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[ChuckNorrisJoke]

First off, the Cain Trip Mines are amazing. However without a much needed bug fix I will not play this character anymore as my extraction challenge for him is complete. All I ask is for an option to auto-detonate ill placed mines and for each mine to actually activate when tripped. Omni arrow bonuses are good for extra grenades and I have noticed that without points in Talon Mercenary tree my grenades auto-fill after some time.

Excellent DLC regardless.

[SgtAmazing]

The auto aim makes this character useless.

[allenv30]

Just ran him today with 4 different setups. i actually used your config on him and found him to weak to withstand any hits. Even in cover, he tends to die fast. The arrows are too week to do any serious damage. I changed to the mines and used the concussive arrows only. I left out armor arrows and was able to run him in gold with no problem. I did do alot of running from cover to cover to keep him alive.   I set him up with a scorpion pistol.  

Modifié par allenv30, 04 mars 2013 - 03:35 .

[Bus7erdus7er]

OneTrueShot wrote...

I think the problem isn't how 'good' he is, it's his viability in gold. I used that exact same build on Gold along with two other players whom I consider wholly competent, and the only conclusion we could come to for Gold and above is to spec full power damage and use the cain mines whilst using him as a dynamic weapons platform, only using the bow as a debuff instead of an offensive.

  I use him like this and it works very well throw on the reager and typhoon and tear stuff up

[Yilduz]

I love that character.

I happened to play him quite like advised in first post. I went for a 6-6-0-6-6 build. The heavy mélée is not very powerful indeed compared to some other kits, even when maxed out, but it allows hits from a distance and auto-aim : one heavy mélée won't deal much damage but you can fire just after it with garanteed perfect aim. Switching from cover to cover, omni-bowing, firing the executionner, setting mines, running, hiding, peaking, that almost feel like playing a rythm game, and i love it !

I still see three major problems anyway :
- The lack of over-cover grab ; in tensed situation, it's a very useful skill for low health low shield kits.
- Some ennemies don't trigger Cain Mines : Banshees while teleporting and Dragoon while dashing ok, that makes sense. But i've seen many husks crossing the red lazer and nothing happened.
- Peaking out of cover for omni-bowing or shooting seems realy slow compared to some other kits. Maybe it's just an impression, i don't know.

Thanks anyway for the excellent work !

[Durzo___Blint]

@Yilduz - apparently (I haven't played him for a few days) press and hold melee when in hard cover to do the grab

[Silkerin]

the main problem I had with him is that the bows takes too long to "charge/concentrate the shots" and is too slow to fire, when the bolts are finally shot.. someone else already killed the target...

[juanjo_dpr9]

Seriously, people is just stupid. This enginner is the best in the game. It's way better than the demolisher or any other eng. Only using the Cain mines you can do more than 4500 damage against amors. If you are using powers amp you can increase that until 6000 or 7000 against any armor enemy and more than 4000 against shielded enemy. PLus, if you are using power amp in your pistol or SMMG you can increase 30% your base damage too. So, WHY THE HELL ARE THERE PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS CHARACTER?

Ok, don't mind. Just a data: Every time I use this character on giant or Rio against reapers on Platinum, only using using mines I get more than 160000 points. I can kill ravagers with a mine and brutes with two mines. All the troopers go down with a mine (phantoms included). This character, with a juggernaut in the team can get thousand of points easily. One more thing: don't use the bow, only prepare the arrows to give you more mines and that's it. I can use 12 mines (17 if I'm using granade amp).

Game in!

Modifié par juanjo_dpr9, 04 mars 2013 - 12:41 .

[_Ai_]

****! Got reset controls when first played this engineer... specced like Eric wrote and I think the character need a HUGE buff.... for the first time I've ended a gold game on 4th place! won't use him again, terrible damage/sec and terrible bow... when 1 arrow (which fired in the middle) is going to the target other two are going to nothing (wall, etc)

haven't got mines specced..

Modifié par _Ai_, 04 mars 2013 - 02:05 .

[NuclearTech76]

juanjo_dpr9 wrote...

Seriously, people is just stupid. This enginner is the best in the game. It's way better than the demolisher or any other eng. Only using the Cain mines you can do more than 4500 damage against amors. If you are using powers amp you can increase that until 6000 or 7000 against any armor enemy and more than 4000 against shielded enemy. PLus, if you are using power amp in your pistol or SMMG you can increase 30% your base damage too. So, WHY THE HELL ARE THERE PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS CHARACTER?

Ok, don't mind. Just a data: Every time I use this character on giant or Rio against reapers on Platinum, only using using mines I get more than 160000 points. I can kill ravagers with a mine and brutes with two mines. All the troopers go down with a mine (phantoms included). This character, with a juggernaut in the team can get thousand of points easily. One more thing: don't use the bow, only prepare the arrows to give you more mines and that's it. I can use 12 mines (17 if I'm using granade amp).

Game in!

I think everyone with a brain realizes the Cain mines are extraordinary. The problem is the bow is useless and that was supposed to be the point of the character. A power like decoy would've been great on this kit but we're stuck with two mostly useless powers and a ****ty fitness tree that doesn't support their use.

[UKillMeLongTime]

take the bow away give him incendary and cyro mines and double the amount you can deploy or add recon mine

the bow is poo

[LorelynF]

I tried the guide, thanks. The kit is ...fun to use - in Bronze.

[Vlainstrike]

I want very much to like this character, but:

1) we need the ability to reclaim misplaced mines

2) bow should not be auto-aim (or should at least have a 'manual' option), and should be able to do headshots (otherwise damage should be increased because there's nothing the bow can do that a carnifex can't do quicker and better)

3) something needs to be done to increase his survivability

Modifié par Vlainstrike, 04 mars 2013 - 05:27 .

