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[ryanshowseason3]

So in everyone's opinion which is superior? Or is their a superior?

3 hit combo or heavy melee spam?

[N7Redeemed]

This is a great thread, with some very useful information.

My questions regarding whether the omni-blade on the shotgun or the two pistol mods were jmore useful, and whether to take power or melee damage on tech armor were answered in this thread.

Already decided to spec out of electric hammer from the beginning. Thank you to everyone who crunched these numbers.

Modifié par oriolesfan5, 01 mars 2013 - 08:58 .

[mrcanada]

So fire or cryo on EH? And what's the consensus on evo 6 for biotic hammer?

[MetalDeggial]

I've respecced this guy 3 times and have found nothing that I think is optimal for him, except for the full health regen evos in fitness, which are incredible for tanking.

Should I still be using a Shotgun Omni-Blade even though I've not taken any melee bonuses in his fitness tree and went full power damage in Tech Armor and passives? I'm currently using the Melee Stunner and Power Amplification mod thingy with a Talon, but I just don't know if I would be better served using an Omni-Blade instead. After trying without any consumbles, I noticed I was just doing more damage with the pistol equipped instead of the shottie.

Kinda confused tbh.

[corlist]

MetalDeggial wrote...

Should I still be using a Shotgun Omni-Blade even though I've not taken any melee bonuses in his fitness tree and went full power damage in Tech Armor and passives? I'm currently using the Melee Stunner and Power Amplification mod thingy with a Talon, but I just don't know if I would be better served using an Omni-Blade instead. After trying without any consumbles, I noticed I was just doing more damage with the pistol equipped instead of the shottie.

Kinda confused tbh.

If you have full power damage on TA and passives all the more should you use a shotgun omniblade V.
Power mag + stunner will do more damage on only biotic hammer and only if you took recharge in the hammer and have no power bonuses elsewhere. The amount of melee damage you will lose is hardly worth this tradeoff.

Unless there's some bug which I'm not aware of regarding power mag + stunner, this should be the case.

[J4mes]

 Is it possible to OSOK a Phantom or Brute?

[IanLai]

question:
multiplier bonuses:
biotic hammer: 50% bonus to armour evo (5B) gives 1.75x
electrical hammer: 75% bonus to shields and barriers (4A) gives 1.75x

biotic hammer why is 1.75x? not 1.5x

i want to know how the 1.75x for EH apply , can u show the formula please
say for example altas/Prime which u can't clear the shield in the first hammer damage, then apply EH power damage

thank you for your attention

edited for question

Modifié par IanLai, 02 mars 2013 - 09:39 .

[corlist]

J4mes wrote...

 Is it possible to OSOK a Phantom or Brute?

Silver brute: Yes
Gold brute: No
Platinum phantom: Yes

IanLai wrote...

question:
multiplier bonuses:
biotic hammer: 50% bonus to armour evo (5B) gives 1.75x
electrical hammer: 75% bonus to shields and barriers (4A) gives 1.75x

biotic hammer why is 1.75x? not 1.5x

i want to know how the 1.75x for EH apply , can u show the formula please
say for example altas/Prime which u can't clear the shield in the first hammer damage, then apply EH power damage

Biotic hammer gives 1.75x is probably a wrong value entered (a bug) due to confusion with electrical hammer's 1.75x.

From OP:
Formula:
Melee damage (including hammer)
base_melee * defence_multiplier * (1 + sum_melee) * melee_weapon_mod

biotic/electrical hammer
base_damage * defence_multiplier * multiplier bonus * (1 + sum_power) * melee_weapon_mod

Gold geth prime
Electrical hammer (shield&barriers)
105% melee damage (warlord rage)
power amplifier II (20% power)
SG omniblade V (*1.5 melee)

hammer HM + e. hammer vs gold prime shields (11812)
Hammer HM:
675 * 1 * (1 + 1.05) * 1.5 = 2,075.625

Electrical hammer:
250 * 3 * 1.75 * (1 + 0.2) * 1.5 = 2,362.5

First hit: 11812 - 2,075.625 (2076*) = 9,736
Second hit: 9,736 - 2,362.5 (2363*) = 7,373

*damage to shields and barriers are rounded-up in game.

Modifié par corlist, 02 mars 2013 - 10:41 .

[IanLai]

corlist wrote...

J4mes wrote...

 Is it possible to OSOK a Phantom or Brute?

Silver brute: Yes
Gold brute: No
Platinum phantom: Yes

IanLai wrote...

question:
multiplier bonuses:
biotic hammer: 50% bonus to armour evo (5B) gives 1.75x
electrical hammer: 75% bonus to shields and barriers (4A) gives 1.75x

biotic hammer why is 1.75x? not 1.5x

i want to know how the 1.75x for EH apply , can u show the formula please
say for example altas/Prime which u can't clear the shield in the first hammer damage, then apply EH power damage

Biotic hammer gives 1.75x is probably a wrong value entered (a bug) due to confusion with electrical hammer's 1.75x.

From OP:
Formula:
Melee damage (including hammer)
base_melee * defence_multiplier * (1 + sum_melee) * melee_weapon_mod

biotic/electrical hammer
base_damage * defence_multiplier * multiplier bonus * (1 + sum_power) * melee_weapon_mod

Gold geth prime
Electrical hammer (shield&barriers)
105% melee damage (warlord rage)
power amplifier II (20% power)
SG omniblade V (*1.5 melee)

hammer HM + e. hammer vs gold prime shields (11812)
Hammer HM:
675 * 1 * (1 + 1.05) * 1.5 = 2,075.625

Electrical hammer:
250 * 3 * 1.75 * (1 + 0.2) * 1.5 = 2,362.5

First hit: 11812 - 2,075.625 (2076*) = 9,736
Second hit: 9,736 - 2,362.5 (2363*) = 7,373

*damage to shields and barriers are rounded-up in game.

good to know it is a display bug about the 1.75x,the actual value is even larger
thx for showing the formula
i understand how it apply to shield now:wizard:

[Sun Tzglyph]

corlist wrote...

fabsmilee wrote...

