Juggernaut is OK. All defence, low offence.
I've never supported nerfing
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#27
Posté 01 mars 2013 - 12:49
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DukeEB wrote...
Doesn't the 150% from cyclonic act on 4600? Or is it applied to base shields without evo upgrades?
How can you tell in game?
Cyclonics, like fitness, are applied to base shields. They're thoroughly wasted on Drell and Vorcha, who benefit more from shield cells to restore their gate faster. You'd have to ask Cyonan or Peddro or one of the other number crunchers about it for more explaination.
#29
Posté 01 mars 2013 - 01:14
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He is IMHO the most powerful kit in this game, in the right hands he simply doesn't go down.
Four of these new kits are very powerful, they are fun to play, for me the Geth novelty wore off pretty fast.
Four of these new kits are very powerful, they are fun to play, for me the Geth novelty wore off pretty fast.
#30
Posté 01 mars 2013 - 01:22
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If he wasn't slow as molasses and weaker vs. collectors, I would agree.
#31
Posté 01 mars 2013 - 01:40
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added some stuff in the original post... worth a read.
#32
Posté 01 mars 2013 - 01:52
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The juggernaut is incredibly balanced. Sure, he can tank a metric ton of damage, but that is the only thing he can do.
- He's incredibly slow, which means trying to do objectives with him is painful
- He can get stun locked by Banshees and every other melee boss
- His damage output is crap
- He cannot take cover or hide behind some things for that matter
- He can go down fairly quickly if in the pressence of a Scion or ravenger.
- Clutches can lead to painstakingly long matches
+ The best tank in the game
Conclusion, you want to nerf the ONE thing he's good at because you don't feel like making credits or having fun seeing these all-mighty bosses struggle to even touch you.
- He's incredibly slow, which means trying to do objectives with him is painful
- He can get stun locked by Banshees and every other melee boss
- His damage output is crap
- He cannot take cover or hide behind some things for that matter
- He can go down fairly quickly if in the pressence of a Scion or ravenger.
- Clutches can lead to painstakingly long matches
+ The best tank in the game
Conclusion, you want to nerf the ONE thing he's good at because you don't feel like making credits or having fun seeing these all-mighty bosses struggle to even touch you.
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#33
Posté 01 mars 2013 - 01:55
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+1Plasma Defender wrote...
The juggernaut is incredibly balanced. Sure, he can tank a metric ton of damage, but that is the only thing he can do.
- He's incredibly slow, which means trying to do objectives with him is painful
- He can get stun locked by Banshees and every other melee boss
- His damage output is crap
- He cannot take cover or hide behind some things for that matter
- He can go down fairly quickly if in the pressence of a Scion or ravenger.
- Clutches can lead to painstakingly long matches
+ The best tank in the game
Conclusion, you want to nerf the ONE thing he's good at because you don't feel like making credits or having fun seeing these all-mighty bosses struggle to even touch you.
#34
Posté 01 mars 2013 - 01:56
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If you're consistently doing Platinum runs with high level of success you are by far not an average player. Gold PUGs are littered with the corpses of every Reckoning class. They aren't overpowered you are just competent.
#35
Posté 01 mars 2013 - 03:43
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He is well balanced.
Wife story never happened, the end.
Wife story never happened, the end.
#36
Posté 01 mars 2013 - 03:45
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Ziegrif wrote...
We need more Edi-bot threads!
She gets all that DR because enemies are too busy staring at her juggs.
It's like the Punisher and the skull except they're gigantic ****** on a robot.
#37
Posté 01 mars 2013 - 03:54
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Nah, he can go down. There are limits to how much you can be swarmed and stay up, even on Gold. And I'm no scrub. Granted, your teammates have to be pretty incompetent, but there's plenty of that to go around.
Not to mention the speed issue. I dropped into a Geth Gold game with a Kroguard. Boy, that was the most boring game I've played in a long time.
Not to mention the speed issue. I dropped into a Geth Gold game with a Kroguard. Boy, that was the most boring game I've played in a long time.
#38
Posté 01 mars 2013 - 04:01
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UnknownMercenary wrote...
Ziegrif wrote...
We need more Edi-bot threads!
She gets all that DR because enemies are too busy staring at her juggs.
It's like the Punisher and the skull except they're gigantic ****** on a robot.
What made you use the word gigantic? So much exaggeration on the internet.
#39
Posté 01 mars 2013 - 04:09
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I run my juggy with the particle rifle X on platinum and score over 100k points. I score over 100k points with basically any kit on Platinum. Really not hard lol
#40
Posté 01 mars 2013 - 04:17
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ElusiveOneN7 wrote...
UnknownMercenary wrote...
Ziegrif wrote...
We need more Edi-bot threads!
She gets all that DR because enemies are too busy staring at her juggs.
It's like the Punisher and the skull except they're gigantic ****** on a robot.
What made you use the word gigantic? So much exaggeration on the internet.
1) Because they are?
2) Her mom butt is also gigantic.
3) Seriously being surprised by hyperbole on the internet?
