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[spirosz]

Did Jack have the same writer as ME2?

[hot_heart]

No, she was handed to Patrick Weekes, who was not particularly fond of the character in ME2.

[SlottsMachine]

hot_heart wrote...

No, she was handed to Patrick Weekes, who was not particularly fond of the character in ME2.

I'm kinda surprised spiros doesn't know this. Haha

[Demoiselle]

I was kind of expecting a Jack who wasn't stable enough to be a TEACHER if she killed Aresh.

I don't think it would have been good to have Miranda as a full squaddie because she was such a love or hate her character. Well not a compulsory one like Garrus or Liara anyways. Can't deny Miri lovers their girl as long as I get the chance not to have her.

[spirosz]

General Slotts wrote...

hot_heart wrote...

No, she was handed to Patrick Weekes, who was not particularly fond of the character in ME2.

I'm kinda surprised spiros doesn't know this. Haha

I don't keep track of writers, lol.  

I guess Weekes doesn't give a jack about Jack.  

I kid, but seriously.

[hot_heart]

He's a good writer (he wrote Mordin!), it's just that not everyone is for...everyone. Plus, each writer will have been bound by the overall writing/narrative direction that was decided at an earlier stage (i.e. he's not entirely responsible for Jack's change in character).

[spirosz]

And yet, he couldn't write some of her emotional aspects that were involved in her relationship with Shepard? Do I blame him or do I blame priority budget and resources that involve Diana Allers?

[Konfined]

spirosz wrote...

And yet, he couldn't write some of her emotional aspects that were involved in her relationship with Shepard? Do I blame him or do I blame priority budget and resources that involve Diana Allers?

You do what everybody else does: you blame IT.

[o Ventus]

Demoiselle wrote...

I was kind of expecting a Jack who wasn't stable enough to be a TEACHER if she killed Aresh.

I don't think it would have been good to have Miranda as a full squaddie because she was such a love or hate her character.Well not a compulsory one like Garrus or Liara anyways. Can't deny Miri lovers their girl as long as I get the chance not to have her.

While I disagree with the bolded (because character opinion should have no bearing on their inclusion as a squadmate), I can see your point. Just give Miranda something similar to the VS. option 1, they join Shepard. Option 2, they to with Hackett.

Still though, you cannot deny her squad potential, given her past with Cerberus, and with Cerberus all but stealing the spotlight from the Reapers.

[spirosz]

Konfined wrote...

spirosz wrote...

And yet, he couldn't write some of her emotional aspects that were involved in her relationship with Shepard? Do I blame him or do I blame priority budget and resources that involve Diana Allers?

You do what everybody else does: you blame IT.

Konfined pls.

[spirosz]

Personally Venus, I don't believe Jack or Miranda needed squadmate status. They both had important roles to fill, especially Miranda - we've been over the Cerberus ideas and what she represents and not just Cerberus, but humanity. She's an equal to Shepard, in regards to getting things done and superior in other aspects, IMO. So I thought she could of delivered way more meaningful content off-screen, compared to getting Liara Shadow Broker treatment, which was horrible.

[Konfined]

spirosz wrote...

Konfined wrote...

spirosz wrote...

And yet, he couldn't write some of her emotional aspects that were involved in her relationship with Shepard? Do I blame him or do I blame priority budget and resources that involve Diana Allers?

You do what everybody else does: you blame IT.

Konfined pls.

I'm sorry, but you set it up so nicely.  I could not in good conscious let that opportunity pass, and yet still have the nerve to call myself a man.

Modifié par Konfined, 01 mars 2013 - 12:35 .

[o Ventus]

spirosz wrote...

Personally Venus, I don't believe Jack or Miranda needed squadmate status. They both had important roles to fill, especially Miranda - we've been over the Cerberus ideas and what she represents and not just Cerberus, but humanity. She's an equal to Shepard, in regards to getting things done and superior in other aspects, IMO. So I thought she could of delivered way more meaningful content off-screen, compared to getting Liara Shadow Broker treatment, which was horrible.

