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[xtorma]

Does any other class have this ability? if the answer is no , that would make her unique.

[dumdum2]

NewStrings wrote...

All I read from that is "Love me, for I am awesome".

I am awesome, that's why I got 10 waves survived. Salmon is also awesome, because he was in the same game as me when I got 10 waves survived, so you can say that I helped him get 10 waves survived too. How awesome is that?!

[Balcathor]

Zero132132 wrote...

It's both. She's uniquely immortal and thus uniquely OP. But I'm confused as to why people can't comprehend that she's too damned much.

How so?   I judge a kit OPness by the impact on the metagame.   

Take the Geth Infiltrator.   Once it was discovered how strong it was,  you couldn't go into a lobby without there being two or more GI.   Which is one of the reasons  that cloak got nerfed.

I don't see alot of AIU in lobbies.  Maybe everyone's fears will be confirmed and there will be two or more in every lobby but until that time comes, I think the jury is still out on this one.

Hell, I have seen more Juggernauts and Warlords in every lobby.  They are fricking everywhere.  

[Alijah Green]

xtorma wrote...

dumdum2 wrote...

So I just got online on my Xbox and wanted to level up my level 10 AIU, HardcoreSalmon was online so we did a relaxing Gold duo. We wanted to do it without using the OP Repair Matrix so Salmon used a build without it and I had two ranks in it so I used it during pizza delivery to move faster but not more than that.

Salmon had full Fitness on his character while I went with no Fitness, he used Shield Power Cells III while I used Cyclonic I.

End result without using Repair Matrix was an easy and relaxing Gold duo with 10 waves survived. So anyone that really believes that this class need to have the auto-revive in order to make it "unique" should go hide in a closet somewhere because that argument is just plain stupid. There is no need for the auto-revive except for making bad players soloing Platinum without breaking a sweat.

Pictures for anyone interested:

Bad players soloing platinum has....0 effect on you.

[Alijah Green]

Alijah Green wrote...

xtorma wrote...

dumdum2 wrote...

So I just got online on my Xbox and wanted to level up my level 10 AIU, HardcoreSalmon was online so we did a relaxing Gold duo. We wanted to do it without using the OP Repair Matrix so Salmon used a build without it and I had two ranks in it so I used it during pizza delivery to move faster but not more than that.

Salmon had full Fitness on his character while I went with no Fitness, he used Shield Power Cells III while I used Cyclonic I.

End result without using Repair Matrix was an easy and relaxing Gold duo with 10 waves survived. So anyone that really believes that this class need to have the auto-revive in order to make it "unique" should go hide in a closet somewhere because that argument is just plain stupid. There is no need for the auto-revive except for making bad players soloing Platinum without breaking a sweat.

Pictures for anyone interested:

Bad players soloing platinum has....0 effect on you.

[Ziegrif]

I think we can safely add Repair Matrix and the AIU as words that make BSN go berserk.

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I think we can have some serious fun with this.

[LegionofRannoch]

dumdum2 wrote...

NewStrings wrote...

All I read from that is "Love me, for I am awesome".

I am awesome, that's why I got 10 waves survived. Salmon is also awesome, because he was in the same game as me when I got 10 waves survived, so you can say that I helped him get 10 waves survived too. How awesome is that?!

you should change your name..

http://ts4.mm.bing.n...&h=154&c=7&rs=1

[Hope.Is.Lost]

 I'm not sure you know what unique means  Being the only character with an auto-revive ability is UNIQUE, Snap Freeze and Tac-Cloak are on other characters. 

[Striker93175]

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

dumdum2 wrote...

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

How can you argue the power is a crutch when you  haven't even experimented with it? Shouldn't you do that first, before determining it is OP and a crutch?

I have. Do you honestly think that this was the first game I played with that character? 

Sorry, I thought I read in the OP that your playing partner specced out of it, and you decided to try it with two ranks.

[Cyonan]

I once got 10 waves survived using nothing but a Shuriken on a Quarian Female Engineer on Gold.

Clearly Tactical Cloak, Snap Freeze, and good weapons are crutches for scrubs.

[Zero132132]

dumdum2 wrote...

OuterRim wrote...

dumdum2 wrote...

Darth Mogri wrote...

I think OP just wants us all to know how much better than us he/she is. REAL players don't need that crap. AND if you use Ops Packs or Medigels you're all noobs, hurr durr!

Couldn't have said it better myself 

Yeh, but its ok to use Matrix to speed up object retreival, just don't use it for revival. lol

Absolutely, because the consequence of everything you do should be to either stay alive or to die. With the auto-revive you don't have to worry about dying because you are immortal.

Absolutely wrong thing to say here, but I hope I can get one Platinum solo in before they nerf her. I tried with no equipment and still failed to a sync kill on wave 3 trying to get a device.

[hawgwild5757]

Whenever I see one of these threads all I see is a child crying because everyone else won't play the game the way he thinks they should.

[OuterRim]

dumdum2 wrote...

OuterRim wrote...

dumdum2 wrote...

Darth Mogri wrote...

I think OP just wants us all to know how much better than us he/she is. REAL players don't need that crap. AND if you use Ops Packs or Medigels you're all noobs, hurr durr!

Couldn't have said it better myself 

Yeh, but its ok to use Matrix to speed up object retreival, just don't use it for revival. lol

Absolutely, because the consequence of everything you do should be to either stay alive or to die. With the auto-revive you don't have to worry about dying because you are immortal.

