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[crimzontearz]

macrocarl wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Slappy Ya Face wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
lol really? Please do find these polls, the burden of proof is on you

Actually, we've also made a claim, so we carry an equal burden of proof.

all the info needed are on clevernoob's page really...anyways hope the quotes helped

While I really think clevernoob is a smart guy, that guy TOTALLY HATES everything about the ending of ME3. I appreciate he collected all that info and put it into a video but remeber that that guy is collecting data to back up his feelings on the matter. I would take it with a grain of salt.

1+1=2 for me and for GOD

Descartes (Cartesio for us Italians)

[macrocarl]

crimzontearz wrote...

macrocarl wrote...

Slappy Ya Face wrote...

So case closed then, it's out of chronological order.

Now on to problem #593
How do they know rather shepard is alive or dead?

This is going to sound totally weird...... in fact, I remember when Inception came out there was this debate as to whether the main guy dude was still in a dream and one friend was pro-still-in-a-dream and the other wasn't. What dawned on me was that both sides had valid in-movie clues as to why they were on the side they were on.

The fact was it was both. The answer is both in this case too. Some people really hate that type of story ending but personally I like it.

that is because the spin top is not his totem, his wedding ring is, as he does not have it in the final scene he is not in a dream

Michael Cain also confirmed it was not a dream


 
Also...nolan is an ****

My other friend found some other info in the movie that was quite compelling. I don't remember any more because I too am not a huge Nolan fan. I was just using that as an example of something that came up over a debate where both parties were essentially wrong because it's both. I have some more examples but they get kind of essoteric so I'll skip it! But you see what I'm saying about the Destroy ending yeah?

[crimzontearz]

iakus wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

iakus wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...





Brenon Holmes
09:40 AM 2012-03-06
So yeah, there's a secret Shepard lives ending - it's not super happy though. It's more like a movie trailer thing where it hints at a sequel (there is no sequel, afaik - I'm just using it to illustrate the type of cinematic).

A sequel hook for a game that will never happen.

Brilliant!  Closure for everyone!

you know what he meant

I do.  That still doesn't make it a good idea

never never said it was


 
Also not his idea

[crimzontearz]

macrocarl wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

macrocarl wrote...

Slappy Ya Face wrote...

So case closed then, it's out of chronological order.

Now on to problem #593
How do they know rather shepard is alive or dead?

This is going to sound totally weird...... in fact, I remember when Inception came out there was this debate as to whether the main guy dude was still in a dream and one friend was pro-still-in-a-dream and the other wasn't. What dawned on me was that both sides had valid in-movie clues as to why they were on the side they were on.

The fact was it was both. The answer is both in this case too. Some people really hate that type of story ending but personally I like it.

that is because the spin top is not his totem, his wedding ring is, as he does not have it in the final scene he is not in a dream

Michael Cain also confirmed it was not a dream


 
Also...nolan is an ****

My other friend found some other info in the movie that was quite compelling. I don't remember any more because I too am not a huge Nolan fan. I was just using that as an example of something that came up over a debate where both parties were essentially wrong because it's both. I have some more examples but they get kind of essoteric so I'll skip it! But you see what I'm saying about the Destroy ending yeah?

yes but in this case Word of God is involved

[macrocarl]

crimzontearz wrote...

macrocarl wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Holger1405 wrote...

Slappy Ya Face wrote...

Holger1405 wrote...
Looks like it is not common knowledge to everyone... 
BTW your argument looks like you don't like to be interrupted in your "Happy Bioware Bashing."
From the outside of curse... :innocent:

Is this the part where we make passive aggressive comments to each other while using 'cute' emoticons to avoid appearing annoyed? I don't play that game. Stop arguing meaningless semantics because you have no real defense of the ending to offer. If you like it, that's fantastic, I wish I did too. Don't run amok on the forums like a jilted child; however, just because the majority doesn't agree with you.

It's, from my point of view, not entirely clear which one of us "run amok on the forums like a jilted child"
I Pointed out that neither crimzontearz nor you speak for all the Fans. That's fact, If you like it or not.  

lol...ORLY?

because hard numbers are on my side. EVERY poll both internal and external after EC showed people are still not happy with it. Where are your numbers? Oh right, in Bioware's hands and they refuse to release them.I may not speak for everyone but when I say number are on my side I am telling the truth and I also bet I have more NG+ playthroughs than you. Just because I condemn the decisions of few people on the BW staff that does not mean I happily bash all of Bioware, only those people who treated us poorly

Not all polls. There was one posted on FB right after the EC hit and it got OUTSTANDING praise. I thought that was a good one because I personally know a bunch of folks who have played and loved ME3 who do not come to video game boards evah but are on FB. So at least from my experience the less video gamey sites seem to have the folks I know actually vote.
Also, if you look even on the BSN the numbers are pretty split. Yes there are more threads unhappy about the ending but the same posters post to them over and over. Seriously, go back through and count.

lol really? Please do find these polls, the burden of proof is on you

I'm sorry I won't. I'm also not lying....... Look if you don't want to see it another way and just want to be 'right' then go for it. Also your post of 1+1=2 thing doesn't make sense to what I was saying but I kind of get that this is pointless so as we say in Italian: buona fortuna!

