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[Jallard]

I am so close to finishing this game. But I cannot under any circumstances defeat Logain. I am so sick of guessing the the dialog sequence to get him into a duel. I just want to end the game. Can someone please, please help me. Thank you. How do you defeat him?

Modifié par Jallard, 11 janvier 2010 - 10:45 .

[Jallard]

Right! It isn't working. I have tried three times already. If I have to cheat as use a "God" mode then I will do it.

[PatT2]

I'm guessing this is your first playthrough and your first character build.



Have you tried putting it on casual?

The reason I said that is that I found my first character too ill-equipped and poorly built to finish the game. I scrapped it and started again. Paying much more attention to

a) getting as much gold as possible (side quests/stealing, etc) so I could buy some of the really high-level equipment for my main and primary team members.

being very careful to spend my points to maximize my favorite attribuites, not spreading them around. You need to be very good at a few things, not mediocre at many.

c) having as much experience going into that part of the game, again meaning doing as many quests and things as possible. If you arrive at the landsmeet before level 20, you've missed too much. It can stillb e done but you'll be much less efficient a fighter and it will be more difficult.



Your main character *should* be the most powerful in your party. You get 7 levels of free attributes in the fade alone, that nobody else gets. You should be godlike without cheating. I have fallen in that fight, but usually as a result of a mistake I made during the fight. Later characters have not fallen more than once, sometimes none.



If is possible to build a less-than-optimal character that can win the game. But a very first character, before you know how things work, it is also possible to miss enough or skip enough to make a character that can't cut it.

Can you/have you beat the high dragon?

Gaxkang?

They're both tougher fights than Loghain.

In order to get to the part where you do not have to have a huge fight, only a duel, you need to have enough votes in the landsmeet. That means getting people on your side before the landsmeet, by freeing people in a certain dungeon, etc.



If I had to guess, you skipped some of those?

The dialog is important too.

At the landsmeet...do NOT bring up alistair as king. Do not bring up King Cailan's death. (Let Anora do it). DO bring up slavery in the alienage (you did do that quest, right?) DO bring up that the blight is the real threat. Do bring up that Loghain used an apostate mage.



I hope all this helps. It's fun enough to play the game through more than once. If your character needs more power, equipment or xp, go back and do more stuff (via a prior save) or build another character and find more side quests and buy the best equipment and become more uber.



No cheats required. But some planning does. I'm always level 20 or higher by landsmeet time, without doing anything unusual.

[SusanStoHelit]

It really depends on who you have available and how you've set them up.

Alistair can do it easily if you've built him right. The same is true for any of the others. Morrigan can wipe the floor with Loghain.

Alistair with Shield Wall, strength at 35 + 7, dex at max (can't remember the exact figure but much higher). Loghain can barely touch him. Shield Bash him, Pummel, whatever as they become available, and auto-attack the rest.

Edit: the same is true for all of the others, and especially for the PC. Build your characters right and it's not a problem. Now Ser Cauthrien is a whole different kettle of fish.

If you want specifics on other characters/champions, we'd need to know who you have with you, and what their builds are like.

Modifié par SusanStoHelit, 11 janvier 2010 - 11:09 .

[pibian]

when i did it i had every just aiming at logain as the dialogue comes to duel him just before you kill him in the mass brawl

[Jallard]

PatT2 wrote...

I'm guessing this is your first playthrough and your first character build.

Have you tried putting it on casual?
The reason I said that is that I found my first character too ill-equipped and poorly built to finish the game. I scrapped it and started again. Paying much more attention to
a) getting as much gold as possible (side quests/stealing, etc) so I could buy some of the really high-level equipment for my main and primary team members.
being very careful to spend my points to maximize my favorite attribuites, not spreading them around. You need to be very good at a few things, not mediocre at many.
c) having as much experience going into that part of the game, again meaning doing as many quests and things as possible. If you arrive at the landsmeet before level 20, you've missed too much. It can stillb e done but you'll be much less efficient a fighter and it will be more difficult.

Your main character *should* be the most powerful in your party. You get 7 levels of free attributes in the fade alone, that nobody else gets. You should be godlike without cheating. I have fallen in that fight, but usually as a result of a mistake I made during the fight. Later characters have not fallen more than once, sometimes none.