Gels and team revives make you immortal too. Should we remove those? If immortality is your issue then you should be consistent.

Last night I revived a player 12 times in a single game. Funny thing was he was playing the bot. Hmmmm...

[Deucetipher]

I'll concede it is a crutch, but it is a crutch that does not ruin the experience of other players, so why hate on it? In that sense, it is the opposite of the krysae, which was a crutch that ruined everybody else's game. The self-revive only protects bad players from there own stupidity, which is a good thing, imo. The only downside from my perspective is the lack of grenades when I'm rolling with my drell adept.

Maybe it will encourage other players to try higher difficulties and actually make them better. The hardest part of adjusting to an increase in difficulty is survivability. This helps mitigate that, hopefully improving the player base as a whole.

[LegionofRannoch]

Zero132132 wrote...

dumdum2 wrote...

OuterRim wrote...

dumdum2 wrote...

Darth Mogri wrote...

I think OP just wants us all to know how much better than us he/she is. REAL players don't need that crap. AND if you use Ops Packs or Medigels you're all noobs, hurr durr!

Couldn't have said it better myself 

Yeh, but its ok to use Matrix to speed up object retreival, just don't use it for revival. lol

Absolutely, because the consequence of everything you do should be to either stay alive or to die. With the auto-revive you don't have to worry about dying because you are immortal.

Absolutely wrong thing to say here, but I hope I can get one Platinum solo in before they nerf her. I tried with no equipment and still failed to a sync kill on wave 3 trying to get a device.

cant you wreed? he said IMMORTAL!

[Occurus]

dumdum2 wrote...

Aethyl wrote...

Well, you know, cloak.

Anyway, I fail to see the point of this thread.
Of course you don't need to spec into the revive ability, but it's still there, combined with cloak. *shrug*

The point is that people are trying to protect this "unique" class by preventing a nerf to the auto-revive. But in reality it is just a cover up for people being too bad to play the game. This thread is a testament to show that those arguments are invalid. A useless ability for the class which only supports bad gameplay by bad players, that's all it is.

U fool cloak recovery useless???

[monkeyhunter]

You tell 'em!

I mean, who cares!

[DeathIsHere]

dumdum2 wrote...

Aethyl wrote...

Well, you know, cloak.

Anyway, I fail to see the point of this thread.
Of course you don't need to spec into the revive ability, but it's still there, combined with cloak. *shrug*

The point is that people are trying to protect this "unique" class by preventing a nerf to the auto-revive. But in reality it is just a cover up for people being too bad to play the game. This thread is a testament to show that those arguments are invalid. A useless ability for the class which only supports bad gameplay by bad players, that's all it is.

So you're saying it doesn't need a nerf? Because that's what it being useless would imply.

But of course that's not what you meant, right? You're saying it's a crutch and anybody using it should feel bad because you're super awesome and don't need to use it! That's your point right? Shake your fist at those scrubs using a power you think is OP, they're bad at the game because they don't play the same way you do!

Get over yourself. Congrats, you can duo gold with a AIU without using RM. I'm happy for you, I really am, but that shows absolutely nothing either way for balance. It really doesn't. The way you play doesn't equal the way the majority plays, and no way is right. Make an actual argument for why this power is OP and not "It's a crutch for players that are worse than me!"

[monkeyhunter]

So people like you complain about bad pugs all the time. Then they get a kit so they can keep up somewhat. Only to have the same whiners whine for a nerf.

[dumdum2]

Ziegrif wrote...
I think we can have some serious fun with this.

I already have 

[GlacierRain]

This is getting pretty old and boring fast.

the game is slowly but surely nearing the end of its useful life so reducing the barrier of entry would attract more newcomers, generating more $$ for other outstanding projects. that's why the reckoning characters were quite incredible and with a chance to unlock one for free off the bat also goes well with BW's dedication to the fans.

or this is how I see things.

Modifié par GlacierRain, 28 février 2013 - 06:49 .

[Zero132132]

Balcathor wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

It's both. She's uniquely immortal and thus uniquely OP. But I'm confused as to why people can't comprehend that she's too damned much.

How so?   I judge a kit OPness by the impact on the metagame.   

Take the Geth Infiltrator.   Once it was discovered how strong it was,  you couldn't go into a lobby without there being two or more GI.   Which is one of the reasons  that cloak got nerfed.

I don't see alot of AIU in lobbies.  Maybe everyone's fears will be confirmed and there will be two or more in every lobby but until that time comes, I think the jury is still out on this one.

Hell, I have seen more Juggernauts and Warlords in every lobby.  They are fricking everywhere.  

I judge OPness by its actual abilities. The GI was OP before it was everywhere. I think most players haven't sorted out how to be immortal with her, and when they do, she'll be everywhere, stealing all the grenades.

[LegionofRannoch]

GlacierRain wrote...

This is getting pretty old and boring fast.

the game is slowly but surely nearing the end of its useful life so reducing the barrier of entry would attract more newcomers, generating more $$ for other outstanding projects. that's why the the reckoning characters were quite incredible and with a chance to unlock one for free off the bat also goes well with BW's dedication to the fans.

or this is how I see things.

lovin dat sig

[Ziegrif]

Y'know the sexbot does have a pretty good sense of humour.
Like I'M DOWN! and SHIELDS GONE!
Hi-larious.~