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[Indy_S]

David7204 wrote...

It doesn't matter where they hit them from...as long as the Reapers are in between the fleets and Earth, they can always easily reposition themselves to put Earth in the firing line.

Yeah, that was my thought on the matter at well. No matter what, a bullrush is required.

[Goneaviking]

Rip504 wrote...

Hackett did more for humanity then any other human alive,with the exception of Shepard of course.

Bah, Shepard is little more than Hackett's minion.

Sometimes he is also the The Illusive Man's minion, but he always returns to his true master eventually.

Modifié par Goneaviking, 28 février 2013 - 06:03 .

[111987]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Let's take a look at his tactics, shall we?

- Tries to attack an obviously surperior opponent head on with no strategy whatsoever.

- Instead of trying to find a way to defeat the Reapers, he chooses to throw his soldiers at the Reapers, a near certain death, to stall for a machine that no one knows how to operate.

- His grand plan in the end: Send ground forces running straight toward a Reaper and then retreat.

- Couldn't figure out a way to defeat the Luna V.I himself.

- Couldn't figure out a way to defeat simple terrorists himself.

- Sometimes he couldn't even figure out the existence of these terrorists. One of his soldiers had to hack into computers or accept information from criminals to figure it out.


...Somebody bribed his way into a job.

-The direct assault was done to divert enough attention away from the Crucible, to do enough damage to allow the Crucible to dock on the Citadel unharmed. Guerilla attacks wouldn't have done enough, and the Crucible would have been destroyed easily.

-He sends his troops to hold off Reaper forces to prevent them from taking key locations (such as ports, military bases, etc.). The Crucible is the only means of defeating the Reapers, so stalling for it is the only thing he can do. Anything else is doomed for failure. The Crucible offers the only chance of victory, slim as it may be.

-They tried to get there before Harbinger did, they were just late. And once Harbinger was there, a blitz was the only hope of getting through; hopefully there would be too many forces for Harbinger to deal with. After all, nothing was more important than getting onboard the Citadel.

-As for all these others, they're just excuses to give Shepard more sidequests.

[Indy_S]

111987 wrote...

-The direct assault was done to divert enough attention away from the Crucible, to do enough damage to allow the Crucible to dock on the Citadel unharmed. Guerilla attacks wouldn't have done enough, and the Crucible would have been destroyed easily.

That's something I don't quite get. They have to punch a hole to get the Crucible through. This seems like an impossible task. The Reapers always maintain the advantage in mobility and firepower so I'm not seeing this happen.

[Goneaviking]

Mr.House wrote...

Goneaviking wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

I still find it funny that sword fleet fights the Reapers....IN FRONT OF EARTH. You know how many shots missed a Reaper and impacted Earth? That's just horrible. You should have engaged at their sides so you are not hitting the planet you are supposed to be saving.

Not many if they're trusting their computers to work out firing solutions and maintaining the discipline expected of competent soldiers.

The Mass Effect 2 drill sergeant explains memorably why shooting from the hip isn't acceptable in a space battle.

Um watch the cutscene again. You cleary see shots missing Reapers and hitting Earth. This is not good.  This all could have been advoided if they used their dam brain.

Meh. Acceptable losses.

The objective was to get the Crucible to the Citadel safely, that meant getting to the Citadel as quickly as possible, even if the Reapers were too advanced for the fleet's computers to handle effectively or the crew were panicking blindly the alternative was total extermination of humanity (and other advanced species).

The fleet was always going to have to come at the Earth because of the Citadel's location. It was unavoidable, it was also unavoidable that the Reapers would take advantage of that.

Neither of those factors detract from Hackett's competence.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

SyK18 wrote...

I think the rushing to the beam was actually Anderson's call. Not 100% sure of this though.

Actually it was Major Coates' plan. Good old 1914 tactics.

[kavox]

No, no, NO! Admiral Kendal Ozzel was the worst admiral EVER!!!! Came out of hyperspace on the front lawn of the rebellion FACEPALM!

That being said, he was a victim of the plot ie; Reapers cannot be beaten conventially

[WarGriffin]

and that's saying something since the Reapers come off as even more Tactically incompent

[jkflipflopDAO]

The Reapers were lobotomized as well. They could have still hit the citadel out of nowhere and shut down the entire relay network. They hit the Earth without anyone knowing they were on the way and the citadel is just a couple hops over from our local system. The Reapers didn't even bother to leverage one of their greatest advantages in control of the relay network. Hard to get your fleets together when no one can travel outside of their home systems.

