas about Miranda. For example, Miranda taking over Cerberus. Gee, where have we seen something like that before? Or Miranda being the upteenth person to pout about how evil Cerberus is. And of course, when players suggest it, why, it's just the best idea ever.

I think Jack becoming a teacher was brilliant. It would be awful nice to see a few more ideas like that.

If you're going to bother posting, the very least you could do is focus on the topic.

While we're drifting away, literally nothing you mentioned is rehashed content.

[MACharlie1]

fainmaca wrote...

MattFini wrote...
At least Jack had a more forward progression.

See, here is where I think I often find myself at odds with others on this board. I don't think Jack's character progressed forward with her new content in ME3. Rather, to me it feels more like it moved sideways, into a new place that wasn't an improvement over where she was at the end of ME2 (ESPECIALLY with a paramance). It wasn't a regression of her character, either, but it felt to me as though it didn't belong.

Her position (Purgatory inmate on the run) was the same as being an instructor in a widely known and respected military school? 

[d-boy15]

Miranda got worst treatment on her plot and potential to the story (ex-second in command and
one of TIM most trusted officer, think about it). Her romance is ok, she got better treatment than
other ME2 new romances.

Jack content is feel out of her character a little but it's fun and acceptable, while her plot in game
is fresh and her re-design is awesome, her romance is short and not much of contents.

Modifié par d-boy15, 28 février 2013 - 01:35 .

[David7204]

Is that right? Miranda taking over Cerberus isn't rehashed content? That doesn't sound like anything encountered in the series before?

[WarGriffin]

I still can't wrap my head around how Miranda wasn't a perm Squadmate in ME3 since Cerberus is for the most part the person you fight the most.

She is harder to kill then even Garrus and Tali so you can't use the SHE COULD BE DEAD! and Hell She was one of the more popular ME2 characters.


then again ME3 is written very clearly with a specific outcome in mind, and a Specific Shepard -A Paragon, Allaince Supportive Shepard- and will Say to hell with the various outcomes X happened.


Hence Why Jack reforms into a teacher even if you whip her bloodlust,

Modifié par WarGriffin, 28 février 2013 - 01:43 .

[fainmaca]

MACharlie1 wrote...
Her position (Purgatory inmate on the run) was the same as being an instructor in a widely known and respected military school? 

Please bear in mind the difference in what benefits the character as a character, and what benefits them as a person. I feel that forcing the change on her from one to the other held no benefits to her as a character, and the inconsistency with the context of who she is actually damages the character.

Not to mention that its pretty hard to believe a person would be permitted to go from the former to the latter in the space of a couple of months.

[kalasaurus]

xAmilli0n wrote...

Jack easily got the worst of it. Romance lock in = dance. Goodbye = We'll bang okay? And that literally is the whole romance in ME3.

Miranda's was actually quite good in my opinion, very subtle. It was just lacking a bit in content.

I agree.  Jack had few makeout sessions, a dance, and a promise for sex later.  I liked Jack's transformation, but her romance didn't really seem to go anywhere after the dance.

Miranda's was handled pretty well for a non-squadmate. They keep in touch while both doing their own thing.