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[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Well there was enough of a ****storm to get Bioware to make an ending. Not a good ending but at least they eventually made one.

[adayaday]

At first i wasnt sure,now i know Birdsallsa is mimicking Seival.
Stop feeding the troll...

Modifié par adayaday, 01 mars 2013 - 03:43 .

[angol fear]

SiriusXI wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Argolas wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Let me oversimplify the issue: I expect a game to reward me when I do well and punish me when I screw up. When I do well and finish the game, but the ending is not rewarding but frustrating, I call that a bad ending.

And just to be clear what I mean by bad: A happy ending can be good, a sad ending can be good, a bad ending is just bad.

So whenever you don't like something, you call it a bad ending. Have you ever taken a look in the mirror and called yourself a bad player?

If it was just me, yeah. Maybe you missed the sh!tstorm the ending caused.

I didn't reach the forums until after this alleged storm. I personally don't believe it. I think it's just more propganda from the anti-ender machine designed to make it look like they are justified in hating such a great piece of work. I arrived on the scene just in time to face off against the few left commiting injustice on the bsn.

Haha, you really thing ME3s ending is a "great piece of work"? I hope you'll never work within the field of movie making, literature, videogame developement and so on. We do not need another "great piece of work" like this.

I work in literature, in experimental video and critic. I think that ME3's ending is a "great piece of work", and that's why I love the original ending but I don't like Extended Cut. Actually the ending is very consistent if you really see the themes of mass effect 1, 2 and 3 and you really understand how it works. This ending is more complex than you think.

[Ridwan]

angol fear wrote...

SiriusXI wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Argolas wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Let me oversimplify the issue: I expect a game to reward me when I do well and punish me when I screw up. When I do well and finish the game, but the ending is not rewarding but frustrating, I call that a bad ending.

And just to be clear what I mean by bad: A happy ending can be good, a sad ending can be good, a bad ending is just bad.

So whenever you don't like something, you call it a bad ending. Have you ever taken a look in the mirror and called yourself a bad player?

If it was just me, yeah. Maybe you missed the sh!tstorm the ending caused.

I didn't reach the forums until after this alleged storm. I personally don't believe it. I think it's just more propganda from the anti-ender machine designed to make it look like they are justified in hating such a great piece of work. I arrived on the scene just in time to face off against the few left commiting injustice on the bsn.

Haha, you really thing ME3s ending is a "great piece of work"? I hope you'll never work within the field of movie making, literature, videogame developement and so on. We do not need another "great piece of work" like this.

I work in literature, in experimental video and critic. I think that ME3's ending is a "great piece of work", and that's why I love the original ending but I don't like Extended Cut. Actually the ending is very consistent if you really see the themes of mass effect 1, 2 and 3 and you really understand how it works. This ending is more complex than you think.

Casper the genocidal ghost pulling all the answers out of his ass and rainbow colour endings is not a good ending. And here I thought the theme of ME was alien diveristy and overcoming a threat by working together.

[o Ventus]

angol fear wrote...

I work in literature, in experimental video and critic. I think that ME3's ending is a "great piece of work", and that's why I love the original ending but I don't like Extended Cut. Actually the ending is very consistent if you really see the themes of mass effect 1, 2 and 3 and you really understand how it works. This ending is more complex than you think.

1. The ending is not consistent at all. The idea that synthetics can't exist peacefully with organics is absurd (as well as fundamentally racist). It's subverted numerous times throughout the trilogy.

2. @bold- there's nothing "deep" or complex" about it. Sh*t is sh*t. Also, way to insinuate that people who dislike the endig aren't capable of understanding themes and underlying ideas.

3. You like the original endings, but dislike the EC, despite them being the same thing, only with the EC having more emotional gratification.

[BD Manchild]

angol fear wrote...

I work in literature, in experimental video and critic. I think that ME3's ending is a "great piece of work", and that's why I love the original ending but I don't like Extended Cut. Actually the ending is very consistent if you really see the themes of mass effect 1, 2 and 3 and you really understand how it works. This ending is more complex than you think.

Oh goodie, it's THIS particular card being played again. I believe Ventus has already gone over the reasons why you're wrong, but I just want to add that the problem was NEVER that we didn't understand the ending; we understood it and realised that IT WAS TOTAL AND UTTER BOLLOCKS.

Now stop being such an offensive, pretentious little twit.

Modifié par BD Manchild, 01 mars 2013 - 05:15 .

