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[Grumpy Old Wizard]

The Juggernaught is immune because he is slow and there is no way he can get out of the way.  It is quite enough to have one character that is immune to synch kills.

[FeralJester616]

skergx120 wrote...

I understand the whole "he can run" argument, but have you tried making a U-turn with this ****ing guy? Fighting bosses on glacier is not a good day. If he was a bit faster walking backwards, he would be amazing.

lol, You were in the wrong place mate.
Ran U/R/G solo yesterday, stood on the long ramp (at the back with the ammo box) and battered the hell out of everything. Zero Sync-Kills.

In general though, this guy is a beast. Best used for guerilla tactics against bosses, only standing his ground when in the correct place.

[GallowsPole]

Instead of continually looking at it from a lore/duh issue, try and look at it purely as a game balancing one. We all know Krogan are tough badasses with health regen. Look at it too, that in theory, the Juggywhat should kick the huckleberries off a Krogan before he had a chance to look at him wrong. So balance that in a co-OP game and you get Krogans without sync kill immunity.

[Euric]

So much fun to melee/ sync kill a praetorian or a banshee to death with the juggernaut.

Edit: Further note: Payback is a b***h.

Modifié par Euric, 28 février 2013 - 02:22 .

[nicethugbert]

Staircase = Krogan Warmachine

Don't look a gift staircase in the mouth.

Beware of Krogans bearing gifts.

Modifié par nicethugbert, 28 février 2013 - 02:25 .

[Cole Jones]

8 and a half foot tall, Probably weigh's 6 ton's. You guess. ALSO! He's not squishy. A Hand through gut would probably drain half his shields.

[nicethugbert]

GallowsPole wrote...

Instead of continually looking at it from a lore/duh issue, try and look at it purely as a game balancing one. We all know Krogan are tough badasses with health regen. Look at it too, that in theory, the Juggywhat should kick the huckleberries off a Krogan before he had a chance to look at him wrong. So balance that in a co-OP game and you get Krogans without sync kill immunity.

Where is the fun?

As far as balance goes, Krogan should be Krogan, then you adjust their health and shields.  BW messed them up from the start, then instead of quickly fixing them, just kept making it worse by giving them more health and shields as if that fixes the problem.

[GallowsPole]

Plus if you really want to go according to lore, keep in my mind Krogans got their asses kicked by Salarians.

[objectivemonkey14]

Because it, you know, houses multiple geth programs... which are nothing like redundant organs.

Gameplay reason, can't run/dodge/move. Krogan is fairly mobile. Lore reason, Juggs houses multiple geth programs in multiple cores in Juggs hardware unit... which are... nothing like redundant organs.

Real reason: space magic.

[GallowsPole]

nicethugbert wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

Instead of continually looking at it from a lore/duh issue, try and look at it purely as a game balancing one. We all know Krogan are tough badasses with health regen. Look at it too, that in theory, the Juggywhat should kick the huckleberries off a Krogan before he had a chance to look at him wrong. So balance that in a co-OP game and you get Krogans without sync kill immunity.

Where is the fun?

As far as balance goes, Krogan should be Krogan, then you adjust their health and shields.  BW messed them up from the start, then instead of quickly fixing them, just kept making it worse by giving them more health and shields as if that fixes the problem.

Well fun wise, I can point to ten other kits Id rather have fun with, if that what is BW uses to balance things becaue whats fun for me, isn't necessarily fun to someone else. Personally, I wouldn't find it fun to have no consequences to getting up close and personal to melee all the things. Ill do my 10 extractions for the challenges and then Juggy can sit on the shelf.

As far as balancing, you have to take the whole world into consideration. While we might not agree with BW's decisions, lets say they had this Juggy or some form of him they wanted to implement a long time ago and was working Krogan nerfs/buffs around it. Krogans are flesh and blood, they aren't immine. They have redundant organs and wear heavy armor. They aren't invincible. The same could be said of the Geth because they are machines. But you cant have a Krogan being on par with the Juggy, that's just not balanced.

[Krazy_Kirby]

Muhkida wrote...

Just pick your fights with sync kill mobs on stairs and ramps.

Problem solved.

That doesn't even work anymore

[L.ast L.ife]

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Because 1 Melee Kill Rage, Health Regen and Biotic Hammer.

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Oh, and Electric Hammer for free Fire Explosions if you want to get fancy.

Modifié par L.ast L.ife, 28 février 2013 - 07:54 .

[TwinWolf954]

In my opinion, I think he should be immune to Phantom synckills, and that's it.

[Haersvaelg]

Because the krogan can run to avoid them along with outputting significant damage?

[Kataigida]

Probably because if the Jugg could be sync killed, this magical thing would happen:

NO ONE WOULD PLAY IT

I mean honestly...there's no way in hell you can get away from the sync-kill enemies with the Jugg, but you can do it with the Krolord through the simple fact that he can run. The Jugg on the other hand, is almost always crawling with sync-kill enemies, especially phantoms. Poor things are always tripping over phantoms until they force choke the little brats.

[NT121784]

Krogan can get away, juggy cant

[N7Kopper]

First off, the Krolord isn't as big as Juggy. He's just really fat. (aka: has a huge hump)

Second, redundant organs don't help if you lose them all at once. Who says the Phantom's sword doesn't have anti-krogan countermeasures? And all the other melee guys either are also part krogan (Brute) or bigger and stronger than a krogan. Krogan aren't as tough as some people believe, especially in relation to giant robots like an Atlas. Still, ME3 does a good job of making krogan as tough as they ought to be - Ashley and solly/infilShep were as good or better at tanking than Wrex in the first game. Especially Shepard.

[iloveexplosives]

Krogan is very tough and high damage but even he can't regenerate from a massive hole in his chest head or spine, plus he can run away. Put enough metal armor on the multi ton robot and he's too heavy to be lifted by banshee pratorian brute or atlas and no way is that phantom strong enough to shove a sword through 10 in of battleplate

[E71]

If they wanted to make the Juggernaut as slow as the Prime, maybe they should have made it a friggin' Prime.

Its height totally underwhelms me.

[Pathetisad]

I've said before, In believe the Warlord SHOULD be immune to a phantoms sync kill.
How the hell can she even reach the warlords chest to stab him?

[N7 Drone]

You know giving would the letting Warlord sync-kill immune could cause more harm than good. Have you ask yourself "How come the Warlord can run? He can run so that.he can close distance between hiself and the emeny" If the warlord couldn't run in theory he would be a sitting duck(Yeah you can't be sync-kill be you still die from emeny picking you.off afar), if the Warlord can't get into melee range than he not a threat to enemy (I know the warlord can shoot a gun but the reason you carry a gun is to increase melee damage with weapon mods.Not to shoot it lol.Hell do you really have to use a gun with the warlord?).

So instead of people crying about being sync-kill in CQC, People will whine about how the emeny kills the Warlord before the Warlord can reach the emeny. (Again in theory).
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[squidney2k1]

Muhkida wrote...

Just pick your fights with sync kill mobs on stairs and ramps.

Problem solved.

Only problem with an incline is that it's hard to 3-hit combo an atlas, since it screws up the auto-targeting for melee.