Well... could we have a clarification ? Like, explain to dumb me in simple words HOW i am supposed to use this new Krogan for better effect ? I'm currently wondering about the improve Biotic Explosion evolution on biotic hammer, what do I prime with ? Am i correct in assuming that i can't prime my own explosions ?

Use a shotgun omniblade V if you have it.
Always use armour damage on biotic hammer.
You can't prime your own biotic explosions.
You can prime fire or cryo explosions using the respective evos on electrical hammer.
You can also use ammo to prime like everyone else.

Veramocor wrote...
--snip--

Could you clarify how AOE works for secondary targets? 
Biotic and electric hammer are basically power effects like nova. AoE works as though you're casting a power on the spot your hammer smashed.

I thought that only the biotic or electric damage applied to secondary enemies but your above two sentences seem to suggest that there is a first melee component that applies damage without ominiblade bonus and then the enchant damage with the bonus?
Let's make things simple. You have an omniblade V and 1 point in electric hammer and nothing else.
You activate electric hammer and use the hammer HM on two cannibals.
The first cannibal (the one you targetted) takes 1,012.5 (675 * 1.5) melee damage and 312.5 (250 * 1.5) e. hammer damage.
The second cannibal takes 675 (675 * 1) melee damage and 312.5 (250 * 1.5) e. hammer damage
The first cannibal took the 1.5x omniblade bonus on the melee because it was the primary target.
The second cannibal did not take the 1.5x bonus on the melee.
Both cannibals took the e. hammer damage along with the omniblade bonus.

Does hammer melee by itself have any AOE component? How many people can it target?
All melees (even krogan backhand apaprently) have splash. I'd assume that the maximum people it can target is 3 because almost all AoE melees in the game have a target limit of 3.

Thx a bunch for clarifying

[MetalDeggial]

corlist wrote...

MetalDeggial wrote...

Should I still be using a Shotgun Omni-Blade even though I've not taken any melee bonuses in his fitness tree and went full power damage in Tech Armor and passives? I'm currently using the Melee Stunner and Power Amplification mod thingy with a Talon, but I just don't know if I would be better served using an Omni-Blade instead. After trying without any consumbles, I noticed I was just doing more damage with the pistol equipped instead of the shottie.

Kinda confused tbh.

If you have full power damage on TA and passives all the more should you use a shotgun omniblade V.
Power mag + stunner will do more damage on only biotic hammer and only if you took recharge in the hammer and have no power bonuses elsewhere. The amount of melee damage you will lose is hardly worth this tradeoff.

Unless there's some bug which I'm not aware of regarding power mag + stunner, this should be the case.

Mmkay, thanks dude. I'm using a GPS with the Omni-Blade now.

[iOnlySignIn]

I read elsewhere that Martial Artist at Rank 5 of Warlord Rage does not work. Is that true?

Also, Warlord Rage does not reliably trigger in 1 (with Pure Rage) or 2 kills like the tooltip says. Is it because it actually requires 2 or 3 kills, like with other Krogans?

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 07 mars 2013 - 04:43 .

[J4mes]

I have tried a Full Melee + Power Damage Specd Krogan Warlord, while yes you can 1-Shot Phantoms even on Platnium, you just become too squishy and can't take/tank any damage at all. This worked on the Krogan Soldier & Sentinel because of their small size.

Basically put I would recommend always taking both Health/Shields upgrades in Fitness, and maxium Durability in Tech Armor.

Whether you want to spec Biotic Hammer only with Power Damage to maximize Armor Damage, or take both Hammer types and max out the Radius on Electrical Hammer for the AoE CC while forgoing Power Passives, is up to you.

Personally I have had the most success with a 66606 build.

narida.pytalhost.com/me3/classes/#Sentinel/KroganWarlord/RNQAP/NPiranha10BG5AM5/Hurricane8BB5AU5///JuggernautShield5/ 

You can choose to go the Fire Hammer if you want better burst damage on Armored Targets after stripping their Shields/Barriers.  If you were to do that, then the Power Evolution in Tech Armor would be better.

Modifié par J4mes, 08 mars 2013 - 10:15 .

[corlist]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

I read elsewhere that Martial Artist at Rank 5 of Warlord Rage does not work. Is that true?

Also, Warlord Rage does not reliably trigger in 1 (with Pure Rage) or 2 kills like the tooltip says. Is it because it actually requires 2 or 3 kills, like with other Krogans?

I have not tested this extensively. In the single case where this was tested (seen at the end of the test data), both rage and martial artists worked.

This may be obvious but enemies killed by the biotic or electrical hammer portion of hammer attacks will not trigger either rage or martial artist.

[MetalDeggial]

You can get Rage going without the Pure Rage evolution (6A) in his fitness tree with only one kill. All you have to do is kill a minion with a normal melee or a running headbutt, and you can keep doing this to have Rage running forever if you are good at picking up troopers before your teammates killsteal from you. That evo is useless. 30% more melee damage over 60% more health regeneration, 30% more shields and health and 5% more damage reduction in Rage? Hell no.