If is possible to build a less-than-optimal character that can win the game. But a very first character, before you know how things work, it is also possible to miss enough or skip enough to make a character that can't cut it.
Can you/have you beat the high dragon?
Gaxkang?
They're both tougher fights than Loghain.
In order to get to the part where you do not have to have a huge fight, only a duel, you need to have enough votes in the landsmeet. That means getting people on your side before the landsmeet, by freeing people in a certain dungeon, etc.

If I had to guess, you skipped some of those?
The dialog is important too.
At the landsmeet...do NOT bring up alistair as king. Do not bring up King Cailan's death. (Let Anora do it). DO bring up slavery in the alienage (you did do that quest, right?) DO bring up that the blight is the real threat. Do bring up that Loghain used an apostate mage.

I hope all this helps. It's fun enough to play the game through more than once. If your character needs more power, equipment or xp, go back and do more stuff (via a prior save) or build another character and find more side quests and buy the best equipment and become more uber.

No cheats required. But some planning does. I'm always level 20 or higher by landsmeet time, without doing anything unusual.

Thanks for upsetting me, knowing that I can't win the first time around!?! That's not what I paid for. I spent a lot of hours and spent a lot of money on this game no win the first time around. (But, that's just my opinion.)  Incidentally, the game has been on "easy" the whole time.   How do you get to level twenty?  As far as I know, I have played through the entire game?!?

By the way, where do I find this Gaxkang?

Here is my main character's attributes at level 16; at the Landsmeet:

Strength - 35
Dexterity - 35
Willpower - 18
Magic - 14
Cunning - 26
Constitution - 30

Alister:

Strength - 31
Dexterity - 31
Willpower - 18
Magic - 14
Cunning
- 13
Constitution - 21

Morrigan:

Strength - 22

Dexterity - 15

Willpower - 25

Magic - 50

Cunning
- 13

Constitution - 12

Lelianna:

Strength - 31

Dexterity - 32

Willpower - 18

Magic - 14

Cunning
- 25

Constitution - 17

I am so depressed. I have spent a lot of hours playing.

Modifié par Jallard, 11 janvier 2010 - 11:30 .

[Cuuniyevo]

Once you're already there, it's a bit too late to change your character build, but if you're having trouble as a warrior, try using a rogue or mage from your party. Use coatings and flasks if you have them. You can also use Swift Salve, Rock Salve, and lots of poultices. Wear any items you have that increase physical resistance to prevent him from stunning you. As a Mage, I recommend anything that would slow him down or reduce his attack or resistances. Anything that deals damage over time is good too, because they frequently stack. If you get low on health, don't be afraid to use Force Field on him. It makes him invincible, yeah, but it also gives you time to get your health and mana back up or cast some glyphs or a big AoE that you normally would get interrupted casting. I failed my first time using Alistair because he was wearing the Juggernaut's armor, which protects against magic. After switching him to the Legion of the Dead's armor, it was still tough, but much much easier.



Good luck.

[soteria]

Can you use poisons? If so, use 'em, and use the flasks, too, they do pretty good damage. If by chance you have herbalism, you can make poultices in the middle of combat, chug as many as you need.

Edit:  Morrigan looks like she has good stats.  Use her.  Cast vulnerability hex first thing, and followup with sleep if you have it.  Then cast horror (either way).  Cast Winter's Grasp.  Cast Cone of Cold if you have it.  Cast Lightning.  Soon he will be hitting you, cast mind blast.  He should be getting low on health at this point.  Finish him off with whatever spells you have available.

Modifié par soteria, 11 janvier 2010 - 11:34 .

[Jallard]

How do I build these characters, strong and stupid? I spent probably 2 hours trying to beat him three different times. I know that this tactic thing and character building is fun for some, but having to repeat and repeat and repeat is not fun. I want to see the end of the game. That's what I paid for.

[SusanStoHelit]

Jallard wrote...

Here is my main character's attributes at level 16; at the Landsmeet:

Strength - 35
Dexterity - 35
Willpower - 18
Magic - 14
Cunning - 26
Constitution - 30

Alister:

Strength - 31
Dexterity - 31
Willpower - 18
Magic - 14
Cunning
- 13
Constitution - 21

Morrigan:

Strength - 22

Dexterity - 15

Willpower - 25

Magic - 50

Cunning
- 13

Constitution - 12

Lelianna:

Strength - 31

Dexterity - 32

Willpower - 18

Magic - 14

Cunning
- 25

Constitution - 17

I am so depressed. I have spent a lot of hours playing.