[daigakuinsei]

I'm not sure why so many people think Hackett should have tried anything different when the Reapers have successfully completed thousands of cycles, many of which were probably equally or more advanced than the current one. I bet they tried guerrilla and smart tactics too. No reason to prolong the inevitable, so you might give it one risky shot with the Crucible.

[Nicksta92]

I hate thinking about Mass Effect. It always ruins it for me lol.

[SyK18]

simfamSP wrote...

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

The Reapers were lobotomized as well. They could have still hit the citadel out of nowhere and shut down the entire relay network. They hit the Earth without anyone knowing they were on the way and the citadel is just a couple hops over from our local system. The Reapers didn't even bother to leverage one of their greatest advantages in control of the relay network. Hard to get your fleets together when no one can travel outside of their home systems.

BOOM

Game over.

How the **** does one write their way out of that? ME3's flaws are based on ME2's lack of focus. If ME2 dealt with these little things for preperation then perhaps we wouldn't have this problem.

That being said, ME2 is ****ing awesome.

I read the first part an I was like:huh:

And then i continued to read adn i was like^_^

[111987]

Indy_S wrote...

111987 wrote...

-The direct assault was done to divert enough attention away from the Crucible, to do enough damage to allow the Crucible to dock on the Citadel unharmed. Guerilla attacks wouldn't have done enough, and the Crucible would have been destroyed easily.

That's something I don't quite get. They have to punch a hole to get the Crucible through. This seems like an impossible task. The Reapers always maintain the advantage in mobility and firepower so I'm not seeing this happen.

Well, in low EMS endings they do severely damage the Crucible. it has that huge protective shell (and presumably shields). Not to mention a ton of dreadnaughts flanking it. Because 3-4 dreadnaughts can take out a Reaper, they can't just ignore the dreadnaughts. If the Reapers only focused on the Crucible, which they didn't know the details of when it was coming, they would suffer tremendous losses given the sheer amount of firepower levied against them.

[Ridwan]

Hackett's brilliant strategy!

[Indy_S]

111987 wrote...

Well, in low EMS endings they do severely damage the Crucible. it has that huge protective shell (and presumably shields). Not to mention a ton of dreadnaughts flanking it. Because 3-4 dreadnaughts can take out a Reaper, they can't just ignore the dreadnaughts. If the Reapers only focused on the Crucible, which they didn't know the details of when it was coming, they would suffer tremendous losses given the sheer amount of firepower levied against them.

They knew it was coming. They knew what it looked like. If this was a serious battle, I'd have had them bring reinforcements in through the relay the moment it arrived. And holding the corridor open isn't really the hard part, making any form of dent in their forces seems incredibly hard to believe. Particularly if they can't be beaten conventionally.

[Oransel]

Hackett can't comprehend idea of refitting the ships with state of the art weaponry and winning this war without Crucible. Yeah, worst, indeed.

[tevix]

To be fair, I only see hackett's dreadnaught flanking the crucible, the rest look like cruisers. In reality if the reapers really wanted it destroyed all they had to do was take like...5 sovereign class ships at the thing and yeah..game over.

[111987]

Indy_S wrote...

111987 wrote...

Well, in low EMS endings they do severely damage the Crucible. it has that huge protective shell (and presumably shields). Not to mention a ton of dreadnaughts flanking it. Because 3-4 dreadnaughts can take out a Reaper, they can't just ignore the dreadnaughts. If the Reapers only focused on the Crucible, which they didn't know the details of when it was coming, they would suffer tremendous losses given the sheer amount of firepower levied against them.

They knew it was coming. They knew what it looked like. If this was a serious battle, I'd have had them bring reinforcements in through the relay the moment it arrived. And holding the corridor open isn't really the hard part, making any form of dent in their forces seems incredibly hard to believe. Particularly if they can't be beaten conventionally.

They knew it was coming but not when. Thus they can't just dink around until it shows up; they have to engage. And the fleet is large enough to force the bulk of the Reapers to engage it.

They can't be beaten conventionally, but the sheer amount of ships could do a lot of damage. And considering the Reapers are all about preserving organics in the form of Reapers, there is no way they accept the extinction of that many races (that would result from the destruction of capital ships).

[David7204]

Oransel wrote...

Hackett can't comprehend idea of refitting the ships with state of the art weaponry and winning this war without Crucible. Yeah, worst, indeed.

That's stupid.

[Galbrant]

His brain was hack by the reapers... get it? hack by the Reapers! HACKett.

[shodiswe]

Let's take a look at his tactics, shall we?

