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#451
RoNiN2X

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Using the build in OP ive managed to get by on platinum, can hold my own reasonably well on Gold. I like this guys, just not liking having to host all the time for the most part. But such is life for many chars.

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CrashBuG wrote...

Engineering Kit V increased the omni bow... a fraction more than than what Melee equipment does....
And there is no over the cover grab, wtf?
I use thumb mouse button for ops survival pack...which doesn't work for talon mercenary.... 0_0?


You can definitely over cover grab with him.. I was doing it last night, on PC at least.  Have to "hold down" the melee key when you see the icon instead of just tapping.

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WaffleCrab wrote...

The Shadow Broker wrote...

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The Shadow Broker wrote...

talon merc and cabal absolutely suck in higher difficulties: The rest kits are balanced and very funny so PLEASE ERIC, dont touch em, some people were asking for no insta kill for krogan warlords also like the juggernaut; but i dont know the juggernaut ridiculous slow speed and no being able to take cover compensates that imo.

I only would buff those 2 characters-Cabal and Talon- (at least more shields and life 25%) and the Adas that is no very popular and not near the SP version. Also add the chakram!


I dont see how cabal sucks, unless ofcourse, you rely only on PS.


excuse me what is PS, im a bit confussed

the life and shield really suck at platinum for cabal, get you moving almost all the time and taking cover  to recover them with no time to really shoot; and the powers abilities are short ranged oriented, and in platinum with praetorians and banshees chasing you and phanthoms everywhere is not a smart idea to get close to use those poison abilities.At least the rest of the vanguards can recharge shields with the biotic charge, so this kit is not as rewarded for being in close combat like the rest of vanguards.


poison strike, newb.


cant imagine every acronym you have in mind, not even included here https://docs.google....ViZjU1ckE#gid=0

btw joined before you, newb :ph34r:


nub, check cabal which of the skills names woukd make acronym PS


yo looks like you have a bad day, want a cookie?

#454
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I want to use this character for some omni-bow awesomeness.

Not some damn trip mine op bs


Fix him

#455
WaffleCrab

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The Shadow Broker wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

The Shadow Broker wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

The Shadow Broker wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

The Shadow Broker wrote...

talon merc and cabal absolutely suck in higher difficulties: The rest kits are balanced and very funny so PLEASE ERIC, dont touch em, some people were asking for no insta kill for krogan warlords also like the juggernaut; but i dont know the juggernaut ridiculous slow speed and no being able to take cover compensates that imo.

I only would buff those 2 characters-Cabal and Talon- (at least more shields and life 25%) and the Adas that is no very popular and not near the SP version. Also add the chakram!


I dont see how cabal sucks, unless ofcourse, you rely only on PS.


excuse me what is PS, im a bit confussed

the life and shield really suck at platinum for cabal, get you moving almost all the time and taking cover  to recover them with no time to really shoot; and the powers abilities are short ranged oriented, and in platinum with praetorians and banshees chasing you and phanthoms everywhere is not a smart idea to get close to use those poison abilities.At least the rest of the vanguards can recharge shields with the biotic charge, so this kit is not as rewarded for being in close combat like the rest of vanguards.


poison strike, newb.


cant imagine every acronym you have in mind, not even included here https://docs.google....ViZjU1ckE#gid=0

btw joined before you, newb :ph34r:


nub, check cabal which of the skills names woukd make acronym PS


yo looks like you have a bad day, want a cookie?


i do not need a cookie, as much as you need to acquire new glasses ;D read the whole sentences from now on with thought maybe?

Besides you wouldnt have the cookies i like anyway ;D

Modifié par WaffleCrab, 12 mars 2013 - 08:09 .


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Cohen le Barbare

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The Shadow Broker wrote...
excuse me what is PS, im a bit confussed

the life and shield really suck at platinum for cabal, get you moving almost all the time and taking cover  to recover them with no time to really shoot; and the powers abilities are short ranged oriented, and in platinum with praetorians and banshees chasing you and phanthoms everywhere is not a smart idea to get close to use those poison abilities.At least the rest of the vanguards can recharge shields with the biotic charge, so this kit is not as rewarded for being in close combat like the rest of vanguards.

cabal tip: spam biotic focus like you would biotic charge. All of a sudden, she doesn't suck anymore. I had some problems with her in the beginning, but no longer.

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Cohen le Barbare wrote...

cabal tip: spam biotic focus like you would biotic charge. All of a sudden, she doesn't suck anymore. I had some problems with her in the beginning, but no longer.


Biotic Focus spam is almost half as good as Biotic Charge spam.

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I just tested the improvements on a Gold, collector, off-host match. I was using a nearly pure bow build (3/6/6/5/6) and I was working with an EDI-bot, a melee Krogan Sentinel and a cain-mine focused Talon.

I ended up topping the match, shortly followed by the Cain mine user, with the others trailing off behind. While I admit the other players were a little less experienced, or at least a little less skilled, that's a pretty good sign, especially since it took multiple hits on targets due to off-hosting problems.

Take whatever I say however you like. He's gold-worthy now, although I will say straight out that the concussion arrows really need a damage buff to make that shield modifier actually do something. Recharges are nice, considering that I have about 40 seconds while using a lv. VIII Crusader with a omni-blade and no equipment or gear.