#41
Posté 01 mars 2013 - 04:18
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He can get swarmed he's not invincible. And his DPS relies on his weapons and melee, but due to his slow movement he has to take big clip weapons and it takes him time to reach places, so it's really low.
Yes he's a tank, but has low DPS and is incredibly slow. There are tanky, faster, and much higher DPS characters.
Yes he's a tank, but has low DPS and is incredibly slow. There are tanky, faster, and much higher DPS characters.
#42
Posté 01 mars 2013 - 04:19
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I see randoms going down with him all the time. mainly because they overestimate how tanky he is and get themselves in situations not even he can survive
#43
Posté 01 mars 2013 - 04:20
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He's not overpowered, he's just got a low skill floor. He would be overpowered, but he's got a low skill ceiling as well.
#44
Posté 01 mars 2013 - 04:24
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PoetryAvenger wrote...
ElusiveOneN7 wrote...
UnknownMercenary wrote...
Ziegrif wrote...
We need more Edi-bot threads!
She gets all that DR because enemies are too busy staring at her juggs.
It's like the Punisher and the skull except they're gigantic ****** on a robot.
What made you use the word gigantic? So much exaggeration on the internet.
1) Because they are?
2) Her mom butt is also gigantic.
3) Seriously being surprised by hyperbole on the internet?
Oh, so they are gigantic and it is in fact hyperbole. <_< Some of you guys clearly like tiny women.
#45
Posté 01 mars 2013 - 04:35
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Your error was using reaper enemies as your example. This character trivializes reapers. Replace that ravager with a scion and I guarentee you would've got down like tissue paper. Or even just a praetorian. Dat Stunlock.
#46
Posté 01 mars 2013 - 04:36
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Jug is the first true specialists tank, also a healer
it is hard to score high with him, but easy to survive. any nerf to his fitness will ruin him forever
it is hard to score high with him, but easy to survive. any nerf to his fitness will ruin him forever
#47
Posté 01 mars 2013 - 04:38
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LC714 wrote...
Your error was using reaper enemies as your example. This character trivializes reapers. Replace that ravager with a scion and I guarentee you would've got down like tissue paper. Or even just a praetorian. Dat Stunlock.
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first run with him was collectors gold, and i'll tell you this: if you got swarmers and can't summon the turret or put up the shield, and there are two preatorians and collector captains tanking you, you're gonna have bad time
#48
Posté 01 mars 2013 - 04:39
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Hmmm...the jug was designed to give us something along the lines of a lesser prime. He's a strong tank, but he's not invincible...i've seen Jugs go down left and right in the past few days (and maybe these are just learning curves) but even so...i just don't feel nerfing him will do him justice.
You survived that fisiaco you mentioned in your original post seems pretty rare...not saying you didn't do it, but i think for most part...most folks play on the lesser levels in gold and silver and not everybody is going to play at the skill level you displayed above, even if they are veterans....if any kit feels ovverpowered to anybody, i say just take them to platinum...there are difficulties in Multiplayer for a reason.
Nerfing a character may sound good to you, but may end up being disasterous for somebody else.
You survived that fisiaco you mentioned in your original post seems pretty rare...not saying you didn't do it, but i think for most part...most folks play on the lesser levels in gold and silver and not everybody is going to play at the skill level you displayed above, even if they are veterans....if any kit feels ovverpowered to anybody, i say just take them to platinum...there are difficulties in Multiplayer for a reason.
Nerfing a character may sound good to you, but may end up being disasterous for somebody else.
#49
Posté 01 mars 2013 - 04:39
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ElusiveOneN7 wrote...
PoetryAvenger wrote...
ElusiveOneN7 wrote...
UnknownMercenary wrote...
Ziegrif wrote...
We need more Edi-bot threads!
She gets all that DR because enemies are too busy staring at her juggs.
It's like the Punisher and the skull except they're gigantic ****** on a robot.
What made you use the word gigantic? So much exaggeration on the internet.
1) Because they are?
2) Her mom butt is also gigantic.
3) Seriously being surprised by hyperbole on the internet?
Oh, so they are gigantic and it is in fact hyperbole. <_< Some of you guys clearly like tiny women.
On a serious note; yes, things can actually be modified by adjectives commonly used to describe extreme states of being without actually implicitly meaning just that. Point out to me where the word "literally" was ever used in conjunction with "gigantic".
Also if you think it's ridiculous to point out that the facsimilie-breasts on the AIU are larger than that of the average woman, then saying any women with a smaller figure than the AIU is tiny is kind of square peg in a round hole, if you get my drift.
#50
Posté 01 mars 2013 - 04:45
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PoetryAvenger wrote...
On a serious note; yes, things can actually be modified by adjectives commonly used to describe extreme states of being without actually implicitly meaning just that. Point out to me where the word "literally" was ever used in conjunction with "gigantic".
Also if you think it's ridiculous to point out that the facsimilie-breasts on the AIU are larger than that of the average woman, then saying any women with a smaller figure than the AIU is tiny is kind of square peg in a round hole, if you get my drift.
You took this far too seriously, maybe the person I was talking to should have replied. I have an understanding that this is subjective, it wasn't meant to become a semantic debate about nothing of importance.