I am not saying this to upset you or depress you further, so please take it as helpful advice, but I'm afraid that you simply haven't understood how to build effective characters. My first run through I made a lot of dumb mistakes because I didn't know how to do that either. So I actually deleted that character and started again.

That said. If you're on the pc you can get the respec mod and change their stats.

social.bioware.com/project/469/

You could also try reading the in the character builds forum below this one to see how other people build their characters. Now, I realise (having done it myself) that this can be daunting and time consuming. If you would like some pointers - or links to some useful information available on the forum, please send me a pm and I will oblige if I'm able.

Good luck. Don't give up. It's just a matter of learning what works and what doesn't (and why).

[swk3000]

Jallard wrote...
Thanks for upsetting me, knowing that I can't win the first time around!?! That's not what I paid for. I spent a lot of hours and spent a lot of money on this game no win the first time around. (But, that's just my opinion.)  Incidentally, the game has been on "easy" the whole time.   How do you get to level twenty?  As far as I know, I have played through the entire game?!?

They're not saying it's impossible to win the fight on your first character. They're saying that when they played, their first character was rather bad because they knew next to nothing about how the game worked. When they started learning, they scrapped their characters in favor of making a character that knew exactly what they were doing.

I'd love to help you beat this fight, but I can't with just your stats. I'd need to know what your class is, what weapon you're using, and what skills you have.

Also, I hate to be the one to say it, but it looks like you're finding out that you made some mistakes with your character build. I'll try to help you beat it with what you have, but it may come down to the fact that you need to re-start and make a better character. It sucks, but that's just how it is.

[Jallard]

swk3000 wrote...

Jallard wrote...
Thanks for upsetting me, knowing that I can't win the first time around!?! That's not what I paid for. I spent a lot of hours and spent a lot of money on this game no win the first time around. (But, that's just my opinion.)  Incidentally, the game has been on "easy" the whole time.   How do you get to level twenty?  As far as I know, I have played through the entire game?!?

They're not saying it's impossible to win the fight on your first character. They're saying that when they played, their first character was rather bad because they knew next to nothing about how the game worked. When they started learning, they scrapped their characters in favor of making a character that knew exactly what they were doing.

I'd love to help you beat this fight, but I can't with just your stats. I'd need to know what your class is, what weapon you're using, and what skills you have.

Also, I hate to be the one to say it, but it looks like you're finding out that you made some mistakes with your character build. I'll try to help you beat it with what you have, but it may come down to the fact that you need to re-start and make a better character. It sucks, but that's just how it is.

Reading the forums could takes hours and days. I want play not read forums. I am a huma warrior weilding duel weapons.

I like using human warriors. Not Mages or stupid Elves. Having Lelianna as a Rogue is just fine for me. The point is, how do I vreate my chatacters stat and attitibute wise. As I said before, do I keep them stongh and stupid or what?

Modifié par Jallard, 12 janvier 2010 - 12:02 .

[fluxcage]

Another poster has pretty well summarized how to get the duel from the dialog.

How are you set for health poultices? Are you using them?

Level 16 seems rather low for Landsmeet. But I wouldn't give up yet.

I beat Logain last night using Alistair (first playthrough). My Alistair is not so great, and I realize I don't know how to best play him, but the health poultices kept him going until victory.

I had several versions of health poultices on the quickbar, so while one was version cooling down after use, I could still quickly use another version. Also, Logain is going to hit you while the health poultice is taking effect, so you should not let your health get too low. I found that I gained more from the poultices than I lost being hit while using them, so I won in the end.

It felt kind of cheap using all the poultices, but I've learned that it's OK to feel cheap at times in this game.

[Jallard]

SusanStoHelit wrote...

Jallard wrote...

Here is my main character's attributes at level 16; at the Landsmeet:

Strength - 35
Dexterity - 35
Willpower - 18
Magic - 14
Cunning - 26
Constitution - 30

Alister:

Strength - 31
Dexterity - 31
Willpower - 18
Magic - 14
Cunning
- 13
Constitution - 21

Morrigan:

Strength - 22

Dexterity - 15

Willpower - 25

Magic - 50

Cunning
- 13

Constitution - 12

Lelianna:

Strength - 31

Dexterity - 32

Willpower - 18

Magic - 14

Cunning
- 25

Constitution - 17

I am so depressed. I have spent a lot of hours playing.