- Tries to attack an obviously surperior opponent head on with no strategy whatsoever.

Why?: If they didn't do this there would have been noway to deliver the Crusible safely. People who don't like the crusible would say, **** the crusible, just send it in and set it to overload... might hurt a few Reaper occuli! We dont' want the galaxy to live anyway! Lets just go down with our honor in tact after a few decades of extra guerillawarfare until the last of us has been wiped out.

- Instead of trying to find a way to defeat the Reapers, he chooses to throw his soldiers at the Reapers, a near certain death, to stall for a machine that no one knows how to operate.

Why?: Desperation, it seemed like a better plan than anyone else in the galaxy could offer. They were all dead anyway, with a "miracle" some of them might actualy be able to regain their life by havng the reapers stopped before they kill everyone. But yes, it seems like an extreme longshot. But that's like the guy locked in with a live nuke that's on a countdown and has no idea how to stop it...
Do you want for your death or do you pull wires just before it goes off?

- His grand plan in the end: Send ground forces running straight toward a Reaper and then retreat.

Why?: It moved the reaper destroyer away from the beam whos electromagnetic interference was disrupting missile locks, it also lured the Destroyer out of the center of reapercontroled territory towards the misslie batteries waitign to fire. A valid strategy called a "Ruse" when desperate for an advantage it coudl get you an edge. This was probably Andersons plan however since Anderson was responsible for the groundtroops.

- Couldn't figure out a way to defeat the Luna V.I himself.

Why?:  But he did, he sent for a specialist! If Shepard hadn't done it then maybe Vega?


- Couldn't figure out a way to defeat simple terrorists himself.

Why?: Send in Specialists, that's what admirals and generals do.

- Sometimes he couldn't even figure out the existence of these terrorists. One of his soldiers had to hack into computers or accept information from criminals to figure it out.

Why?: Admirals and Generals rarely go on operations to uncover information directly from the source, they are dependant on their "troops" and specialist to get the job done as they manage the incomming information influs and try to make sense of it with his specialists and advisors at his disposal. An Admiral or General has to allocate the resources nessesary to accomplish longterm goals. Shepard is an asset, which admittedly the Council wants a piece of the action on.

...Somebody bribed his way into a job.

Why?:  Didn't sound like he started out rich or imporant or with conections, just a private or something, can't remember what it said, and worked his way up by getting results.

Modifié par shodiswe, 28 février 2013 - 08:04 .

[Indy_S]

111987 wrote...

They knew it was coming but not when. Thus they can't just dink around until it shows up; they have to engage. And the fleet is large enough to force the bulk of the Reapers to engage it.

They can't be beaten conventionally, but the sheer amount of ships could do a lot of damage. And considering the Reapers are all about preserving organics in the form of Reapers, there is no way they accept the extinction of that many races (that would result from the destruction of capital ships).

They don't have to know when. It's the Hail Mary, if it doesn't come at all, that's still a good thing. The Reapers know all about it.

Although, that could be manipulated by a use of tacitcs. The enemy is relying on a strong push to open a gap, simply feign a hole for them to call the Crucible. That's basically a way of summoning the Crucible on demand. And it doesn't matter if the trap seems too obvious, they have no way to avoid it.

[Cainhurst Crow]

What about rear admiral mikhailovich?

He tried to claim that the normandy's stealth systems sucked, shepard sucked, and that his crew, including wrex, sucks. All because he's butthurt that the normandy isn't under his command, but shepards.

Real professionalism right there.

[111987]

Indy_S wrote...

111987 wrote...

They knew it was coming but not when. Thus they can't just dink around until it shows up; they have to engage. And the fleet is large enough to force the bulk of the Reapers to engage it.

They can't be beaten conventionally, but the sheer amount of ships could do a lot of damage. And considering the Reapers are all about preserving organics in the form of Reapers, there is no way they accept the extinction of that many races (that would result from the destruction of capital ships).

They don't have to know when. It's the Hail Mary, if it doesn't come at all, that's still a good thing. The Reapers know all about it.

Although, that could be manipulated by a use of tacitcs. The enemy is relying on a strong push to open a gap, simply feign a hole for them to call the Crucible. That's basically a way of summoning the Crucible on demand. And it doesn't matter if the trap seems too obvious, they have no way to avoid it.

That wasn't my point at all. My point is that the size and firepower of the fleet means the Reapers have no choice but to fully engage. At that point, they'll be sufficiently distracted, allowing the Crucible to have a fighting chance at docking.