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[VirtualAlex]

templarphoenix wrote...

VirtualAlex wrote...
Wow nobody cares? I spent alot of time on this!

All of my char spec full fitness into health and shield.

Interesting choice of quote... I hope my analysis provided you with some insight into how big of a mistake you are making. Unless of course every class has a skill you detest and skip.

[Deerber]

VirtualAlex wrote...

Deerber wrote...
Plus, even if 0.45 secs on 3 seconds do not seem so much... How about 0.45 seconds on less than 1.5 seconds? That is a huge difference, almost 33%.

The number .45s is 15% of 3 seconds. It would no longer be .45 seconds less from 1.5 seconds because 15% of 1.5 is less. Unless you are saying after you already get it down to 1.5 seconds. I don't think it's fair to consider the value of this evolution in combination with multiple other factors. Because you are forced to consider what you are giving up. In this case wearing 3 recharge consumables, you are giving up grenade capacity and or other valueable consumables.

I am strictly talking about points spent vs reward gained. 15% recharge speed has not been noticable to me after my 200+ games of MP or whatever.

Look. I'm only trying to make you understand that in some cases, and on some characters, it's a great evolution and shield recharge rate is an awesome thing. You wanna listen, you do and try it out by yourself; you don't want, you don't. We're all just here to share experience and thoughts, but I honestly don't care if others agree.

[Shampoohorn]

VirtualAlex wrote...

Deerber wrote...
Plus, even if 0.45 secs on 3 seconds do not seem so much... How about 0.45 seconds on less than 1.5 seconds? That is a huge difference, almost 33%.

The number .45s is 15% of 3 seconds. It would no longer be .45 seconds less from 1.5 seconds because 15% of 1.5 is less. Unless you are saying after you already get it down to 1.5 seconds. I don't think it's fair to consider the value of this evolution in combination with multiple other factors. Because you are forced to consider what you are giving up. In this case wearing 3 recharge consumables, you are giving up grenade capacity and or other valueable consumables.

I am strictly talking about points spent vs reward gained. 15% recharge speed has not been noticable to me after my 200+ games of MP or whatever.

This is incorrect.  Unlike the power cooldown calculation, all shield recharge bonuses are relative to the the base recharge delay and are subtracted from that number.  If you get 100% total bonuses, your shields will recharge instantly.  The narida tool does this calculation correctly.


edit:  Best case justicar. 

Note that the base delay is lower if you have not been gated, so the above justicar will restore minor barrier damage almost instantly.

Modifié par Shampoohorn, 28 février 2013 - 08:07 .

[kipac]

Too many badasses ignoring fitness in this thread.
It's suffocating...!

[Shampoohorn]

kipac wrote...

Too many badasses ignoring fitness in this thread.
It's suffocating...!

Nice post.

[templarphoenix]

VirtualAlex wrote...

templarphoenix wrote...

VirtualAlex wrote...
Wow nobody cares? I spent alot of time on this!

All of my char spec full fitness into health and shield.

Interesting choice of quote... I hope my analysis provided you with some insight into how big of a mistake you are making. Unless of course every class has a skill you detest and skip.

Because I go PUG mostly, and PUG do lags.

[VirtualAlex]

Updated OP with link to my blog post in relation to this. I have done more research and drawn better conclusions: http://agreeordie.co...ophy-of-fitness

[ZiRK]

Damn, this is good stuff, I usually max out certain characters 3 skill, and fitness, and use consumables to make up for the passive losses.

[VirtualAlex]

I didn't take consumables into account much but if you plan on using lots of shields increasing consumables, it would make sense to max fitness. But then, why don't you just do that on the tanks?

[Tyrannus00]

Vanguards need their shields. When your taking fire from five targets at one time, ever little bit counts.

[VirtualAlex]

Tyrannus00 wrote...

Vanguards need their shields. When your taking fire from five targets at one time, ever little bit counts.

Yeah... I have not made up my mind about it, I think it's very vanguard specific. For example the human vanguard can abuse invincability frames with nova while cooling down his charge so I think you can skip some fitness on him and go with 5/3 shockwave. Also vanguard have almost no use for the rank 5 shield recharge because they can recharge shields at will.

For a long time I played my Drell Vanguard with 0 fitness because I thought it didn't matter and I actually did fine with him.

I am on the fence about it.

[Deerber]

VirtualAlex wrote...

For a long time I played my Drell Vanguard with 0 fitness because I thought it didn't matter and I actually did fine with him.

I am on the fence about it.

While you are generally right about the usefuleness of the skill, in my opinion, you might want to think twice and even three times about skipping it on a Drell. Cause you're also giving up 20% juicy movement speed... :innocent:

[BlackDahlia424]

Deerber wrote...

VirtualAlex wrote...

For a long time I played my Drell Vanguard with 0 fitness because I thought it didn't matter and I actually did fine with him.

I am on the fence about it.

While you are generally right about the usefuleness of the skill, in my opinion, you might want to think twice and even three times about skipping it on a Drell. Cause you're also giving up 20% juicy movement speed... :innocent:

20% more movement speed or the single worst power in the entire game.

Hmmmm... decisions, decisions.