I am not saying this to upset you or depress you further, so please take it as helpful advice, but I'm afraid that you simply haven't understood how to build effective characters. My first run through I made a lot of dumb mistakes because I didn't know how to do that either. So I actually deleted that character and started again.

That said. If you're on the pc you can get the respec mod and change their stats.

social.bioware.com/project/469/

You could also try reading the in the character builds forum below this one to see how other people build their characters. Now, I realise (having done it myself) that this can be daunting and time consuming. If you would like some pointers - or links to some useful information available on the forum, please send me a pm and I will oblige if I'm able.

Good luck. Don't give up. It's just a matter of learning what works and what doesn't (and why).

I can't install the update. Go figure. I get this BS error: "Connot ind "DAUpdater.xml file." Jesus Christ.

[swk3000]

If you're Dual Wielding, try Riposte. It's a two-hit attack with a possiblity to stun, allowing you to get free damage in. Also, stock up on Health Poultices. On the Console version, the B button is pre-set with the Quick Heal command (which uses the most appropriate Health Poultice, instead of a specific one), so I left it there and just stocked up on Poultices throughout the game. A massive stack of Health Poultices can seriously swing a fight in your favor, if only because you have more staying power.

[Kuraiken]

I have no idea how you can have problems against Loghain.



I did him on my first try on hard without potions as a warrior and it *really* is simple.



For starters, if you really cannot kill him, equip enough potions and use them. The easy way.



As for the fight?

Depends on what skills you have. Use something that disables him.



I was a shield warrior with about 76 dps unbuffed (128 buffed), Berserker/Champion spec.



First I'd use the Champion shout to blast him down, activate rally, activate Bloodlust (the Ability you can get in Warden's Keep) and Berserkerrage, then I'd knock him to the ground, circle around and attack him from behind, attack with the shield technique that dazes him, then i'd use overpower and assault and by the time he's up and ready again, my shout is almost back from its cooldown. Which means after 1-2 seconds in shield wall stance (to reduce damage and prevent him from knocking me around) I could start from the beginning.



Makes it really easy to defeat Loghain without Potions, without anything on Hard difficulty. If you pull it off right with a good character, you might not even recieve more then 50% damage on your character.



Loghain's a wimp.

[Jallard]

swk3000 wrote...

If you're Dual Wielding, try Riposte. It's a two-hit attack with a possiblity to stun, allowing you to get free damage in. Also, stock up on Health Poultices. On the Console version, the B button is pre-set with the Quick Heal command (which uses the most appropriate Health Poultice, instead of a specific one), so I left it there and just stocked up on Poultices throughout the game. A massive stack of Health Poultices can seriously swing a fight in your favor, if only because you have more staying power.

Looks like I have to restart this ****ing game all over again for the third frigging time. Jesus ****ing Christ.

[tevikolady]

First off people. This guy comes running to teh forums every other day saying how hard the game is and how he can't beat the game. He's looking for cheat codes, and nothing else, don't give him any. The way most people learn how to play a game is by playing it. If he can't get through this on his own, let him throw a tantrum and throw his $80 game away. He'll be better off for it.



If he continues to struggle through the game, and beat the encouters on his own, he'll be taht much better for it. My first time through, I made mistakes. I spen 6 hours trying to be Brank the first time, but I didn't come to the forums crying for cheat codes or help. I just finally found a method to help me win. Am I better for it, yes, I think so. Now I can breeze through it, even on Nightmare.



He has to live with the decisions he made. So did I, but you can still do it, he just has to figure out how. So stop giving him advice, and I'd almost go as far as saying ignore him. I wouldn't say this to anyone else genuinely looking for advice. But every day and crying and screaming for cheat codes every time he gets *stuck* really gets under my skin.



Please do not encourage him.

[Jallard]

**** you Tevilkolady!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[swk3000]

Jallard wrote...

swk3000 wrote...

