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[peddroelm]

Last night while doing some testing on the new Reckoning content with corlist when we stumbled upon this:

(testing crusader vs ravager will give an inflated sense of performance)
(pretty sure scions suffer from this also - will test later)

All tests were done on the same forever healing ravager that had the venom sacks already popped ..

Spitfire VII (HVB V ; 25% WD) vs gold ravager
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((67.3-53.8)/9)*(7-1)+53.8 = 62.8 base damage


TC OFF

24957ms | ravager armour damage: 73.500000

// triple hit
196ms | ravager armour damage: 73.500000
0ms | ravager armour damage: 42.100098
19ms | ravager armour damage: 42.100098

// double hit
165ms | ravager armour damage: 73.500000
1ms | ravager armour damage: 42.100098

140ms | ravager armour damage: 73.500000
69ms | ravager armour damage: 73.500000
94ms | ravager armour damage: 73.500000
76ms | ravager armour damage: 73.500000
103ms | ravager armour damage: 73.500000

// double hit
94ms | ravager armour damage: 73.500000
1ms | ravager armour damage: 42.100098



Hit vs gold armor
(62.8 * (1 + 0.25)) - (50 * (1 - 0.9)) =73.5
penetrating hit
(62.8 * 0.6 * (1 + 0.25)) - (50 * (1 - 0.9)) =42.1 // HVB penalty


TC ON

124ms | ravager armour damage: 123.740234

//triple hit
60ms | ravager armour damage: 123.740234
0ms | ravager armour damage: 72.244141
17ms | ravager armour damage: 72.244141

(62.8 * (1 + 0.25 + 0.8)) - (50 * (1 - 0.9)) = 123.74
(62.8 * 0.6 * (1 + 0.25 + 0.8)) - (50 * (1 - 0.9)) =72.244

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Claymore X (+ HVB, 25% WD) ALL 8 pellets double hit vs ravager

TC OFF
616866ms | ravager armour damage: 291.500000
0ms | ravager armour damage: 198.799805
13ms | ravager armour damage: 291.500000
0ms | ravager armour damage: 198.799805
1ms | ravager armour damage: 291.500000
0ms | ravager armour damage: 198.799805
30ms | ravager armour damage: 291.500000
1ms | ravager armour damage: 198.799805
0ms | ravager armour damage: 291.500000
26ms | ravager armour damage: 198.799805
1ms | ravager armour damage: 291.500000
22ms | ravager armour damage: 198.799805
1ms | ravager armour damage: 291.500000
27ms | ravager armour damage: 198.799805
1ms | ravager armour damage: 291.500000
18ms | ravager armour damage: 198.799805

206 * (1 + 0.25 + 0.25) - 50 * (1 - 0.65) = 291.5
(206 * 0.7 * (1 + 0.25 + 0.25)) - (50 * (1 - 0.65)) =198.8


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Crusader V (HVB +25% WD) should have no damage loss
(((788.4 - 630.7) / 9) * (5 - 1)) + 630.7 =700.79

//no cloak double hit
290821ms | ravager armour damage: 1033.683594
0ms | ravager armour damage: 1033.683594

//no cloak double hit
3624ms | ravager armour damage: 1033.683594
0ms | ravager armour damage: 1033.683594

(700.79 * (1 + 0.25 + 0.25)) - (50 * (1 - 0.65)) = 1033.685

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Weapon CSMG X (mag + HVB) vs ravager (double hits)

90% piece 40% penalty

640032ms | ravager armour damage: 77.667969
0ms | ravager armour damage: 43.601074

39ms | ravager armour damage: 77.667969
1ms | ravager armour damage: 43.601074

40ms | ravager armour damage: 77.667969
1ms | ravager armour damage: 43.601074

70ms | ravager armour damage: 77.667969
1ms | ravager armour damage: 43.601074

((51.5 * 1.05 * (1 + 0.05)) - (50 * (1 - 0.9))) * 1.5 = 77.668125
(51.5 * 1.05 * 0.6 * ((1 + 0.05)) - 50 * (1 - 0.9)) * 1.5 = 43.600875 OK
Test on collector adept. Notice the multiplicative 5% collector weapon bonus


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PPR X (HVB)
26ms | ravager armour damage: 23.444336
1ms | ravager armour damage: 12.066895 //ravager double hit

25.8 * 1.05 * (1 + 0.05 + 0) - 50 * (1 - 0.9) = 23.4445
25.8 * 1.05 * 0.6 * (1 + 0.05 + 0) - 50 * (1 - 0.9) = 12.0667

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Lancer VI (HVB) LOL TRIPLE HIT FROM SLIGHTLY ABOVE

(((84.8 - 67.9) / 9) * (6 - 1)) + 67.9 =77.29

//triple
190131ms | ravager armour damage: 76.153320
0ms | ravager armour damage: 43.691895
15ms | ravager armour damage: 43.691895

//triple
430ms | ravager armour damage: 76.153320
0ms | ravager armour damage: 43.691895
11ms | ravager armour damage: 43.691895

//triple
334ms | ravager armour damage: 76.153320
1ms | ravager armour damage: 43.691895
21ms | ravager armour damage: 43.691895

// double
25ms | ravager armour damage: 76.153320
0ms | ravager armour damage: 43.691895

(77.29 * (1 + 0.05 + 0)) - (50 * (1 - 0.9)) = 76.1545
(77.29 * 0.6 * (1 + 0.05 + 0)) - (50 * (1 - 0.9)) = 43.6927

Lancer is not a collector weapon

Modifié par peddroelmz, 28 février 2013 - 10:20 .

[Moby]

Lancer is not a collector weapon

SRSLY?!

[BjornDaDwarf]

Well that would explain how my Crusader just shreds Ravagers, and the occasional inconsistency of how many shots it takes.