#459
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i still have one question about the Talon merc's bow: the rank 5 damage over time effect of both special arrow variants very oftenly does not apply off-host when you hit someone with the last of the 3 arrow-charges stored - does it get delivered instantly instead, or does it get lost in the webspace?

because i do not spec in the DoT-evo's of him anymore as always when i hit someone with it and then his hitpoint bar does not show the DoT effect - i get dissatisfied as i fear that i lost damage output due to the kit being buggy - but if the damage would get delivered instantly instead, it wouldn't bother me.

please, can somebody answer this for me?
because i am a little too short on respec-cards for that extensive testing myself (got only 2 of them outta the last 3 spent millions - while beeing a maxed-manifester/ 16 former promo-weapons left to go - and i also never promote).

#460
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 The Talon Engineer is very buggy;

Omnibow: His melee is very weak, I expected after maxing out his melee and using 2 melee mods and a melee mod with my gun to 1 hit most enemys but even Maurauders take 2-3 melees. Also it doesn't hit the target half of the time even when locked on I find myself standing there leaving my character exposed and not hitting the target. It doesn't work when behind cover.

Cane Trip Mine: The trip mines don't always work; they stick on angles or backwrds making them useless but the worste is that they show that they are active even when they are not. I've had 10 perminently stay up showing that they were active through all 11 waves, but were not active, making it impossible to tell what was working and what was not. 

Modifié par r2d2111x, 14 mars 2013 - 03:13 .


#461
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I'm not gonna lie, I would desperately like access to both bow powers without sacrificing access to my op packs. AP is awesome but concussive is my panic button for enemies who pop up in front of me.

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http://social.biowar.../index/16268802

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I'm using him as a very mobile weapons platform. No matter how I spec him, the omni bow is really only good for the base enemies, but the Cain mines are great for laying traps and protecting my back while I shoot.

I've been ousting the M-11 to great effect even though I only have it at level 4,

I recommend fixing the lag time for shooting the omni bow, buff AP,and allow more than 3 mines at a time. Also, fix the mines. To many times, enemies walk through and Banshees never set them off.

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A bow build with a grenade-type weapon like the scorpion/falcon/etc is a lot of fun.

Basically use weapons that are irregular because you have the omnibow to supplement normal direct shots

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ROBOTICSUPERMAN

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Since the balance changes, this guy is one of my favourite characters. :)

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yup the talon merc is a fun to run around with, especially with the right build. Melee/APA max out does serious damage & spam those CA in a jam, can get you out of some serious trouble quickly.

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scratch my comments.. talon is.. insane..
if you place the mines correctly and if they trigger.. you will own everything.. even primes in gold get melted by 3-4 of them.. bonus if you pack bunch of enemies next to the primes..

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I agree concussive would be the most effective option for me..

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ROBOTICSUPERMAN wrote...

Since the balance changes, this guy is one of my favourite characters. :)


Mine too. Before the balance changes I was lucky to get through a gold run but know he's suitable for platinum runs. I'm using a 6/6/0/6/6 with cain trip mines maxed out for damge and concussive arrows for debuffing. I think AP arrow are obsolete because I have the Blood Pack Punisher modded with high velocity barrel so there is no problem with armor. Shielded and unshielded enemis are just cannon fodder for concussive arrows and my harrier. But always stick with your squad mates and don't get too close to the enemy because you can't take much fire plus you can't melee. Very fun and tactical class to play.  

#470
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I freaking love this guy, easily one of my favorite characters.

#471
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After the update making him shoot more arrows, I've really been enjoying doing that. But I have many quirks with him
The targeting. You can not choose the way your arrows will be shot; they will always be shot directly, so you can't hit a covered enemy (like you can with, say, throw).
The light melee seems purposeless. I can't consistently kill a husk at close range, or anything else for that matter.
Sometimes the arrows will completely miss. I've had this happen 3 times in a row.
And lastly, how you can't hit a strafing target. I don't have a problem with missing a rolling Marauder, but when I can't hit it 'cause it's moving sideways, that's just stupid.

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QuantumSam wrote...

I'm using him as a very mobile weapons platform. No matter how I spec him, the omni bow is really only good for the base enemies, but the Cain mines are great for laying traps and protecting my back while I shoot.

I've been ousting the M-11 to great effect even though I only have it at level 4,

I recommend fixing the lag time for shooting the omni bow, buff AP,and allow more than 3 mines at a time. Also, fix the mines. To many times, enemies walk through and Banshees never set them off.


The Omni-Bow with AP Arrows destroys Bosses

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Cilada Bino

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sucks to be him =/

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TheThirdSpectre wrote...

QuantumSam wrote...

I'm using him as a very mobile weapons platform. No matter how I spec him, the omni bow is really only good for the base enemies, but the Cain mines are great for laying traps and protecting my back while I shoot.

I've been ousting the M-11 to great effect even though I only have it at level 4,

I recommend fixing the lag time for shooting the omni bow, buff AP,and allow more than 3 mines at a time. Also, fix the mines. To many times, enemies walk through and Banshees never set them off.


The Omni-Bow with AP Arrows destroys Bosses


only if you have maxed melee, and only against armor.

I prefer cains, more explosive, hits more enemies than one.. and you can pack them constantly.

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Alright, this is going to sound ridiculous but, the falcon is awesome with the Talon. Falcon for stun locks, lets you set up your omni bow. combine that with a shotgun both with omni blades. Easy.