If you're Dual Wielding, try Riposte. It's a two-hit attack with a possiblity to stun, allowing you to get free damage in. Also, stock up on Health Poultices. On the Console version, the B button is pre-set with the Quick Heal command (which uses the most appropriate Health Poultice, instead of a specific one), so I left it there and just stocked up on Poultices throughout the game. A massive stack of Health Poultices can seriously swing a fight in your favor, if only because you have more staying power.

Looks like I have to restart this ****ing game all over again for the third frigging time. Jesus ****ing Christ.

I've had over a dozen different characters, and that was just for the Rogue. I also made a Mage, and I started through on a Warrior early on. I'm a Reset Button Addict.

[kgav]

It's important to remember the game has a soft level cap of about lvl 25. The enemies in the game are about 1-2 levels higher than you. I would suggest trying to get to lvl 18-20 for the Loghain fight.

Are you playing on the PC? If so try this http://social.bioware.com/project/469/
lets you re-spend all your points on your character. Also have lesser, regular, major and potent health pots because you can cycle through them.

Aslo check out: http://dragonage.wik...Legendary_Items 

get a good armor set to wear I prefer heavy armor to massive. I do a dual wield warrior with templar and champion as specializations. with both specialization trees full so Warcry knocks back enemies and Holy Smite stuns enemies add to that Riposte to stun and I have 3 ways to give myself breathing room in a fight.

If you are on the PC and are trying to install Character Respecialization v1.6, go to

C:\\Program Files\\Dragon Age\\bin_ship\\daupdater.exe 

find WRK_RESPEC_MOD_16.dazip and select it and install it. Afterwards launch Dragon Age and select Downloadable Content and go to the right most tab I think it's called installed or loaded content and see if it is listed there.

Modifié par kgav, 12 janvier 2010 - 01:37 .

[SusanStoHelit]

I'm sorry, Jallard, but you can't just 'play the game' and stick points anywhere you feel like it and expect to win. It can't be done.



You need to know what works and what doesn't - and why. For each and every class and companion you use. You don't need to know all the fine mathematical details, you don't have to min/max, but you do need to have a general idea of what works.



For example: strength is unnecessary on mages; a 2-handed weapon warrior needs max strength but a sword and board warrior doesn't (they need some strength, but max dexterity); most rogue builds only need 20 strength (to be able to equip tier 7 light armor).



If you will not read or listen to advice on what works - you will fail.

[Ingahootz]

Jallard... I had a hard time with Loghain on my first play through. Built my first character completely wrong. I over came that fight very easily using 1 thing:



1. Health potions.



Get enough of those and you can beat Loghain naked.

[CptPatch]

The most important thing I've discovered about Loghain is that

His very first action is ALWAYS to Rally (makes his attacks more powerful)

His second action is ALWAYS to use War Cry (which will most likely knock you on your ass).



Knowing this in advance, go with your champion's strengths.



First, before entering the Landsmeet, activate whatever spells/talents you want active during the duel. Rally, Shield Wall, Rock Armor, Precise Hitting, whatever. Do it now and it _should_ be already in place when the duel starts.



Once the duel actually starts, your object is to try to disable Loghain IMMEDIATELY.

For a Mage, Cone of Cold works fantastically well. Otherwise, use Stonefist.

For a Warrior, go with Overwhelm (Loghain can resist Shield Bash and Shield Pummel.)

For a Rogue, you can _try_ Dirty Fighting.



Thereafter, use your class' strengths.

Mage -- attack him from as far away as possible. Winter's Grasp, Drain Life, Lightning Bolt, whatever. Do NOT let him get in your face. ("That would be....bad.")

Rogue -- Backstab as much as possible. Don't be afraid to run away to put some distance between you. If you have at least Stealth III, if you can break LOS, you have a good chance of going into Stealth -- after which you sneak up from behind and backstab. (Backstab while Stealthed = auto critical hit.)

Warrior -- manually force your normal attacks; don't wait for the AI to cycle. You constantly clicking = more attacks per minute than if you let the AI cycle attacks on its own. Use your Special Attacks as best you can. Keep up your Shield defenses to cut down on how much he knocks you on your ass.



For all classes: Keep your Health poultices handy. I've never noticed Loghain using any, so all you have to do is NOT hit zero hit points yourself. Also keep track whether or not he gave you an Injury when he landed a critical on you. No sense in trying to fight while impaired. ("That would be....bad.")