Can't really say Miranda had a role to fulfill at all, considering her current presentation is a xerox copy of her arc in ME2.

What could she possibly do offscreen that couldn't be done to greater effect (by virtue of the player being present) beside Shepard?

Admittedly, Miranda doing cool things offscreen (any character, for that matter) is fundamentally identical to Liara's situation.

Modifié par o Ventus, 01 mars 2013 - 12:38 .

[spirosz]

Establishing something similar to Cerberus wouldn't sound ideal?

Don't know if that's realistic though, in a six month span... haha.

Modifié par spirosz, 01 mars 2013 - 12:39 .

[o Ventus]

spirosz wrote...

Establishing something similar to Cerberus wouldn't sound ideal?

Don't know if that's realistic though, in a six month span... haha.

If by "six month span", you're referring to the gap between ME2 and 3, what does this have to do with squad potential?

[spirosz]

o Ventus wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Establishing something similar to Cerberus wouldn't sound ideal?

Don't know if that's realistic though, in a six month span... haha.

If by "six month span", you're referring to the gap between ME2 and 3, what does this have to do with squad potential?

I referring to Miranda being able to achieve an organization that would rival Cerberus.  

[o Ventus]

spirosz wrote...

I referring to Miranda being able to achieve an organization that would rival Cerberus.  

Yeah, no. Not in the 6 months between games. Cerberus has been around for more than 20 years.

I headcanon that she (and Shepard) does eventually start a new organization in the vein of Cerberus though (but minus the whole "rounding up civilians and indoctrinating them" and "jamming Reaper the into our troops" angle).

Modifié par o Ventus, 01 mars 2013 - 01:01 .

[spirosz]

Yeah, that's what I thought. That would be interesting to witness.

[Ykulnu]

spirosz wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Establishing something similar to Cerberus wouldn't sound ideal?

Don't know if that's realistic though, in a six month span... haha.

If by "six month span", you're referring to the gap between ME2 and 3, what does this have to do with squad potential?

I referring to Miranda being able to achieve an organization that would rival Cerberus.  

Considering how much **** Cerberus was wrecking in ME3, I'm surprised the Alliance didn't bring her on board as a consultant/expert. Hell, they have Cerberus staff working on the CRUCIBLE, might as well have the former second in command help with something. I feel like Sanctuary would have been shut down MUCH earlier if Miranda had Alliance resources from the start of her investigation.

If a programmable Cerberus AI (EDI) can be accepted for Alliance duty, so can Miri.

Modifié par Ykulnu, 01 mars 2013 - 01:37 .

[NeonFlux117]

Jack had it worse. But not by much. Damn the writers for ME3 hated ME2.

[Skullheart]

Miranda got a noob unexperienced writer. Jack got a skillfull and experiencied writer.

That might be the reason why the tiny content of Jack is far better than whatever Miranda got. Yet, both of them were screwed by supermac attittude of "screw the me2 characters, my waifu is more important."

[MattFini]

As much as I love Jack, I have to admit that Miranda is the one that should've been a squadmate in ME3.

Her story in the game is horrible and it was a pretty big disservice to her.

And, you know, it just would've been nice to let ONE person introduced in ME2 be a squadmate in ME3.

[Milotic12]

I actually can't call it as to who got the worst content.

Both characters were however (in my opinion) the strongest of the ME2 bunch and would have provided a fantastic dynamic to the squad had they been included in ME3.

Taking my Miranda love aside I was surprised she wasn't included more in the overall plot of the game. She was hard to kill in the suicide mission, linked the most to Cerberus and was an alternative Sentinel if Kaidan died back in ME1. Jack must have been considered at some point to join the squad... shes the only one who got a redesign!

All in all both should have been included more.

[FlyinElk212]

I do hope for the sake of fairness, Miranda & Jack get more content than the other LIs in this DLC.

[Skullheart]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

I do hope for the sake of fairness, Miranda & Jack get more content than the other LIs in this DLC.

Won't happen. supermac was involved in the dlc.