[Eric Fagnan]

Aytanay wrote...

Thank you, I was wondering about some things that you answered in this thread.
I would only sugest that when the grab hand is avaiable that he would grab instead of shooting, but it is great to fire arrows from cover.

He is supposed to grab enemies over cover when the hand comes up. If this is not the case, it might be a timing/lag issue or some kind of bug we are not aware of.

[Felhand]

I like the character fundamentally but the bow getting 'hung up' made him very hit or miss (or in this case, just stand there pointing his fist at them for several extra seconds) hes somewhat squishy but thats easy to get around unless he gets stuck or ambushed, then hes pretty much dirt napping.

[SapientesGladio]

Reported

This helps as much as a remote with no batteries.
..well it helps up to a silver level.
but he still has bugs in his pants

Modifié par SapientesGladio, 04 mars 2013 - 06:27 .

[Litefire]

Eric Fagnan wrote...

Aytanay wrote...

Thank you, I was wondering about some things that you answered in this thread.
I would only sugest that when the grab hand is avaiable that he would grab instead of shooting, but it is great to fire arrows from cover.

He is supposed to grab enemies over cover when the hand comes up. If this is not the case, it might be a timing/lag issue or some kind of bug we are not aware of.

even hosting this is not happening, he stands up and fires his bow using light melee.   To consistantly get grabs it requires tiliting the camera during the grab icon so the only target you see in the grab target and then HOLDING melee and praying that you dont stand up(it's a 50/50 toss up from personal experiance.(btw i did the 200+ waves on gold with him )

[NuclearTech76]

Eric Fagnan wrote...

Aytanay wrote...

Thank you, I was wondering about some things that you answered in this thread.
I would only sugest that when the grab hand is avaiable that he would grab instead of shooting, but it is great to fire arrows from cover.

He is supposed to grab enemies over cover when the hand comes up. If this is not the case, it might be a timing/lag issue or some kind of bug we are not aware of.

It's lag. I tested it on host then off.

As long as you have the grab icon and do not have another hit box on another enemy up, he will grab. Off host it is very unreliable. It's like it can't choose between ranged melee shot or initiating the grab. If you wait a brief pause before initiating the grab it usually works. It works on hunters and slow enemies but usually on quicker enemies like the Nemesis it will not work.

[Yilduz]

Durzo___Blint wrote...

@Yilduz - apparently (I haven't played him for a few days) press and hold melee when in hard cover to do the grab

Thanks

Like many other players i've tried many times to get the over-cover grab. I've just done a few games running toward the ennemy, get to cover, and try to grab them, but 80% of the time i just get up and fire the bow. Then dodge, run, get cover, stand up...

Sort of an epic and very enjoyable ballet, in a sense.

NuclearTech76 wrote...

As long as you have the grab icon
and do not have another hit box on another enemy up, he will grab. Off
host it is very unreliable. It's like it can't choose between ranged
melee shot or initiating the grab. If you wait a brief pause before
initiating the grab it usually works. It works on hunters and slow
enemies but usually on quicker enemies like the Nemesis it will not
work.

Thank you for the tips. 

Modifié par Yilduz, 04 mars 2013 - 07:52 .

[kwndc]

Very appreciated.

This was my "Free" character and I have been struggling to get anything really good going with him.

Will re-spec tonight and give it another go.

Of course I also just got the Geth Juggernaur last night so gotta try him out also.

Decisions, decisions?????

Modifié par kwndc, 04 mars 2013 - 10:10 .

[Fly064]

OneTrueShot wrote...

I think the problem isn't how 'good' he is, it's his viability in gold. I used that exact same build on Gold along with two other players whom I consider wholly competent, and the only conclusion we could come to for Gold and above is to spec full power damage and use the cain mines whilst using him as a dynamic weapons platform, only using the bow as a debuff instead of an offensive.

this!
even on platinum he's overkill when you just keep using his mines and never(!) use the bow, a handgun is much better and easier to handel

if you nerf this character pls
* increase his shields a little
* maybe add some more power damage

and that's it!

forget about the hunter using the bow, traps are much more efficent

[Drkr_Zen]

The best tip I can muster for Omni-Bow use is don't use it... 

I'm playing a game where I can throw ice, dash into an enemy in a blue streak with over 1000N of force, roast enemies with a handheld flamethrower, and suck the life out of them to add to my own at the flick of the wrist... why, OH why, am I going to want to fire arrows?

Leave the bows n' arrows for Dragon Age, BioWare... lol. 

That said, he's still a fun weapons user and the Cain Mines are decent. There's only one or two Engineers I really enjoy playing, Geth being one of them, so he'll be a nice change of pace and a means to honor Sachs, since he's Zaeed with a weird mask.

Modifié par Drkr_Zen, 05 mars 2013 - 12:26 .

[BACON4BREAKFAST]

Still waitin on dem keybinds

[sparkydeltorro]

Talon is a beast with Cain mines.

[Hermes_tri]

He is my favourite character now! I have specced him all for the melee damages and power bonuses, like Op said, and he is pretty viable on Gold. I have specced into AP arrows and cain mines(which are good but not reliable damage). One long omni-bow shot with AP arrows loaded kills marauder, 2 shots Ravager and about 4 shots banshees armor(bit less effective on the barriers). Brutes are also about 3-4 shots(bleed damage).

But, there is one catch : ONLY play him as a host. Otherwise his omni-bow is just terrible.