[crimzontearz]

macrocarl wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

macrocarl wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Holger1405 wrote...

Slappy Ya Face wrote...

Holger1405 wrote...
Looks like it is not common knowledge to everyone... 
BTW your argument looks like you don't like to be interrupted in your "Happy Bioware Bashing."
From the outside of curse... :innocent:

Is this the part where we make passive aggressive comments to each other while using 'cute' emoticons to avoid appearing annoyed? I don't play that game. Stop arguing meaningless semantics because you have no real defense of the ending to offer. If you like it, that's fantastic, I wish I did too. Don't run amok on the forums like a jilted child; however, just because the majority doesn't agree with you.

It's, from my point of view, not entirely clear which one of us "run amok on the forums like a jilted child"
I Pointed out that neither crimzontearz nor you speak for all the Fans. That's fact, If you like it or not.  

lol...ORLY?

because hard numbers are on my side. EVERY poll both internal and external after EC showed people are still not happy with it. Where are your numbers? Oh right, in Bioware's hands and they refuse to release them.I may not speak for everyone but when I say number are on my side I am telling the truth and I also bet I have more NG+ playthroughs than you. Just because I condemn the decisions of few people on the BW staff that does not mean I happily bash all of Bioware, only those people who treated us poorly

Not all polls. There was one posted on FB right after the EC hit and it got OUTSTANDING praise. I thought that was a good one because I personally know a bunch of folks who have played and loved ME3 who do not come to video game boards evah but are on FB. So at least from my experience the less video gamey sites seem to have the folks I know actually vote.
Also, if you look even on the BSN the numbers are pretty split. Yes there are more threads unhappy about the ending but the same posters post to them over and over. Seriously, go back through and count.

lol really? Please do find these polls, the burden of proof is on you

I'm sorry I won't. I'm also not lying....... Look if you don't want to see it another way and just want to be 'right' then go for it. Also your post of 1+1=2 thing doesn't make sense to what I was saying but I kind of get that this is pointless so as we say in Italian: buona fortuna!

I do not need luck. Math is universal, in other words I have numbers, number do not lie...while you and other claiming a majority is happy, do not. I will be happy to be proven wrong.

[Iakus]

crimzontearz wrote...

iakus wrote...
I do.  That still doesn't make it a good idea

never never said it was


 
Also not his idea

Not slamming him.  Just slamming the concept that such an ending was considered "good enough"

[crimzontearz]

iakus wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

iakus wrote...
I do.  That still doesn't make it a good idea

never never said it was


 
Also not his idea

Not slamming him.  Just slamming the concept that such an ending was considered "good enough"

De Gustibus non disputandum est.

Mac must have thought it was good because....well...reasons I guess right?

I bet the ones we have to thank for having the breath scene at all are Casey and Preston, THEY were the ones advocating a happier ending and Mac was the one calling the galaxy post ME3 a wasteland

[Iakus]

crimzontearz wrote...
De Gustibus non disputandum est.

Now it's Caveat emptor

[Ice Cold J]

 I'd say the assumption is that the LI doesn't believe Shep is dead.

Well, I mean, Shepard already died once and then was alive again, so who knows?

I think it's just hope. Not proclaiming someone dead until there is undeniable proof.

[macrocarl]

Here crimzontearz: http://www.facebook....36509146424475/
There's more if you search too. I don't have time to make a video but it's no less legit. This is why i said to take clevernoobs' video with a grain of salt because of his obvious bias. The internet loves polls... so weird.

[Gilsa]

Read the thread. Just going to address the OP at this point.

The first time I saw this scene was on a high EMS destroy so it looked like the LI was trying to say goodbye by holding on to the name plate. I did not know what the smile truly meant. Shepard did just wipe out the Reapers so the LI could have been having a proud moment, knowing that Shepard was a hero in the end. I just didn't know for sure. And then the breath scene flashed by and I wondered if they even knew Shepard was alive because they went ahead with that memorial wall first. It was too ambiguous for my taste. I appreciated the clarification in twitter about what the endings was supposed to mean, but the fact that it even had to be explained outside of the game meant they didn't really pull it off very well.

[Iakus]

Gilsa wrote...

Read the thread. Just going to address the OP at this point.

The first time I saw this scene was on a high EMS destroy so it looked like the LI was trying to say goodbye by holding on to the name plate. I did not know what the smile truly meant. Shepard did just wipe out the Reapers so the LI could have been having a proud moment, knowing that Shepard was a hero in the end. I just didn't know for sure. And then the breath scene flashed by and I wondered if they even knew Shepard was alive because they went ahead with that memorial wall first. It was too ambiguous for my taste. I appreciated the clarification in twitter about what the endings was supposed to mean, but the fact that it even had to be explained outside of the game meant they didn't really pull it off very well.