[Deerber]

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

Deerber wrote...

VirtualAlex wrote...

For a long time I played my Drell Vanguard with 0 fitness because I thought it didn't matter and I actually did fine with him.

I am on the fence about it.

While you are generally right about the usefuleness of the skill, in my opinion, you might want to think twice and even three times about skipping it on a Drell. Cause you're also giving up 20% juicy movement speed... :innocent:

20% more movement speed or the single worst power in the entire game.

Hmmmm... decisions, decisions.

Oh c'mon, it's not the worst power in the game. There are worse ones, such as... Well...

No okay you're right, it's the worst power in the game 

[VirtualAlex]

Yeah I agree the movespeed is very strong. I am just saying that it played fine without it also.

Also my site is down... I am working on it. Obviously it would go down the SECOND I posted this.

Modifié par VirtualAlex, 03 mars 2013 - 10:42 .

[J4mes]

If you do go Pull on the Drell Adept, go 4A/5A/6A so you can basically insta kill any trooper who is on their HP Bar. Drell's have the strongest Damaging Pull. The Asari Justicar falls short even with the decreased Duration. However, she has the strongest Reave in the game when going 4B/5A/6B.

[RoundedPlanet88]

Deerber wrote...

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

Deerber wrote...

VirtualAlex wrote...

For a long time I played my Drell Vanguard with 0 fitness because I thought it didn't matter and I actually did fine with him.

I am on the fence about it.

While you are generally right about the usefuleness of the skill, in my opinion, you might want to think twice and even three times about skipping it on a Drell. Cause you're also giving up 20% juicy movement speed... :innocent:

20% more movement speed or the single worst power in the entire game.

Hmmmm... decisions, decisions.

Oh c'mon, it's not the worst power in the game. There are worse ones, such as... Well...

No okay you're right, it's the worst power in the game 

Subnet based upon really finicky tracking maybe?

[UnknownMercenary]

RoundedPlanet88 wrote...

Deerber wrote...

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

Deerber wrote...

VirtualAlex wrote...

For a long time I played my Drell Vanguard with 0 fitness because I thought it didn't matter and I actually did fine with him.

I am on the fence about it.

While you are generally right about the usefuleness of the skill, in my opinion, you might want to think twice and even three times about skipping it on a Drell. Cause you're also giving up 20% juicy movement speed... :innocent:

20% more movement speed or the single worst power in the entire game.

Hmmmm... decisions, decisions.

Oh c'mon, it's not the worst power in the game. There are worse ones, such as... Well...

No okay you're right, it's the worst power in the game 

Subnet based upon really finicky tracking maybe?

Yeah, at least Pull hits its targets once defenses are stripped.

Subnet requires extreme luck/lag or for targets to be standing completely still... to be captured and remain standing completely still.

Modifié par UnknownMercenary, 03 mars 2013 - 10:59 .

[stysiaq]

Deerber wrote...

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

Deerber wrote...

VirtualAlex wrote...

For a long time I played my Drell Vanguard with 0 fitness because I thought it didn't matter and I actually did fine with him.

I am on the fence about it.

While you are generally right about the usefuleness of the skill, in my opinion, you might want to think twice and even three times about skipping it on a Drell. Cause you're also giving up 20% juicy movement speed... :innocent:

20% more movement speed or the single worst power in the entire game.

Hmmmm... decisions, decisions.

Oh c'mon, it's not the worst power in the game. There are worse ones, such as... Well...

No okay you're right, it's the worst power in the game 

A true Biotic God Pulls, but never Slashes.

[Deerber]

stysiaq wrote...

Deerber wrote...

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

Deerber wrote...

VirtualAlex wrote...

For a long time I played my Drell Vanguard with 0 fitness because I thought it didn't matter and I actually did fine with him.

I am on the fence about it.

While you are generally right about the usefuleness of the skill, in my opinion, you might want to think twice and even three times about skipping it on a Drell. Cause you're also giving up 20% juicy movement speed... :innocent:

20% more movement speed or the single worst power in the entire game.

Hmmmm... decisions, decisions.

Oh c'mon, it's not the worst power in the game. There are worse ones, such as... Well...

No okay you're right, it's the worst power in the game 

A true Biotic God Pulls, but never Slashes.

Haha sometimes I pull. Worst power in the game, but it's still got its uses. Slash? No way! 

Got the banner easily anyway, not that poison strike and dark sphere have been added.

Modifié par Deerber, 03 mars 2013 - 11:13 .

[UnknownMercenary]

stysiaq wrote...

A true Biotic God Pulls, but never Slashes.

[RoundedPlanet88]

UnknownMercenary wrote...

stysiaq wrote...

A true Biotic God Pulls, but never Slashes.

That's not a gesture of peace Stysiaq, he`s really phase-disrupting you for a tech burst

[Deerber]

RoundedPlanet88 wrote...

UnknownMercenary wrote...

stysiaq wrote...

A true Biotic God Pulls, but never Slashes.

That's not a gesture of peace Stysiaq, he`s really phase-disrupting you for a tech burst

I lol'd! 

[UnknownMercenary]

[VirtualAlex]

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