[BirdsallSa]

Now I don't mean to brag but I know some amazing authors, ranging from private notes to high profile stories on the top ten list. When we got together for lunch the other day, everyone was in agreement that Mass Effect 3 was the best video game ending in the modern era and perhaps of all time. I think that settles it.

[o Ventus]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Now I don't mean to brag but I know some amazing authors, ranging from private notes to high profile stories on the top ten list. When we got together for lunch the other day, everyone was in agreement that Mass Effect 3 was the best video game ending in the modern era and perhaps of all time. I think that settles it.

Yeah? I know Adam West, and he thinks the Dark Knight trilogy is bollocks. 

Playing te "trust me guys" card does nothing to help your credibility. 

[RocketManSR2]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Now I don't mean to brag but I know some amazing authors, ranging from private notes to high profile stories on the top ten list. When we got together for lunch the other day, everyone was in agreement that Mass Effect 3 was the best video game ending in the modern era and perhaps of all time. I think that settles it.

Yes, it does. You are an idiot and a troll. GTFO

[AlkoTanko]

o Ventus wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Now I don't mean to brag but I know some amazing authors, ranging from private notes to high profile stories on the top ten list. When we got together for lunch the other day, everyone was in agreement that Mass Effect 3 was the best video game ending in the modern era and perhaps of all time. I think that settles it.

Yeah? I know Adam West, and he thinks the Dark Knight trilogy is bollocks. 

Playing te "trust me guys" card does nothing to help your credibility. 

Tell him I loved his cameo in Baadasssss!. 

[BirdsallSa]

If you don't believe me just ask around. Everyone loves the ending outside of the bsn.

[o Ventus]

BirdsallSa wrote...

If you don't believe me just ask around. Everyone loves the ending outside of the bsn.

I have friends in real life who think the end to ME3 is ass, and they've never visited the BSN.

And judging by the various polls on the Internet (both pre- and post-EC), so do a lot of non-BSN'ers.

[BD Manchild]

Guys, please don't encourage him.

[Landon7001]

M25105 wrote...

angol fear wrote...

SiriusXI wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Argolas wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Let me oversimplify the issue: I expect a game to reward me when I do well and punish me when I screw up. When I do well and finish the game, but the ending is not rewarding but frustrating, I call that a bad ending.

And just to be clear what I mean by bad: A happy ending can be good, a sad ending can be good, a bad ending is just bad.

So whenever you don't like something, you call it a bad ending. Have you ever taken a look in the mirror and called yourself a bad player?

If it was just me, yeah. Maybe you missed the sh!tstorm the ending caused.

I didn't reach the forums until after this alleged storm. I personally don't believe it. I think it's just more propganda from the anti-ender machine designed to make it look like they are justified in hating such a great piece of work. I arrived on the scene just in time to face off against the few left commiting injustice on the bsn.

Haha, you really thing ME3s ending is a "great piece of work"? I hope you'll never work within the field of movie making, literature, videogame developement and so on. We do not need another "great piece of work" like this.

I work in literature, in experimental video and critic. I think that ME3's ending is a "great piece of work", and that's why I love the original ending but I don't like Extended Cut. Actually the ending is very consistent if you really see the themes of mass effect 1, 2 and 3 and you really understand how it works. This ending is more complex than you think.

Casper the genocidal ghost pulling all the answers out of his ass and rainbow colour endings is not a good ending. And here I thought the theme of ME was alien diveristy and overcoming a threat by working together.

as solemn and empty as the original ending was, the only theme it carried to fruition that was consistent through the series is the inevitable and intractable nature of the reapers, which was awesome and made for the feeling of a truly great and mysterious obstacle and maybe* bioware thought they couldnt really be completely overcome or destroyed, at least not without great loss...which is what the original ending did.....one way or another YOU, THE PLAYER, THE CONSUMER LOST.....your choice was taken away and you are left feeling empty, not rewarded for completing this 6 year trilogy...but see, this was a video game based on deep personalization and choice and THAT along with the relationships with the chracters gave mass effect such value in its replayability.....

This doesnt even account for all the blatant lies about the product and all kinds of other problems like having to play multiplayer or the face import fiasco or ALL the plot holes, ESPICIALLY AT THE END, its beyond transparent that it was rushed-THAT ALONE makes it bad! 