See, this right here is the problem with the ending:  Unless you know otherwise, it can far too easily be interpreted as Shepard's death.  If it takes outside confirmation (like a developer quote) to confirm the ending, you're doing it wrong. 

Tacking on "it's up to interpretation" is doing it worse.

[MECavScout01]

macrocarl wrote...
I'm sorry I won't. I'm also not lying....... Look if you don't want to see it another way and just want to be 'right' then go for it. Also your post of 1+1=2 thing doesn't make sense to what I was saying but I kind of get that this is pointless so as we say in Italian: buona fortuna!

Sorry buddy, but I think you're lying, and you're committing to a non-action to not deal with the consequences.

As Crimson said, the burden of proof is on you.

[Slappy Ya Face]

iakus wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

Read the thread. Just going to address the OP at this point.

The first time I saw this scene was on a high EMS destroy so it looked like the LI was trying to say goodbye by holding on to the name plate. I did not know what the smile truly meant. Shepard did just wipe out the Reapers so the LI could have been having a proud moment, knowing that Shepard was a hero in the end. I just didn't know for sure. And then the breath scene flashed by and I wondered if they even knew Shepard was alive because they went ahead with that memorial wall first. It was too ambiguous for my taste. I appreciated the clarification in twitter about what the endings was supposed to mean, but the fact that it even had to be explained outside of the game meant they didn't really pull it off very well.

See, this right here is the problem with the ending:  Unless you know otherwise, it can far too easily be interpreted as Shepard's death.  If it takes outside confirmation (like a developer quote) to confirm the ending, you're doing it wrong. 

Tacking on "it's up to interpretation" is doing it worse.

Don't you want speculations? Everyone gets speculations!

[crimzontearz]

Damn I do not have Facebook (hate the damn thing) can someone summarize???

[crimzontearz]

iakus wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
De Gustibus non disputandum est.

Now it's Caveat emptor

well no I was.talking about his tastes and the possibility he MIGHT have liked it, really liked it

[nrobbiec]

I interpreted it as the message coming through at that time, it also explains why LI looks up.

[Slappy Ya Face]

nrobbiec wrote...

I interpreted it as the message coming through at that time, it also explains why LI looks up.

Huh... You know, that actually makes sense. There was no audio in that scene besides the music. Good catch.

Modifié par Slappy Ya Face, 28 février 2013 - 04:52 .

[Tootles FTW]

I get what they were doing with this scene, but honestly it confuses me completely as to the timeline if you choose (as I did) the Destroy option.

No one knew that Anderson went up with Shepard, but the Normandy crew have a plaque up for him...leading me to believe that his body would have had to have been discovered at the point of the memorial scene.  But Shepard wasn't that much further away from Anderson, and if we are taking into consideration the injuries she/he sustained by the end of the game Shepard would have had to have been discovered within a reasonable time period thereafter to survive extraction (~24-48hrs).

So either the (stranded-)Normandy crew WAS NOT in communication with the Alliance and psychically knew Anderson was dead, and assumed that their fearless leader - who defied death twice before - was also KIA...which makes no sense.

OR the (stranded-)Normandy crew WAS in communication with the Alliance and were informed of Anderson's death, and immediately took it upon themselves to frabricate memorial plates for Anderson and Shepard sans confirmation of Shepard's actual death, which makes no sense.

It's just...what?  Huh?

[crimzontearz]

Slappy Ya Face wrote...

nrobbiec wrote...

I interpreted it as the message coming through at that time, it also explains why LI looks up.

Huh... You know, that actually makes sense. There was no audio in that scene besides the music. Good catch.

one line of audio from joker


 
loads of much happier fans

[Iakus]

Slappy Ya Face wrote...

nrobbiec wrote...

I interpreted it as the message coming through at that time, it also explains why LI looks up.

Huh... You know, that actually makes sense. There was no audio in that scene besides the music. Good catch.

One line of audio in that scene could have turned it all around, I agree.

[Ticonderoga117]

Because someone was being a massive tease when they wrote that. "Here, let's add a little more hope instead of just showing Shepard ****ing rising from the debris. I hate being decisive! I like being a massive tool to make this game "art"."

[JamieCOTC]

It's an old trope in which the LI "feels" or "somehow knows" that the hero is alive even if s/he is perceived dead.

[Reorte]

crimzontearz wrote...

Slappy Ya Face wrote...

nrobbiec wrote...

I interpreted it as the message coming through at that time, it also explains why LI looks up.

Huh... You know, that actually makes sense. There was no audio in that scene besides the music. Good catch.

one line of audio from joker


 
loads of much happier fans

Yep, that would've done it. Not perfect but enough.

I didn't know about a smile (having Tali as LI) but the impression I got was of an upset LI being defiant, particularly when I couldn't see them even having a plaque to put up at all without good reason to think that Shepard was dead. The very presence of the scene suggests a different intention but when intention clashes with what's actually shown I'm going to be annoyed regardless.