Nice work!

[peddroelm]

MofuggerX wrote...

peddroelm wrote...
Lancer is not a collector weapon

SRSLY?!

Was not expecting it to be .. Tested to make sure ..

[ktong747]

Not like this bug is actually a bad thing, considering Ravagers don't have any "headshot" locations.

[Blind2Society]

I wouldn't consider this a bad thing either.

[Deerber]

Ah, I knew it! That's why you get so inconsistent results against them...

[stysiaq]

What do the numbers mean? Do I get double/triple damage with certain weapons against Ravagers/Scions/Atli?

Modifié par stysiaq, 28 février 2013 - 09:44 .

[Hanshu Tamashi]

If they fix the double/triple hit, they have to fix Ravagers occasionally not taking damage to Bio. Expolsions, and Atlas never missing rocket, and Shadow Strike not working, but they probably won't.

Plus to be honest, I dont mind this bug at all lol

[Stahlhammer]

Noticed this some time ago. To me it seems like max damage is done when hitting Ravagers with the sacks [important?] in their 'eye', thus projectiles hit his body where the 'eye' is located, then sacks, then the back part of the body.

Weird.

[Dracian]

ktong747 wrote...

Not like this bug is actually a bad thing, considering Ravagers don't have any "headshot" locations.

They have, but it is ridiculously small. It's located between the front circle and the front sack.

If you look closely, you should notice its eyes, too

Back on topic, that should explain why I can OSK them when I play my GI/Javelin...

[spudspot]

peddroelmz wrote...

Was not expecting it to be .. Tested to make sure ..

Hm, did you think it might have slipped through as one because it has the same overheat mechanic?

Anyway, thanks for testing, it really explains a lot!

Dracian wrote...

They have, but it is ridiculously small. It's located between the front circle and the front sack.

And this explains why I once got a headshot medal out of the blue after killing a ravager.

Modifié par spudspot, 28 février 2013 - 09:59 .

[Blind2Society]

Dracian wrote...

ktong747 wrote...

Not like this bug is actually a bad thing, considering Ravagers don't have any "headshot" locations.

They have, but it is ridiculously small. It's located between the front circle and the front sack.

If you look closely, you should notice its eyes, too

Back on topic, that should explain why I can OSK them when I play my GI/Javelin...

Hmmm, thanks for sharing, I never noticed that. I always just popped the big sack then shot for the circle. This explains even better why damage was inconsistant.

[Rutg3r]

Blind2Society wrote...

Dracian wrote...

ktong747 wrote...

Not like this bug is actually a bad thing, considering Ravagers don't have any "headshot" locations.

They have, but it is ridiculously small. It's located between the front circle and the front sack.

If you look closely, you should notice its eyes, too

Back on topic, that should explain why I can OSK them when I play my GI/Javelin...

Hmmm, thanks for sharing, I never noticed that. I always just popped the big sack then shot for the circle. This explains even better why damage was inconsistant.

hmm I always try to avoid popping the sack since it drops a lot of swarmers.

[Blind2Society]

Rutg3r wrote...

hmm I always try to avoid popping the sack since it drops a lot of swarmers.

From what I can tell it works like popping the sac on a scion.

[ktong747]

Doesn't the Ravager drops Swarmers on death anyway? I just pop them to kill the Swarmers right there and then.

[GreatBlueHeron]

Might as well post a string of emoticons sprinkled wih symbols. I don't do math. Needs a Too Math-y; Stats Explaination.

[Kirrahe Airlines CEO]

Interesting. No wonder why I can get massive damage on them with low damage shotguns. I wonder if hitting that same spot with the M-11 Supressor will yield the x4 headshot multiplier...

[mgc1971]

I really appreciate your efforts Peddro but to be perfectly honest I dont understand any of those numbers....LOL....I read the title of the message and get a clear picture of what you will explain later, but I guess math is not my thing

[kaileena_sands]

 I always suspected this since when sniping with a Javelin/BW there are a lot of times when I sometimes get super ghetto damage, even though I know I hit them, and sometimes - woah! One-shot/almost one-shot. xD

I am almost sad that you posted this, I hope BW doesn't double the Ravager's armor now. Sometimes they are a joke, but sometimes they are sniping you from everywhere on Jade while you are trying to disable a device so I don't need them to be harder to kill. 

But excellent finding anyway, keep up the good work as usual. 

[FreekOne]

Nice find! I'm going to have a look at the 3D model later, I wonder which parts of the geometry make this possible.

[peddroelm]

mgc1971 wrote...

I really appreciate your efforts Peddro but to be perfectly honest I dont understand any of those numbers....LOL....I read the title of the message and get a clear picture of what you will explain later, but I guess math is not my thing

Some of the numbers represent damage inflicted and time intervals between attacks .. That is the in game measured test data ...

The second part represents damage calculated after, according to the damage forumula the game uses ...It should match the test data and help explain it .

The Krauser wrote...

.. I wonder if hitting that same spot with the M-11 Supressor will yield the x4 headshot multiplier...

No

Modifié par peddroelmz, 28 février 2013 - 10:34 .

[Sojiro888]

So where do we need to aim to get double/triple hits?

[peddroelm]

Sojiro888 wrote...

So where do we need to aim to get double/triple hits?

Hopefully FreekOne's 3d model analysis will reveal more precise instructions ... 

Atm I would say  front/back hits have more chances than hits from the sides ...

Modifié par peddroelmz, 28 février 2013 - 11:32 .

[RicardoBR_]

I always start by destroying the front sac and hit the center of the stomach. It's funny how fast they die like that.

Before I knew this weakspot, I always had this fear of ravagers. But now, everytime I see one, I just rush and get it over with.