Birdsalla, I'm assuming you have all the information and are aware of the unprecedented movements against this ending by passionate fans around the world, tens of thousands upon thousands....and those are who just spoke up! Those who liked the original ending are in the vast majority. AND I AM all about creative, original, progressive art.....I'm a musician and writer, and THIS ENDING IS NONE OF THAT.....its a bad, contradictory, empty ending that abandons many of the trilogy's themes and most important aspects like choice, forgets the importance of closure and character and is so sloppy that the writers apparently thought we could read their minds about almost everything an dthey had to go back in the ec and fill it all in....and STILL there are things that make no sense little to big {example-the unlimited ammo pistol shep has at the end?}.....so....no

[BirdsallSa]

o Ventus wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

If you don't believe me just ask around. Everyone loves the ending outside of the bsn.

I have friends in real life who think the end to ME3 is ass, and they've never visited the BSN.

And judging by the various polls on the Internet (both pre- and post-EC), so do a lot of non-BSN'ers.

There has never been one unbiased poll with a reasonable sample size to support your stance. Judging by all my friends who love the ending, the real world is a very different place than the bsn. You can never trust a poll on the internet, because for all we know every vote could be from the same person. There's no way to verify the results. Take my word for it that the ending was widely received as acceptable and even good. In fact, we're all throwing a party on Tuesday to celebrate my review of the final dlc.

[Galifreya]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Now I don't mean to brag but I know some amazing authors, ranging from private notes to high profile stories on the top ten list. When we got together for lunch the other day, everyone was in agreement that Mass Effect 3 was the best video game ending in the modern era and perhaps of all time. I think that settles it.

lol

[MassStorm]

This could be the mother of all troll-threads

[Landon7001]

{face palm}.....birdsalsa, ever heard of the retake mass effect and hold the line movements among others....retake alone got 90,000 plus signatures, you hear about the red, blue and green cupcackes sent to BW offices, or all the thousands of dollars raised?.....there are various movements worldwide, nothing like this has ever happened before....THATS how bad the ending was ; )

[Uncle Jo]

MassStorm wrote...

This could be the mother of all troll-threads

NO. "The Normandy test-jumps" pre EC, from the same author btw, is their mother. It also established the reputation of the said author.

[Landon7001]

yep....we have a TROLL

[DoomsdayDevice]

"There is no happy ending because nothing ends." - @masseffect

[BirdsallSa]

This is no troll thread, in fact it's the only thread on this forum that is legitimizing the bsn right now.

[Landon7001]

BirdsallSa, so why dont you adress the facts that i just threw at you in two previous posts then? Because, you sir, stink of troll

[BirdsallSa]

Landon7001 wrote...

BirdsallSa, so why dont you adress the facts that i just threw at you in two previous posts then? Because, you sir, stink of troll

I assume you're talking about the retake movement post? Thought you were kidding about that. Jessica Merizan said people were not upset about the ending, they just wanted more expansion on what happens in the world and with the characters they know and love. They were given that in the Extended Cut which was a free dlc. Does anyone ever thank Bioware for the months of time and effort from everyone on the team? They were working round the clock on that project, putting their hearts and souls into it. We got at least 10 slides per playthrough at no extra charge, and they weren't sloppily done either they were high quality and some of the best work in the series. So don't come at me talking about facts when you clearly had yours wrong. What people wanted was closure and they got it, now a majority is completely satisfied.

[Han Shot First]

Lizardviking wrote...

Perhaps Bioware should have had the dark, heartwrenching endings in the second act and have the third act end in a more heroic fashion?

Han Shot First wrote...
A better way to have executed a good bittersweet ending IMO, would have been to have another Suicide Mission in the end game, except this time the Suicide Mission would be aptly named. All the surviving ME2 squadmates would join for the final push, and in even in a 'perfect' run you'd end up losing some of these squadmates, Anderson, and potentially Shepard as well. Their losses would provide the 'bitter,' but their sacrifice would help in saving galactic civilization from the Reapers. The 'sweet' would be a victory that saved that game universe we've all come to know and love. Some squadmates might die, but galactic civilization would live on.

To continue from this part, even if you get the ending where Shepard and their LI can finally live happily ever after. You could still put a focus on the (potential) damage the war had to Shepard's psyche such as PTSD. And how it affected Shepard on the long term. 

Just throwing an idea out.

That is a good idea as well.

Actually that is pretty much how the Return of the King movie ended. The great victory is won, but as Frodo says "some wounds never heal." While he was in part talking about the physical wound from having been stabbed by a Nazgul, he was also talking about psychological wounds.