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[BirdsallSa]

@3d
I'm not some town drunk and I resent that remark. I fail to see why you post my thread about The Intelligence as if I should be ashamed. I stand by my threads as I have a sense of honor unlike others on this thread and I'm sure those same people who loved the ending would love my posts. In fact I know they do as I get daily messages applauding my defense of the game from the wolves of the bsn.

[dirtdiver32318]

Commander Wookie wrote...

Landon7001 wrote...

{face palm}.....birdsalsa, ever heard of the retake mass effect and hold the line movements among others....retake alone got 90,000 plus signatures, you hear about the red, blue and green cupcackes sent to BW offices, or all the thousands of dollars raised?.....there are various movements worldwide, nothing like this has ever happened before....THATS how bad the ending was ; )

QFT

There are not a lot of game developers, who have ever gotten that type of reaction from their gaming communities, in response to a game.

True biggest Sh*t storm in gaming history? Also Bioware should be (I am sure they are) happy that fans love this game so much to do this and react to the game and not just go meh and shove it to the side.

[valkulon]

TheProtheans wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

The endings aren't bad because they aren't happy.

They're bad for a number of other reasons.

Sevial is a troll, he can't hear.
A lot of vocal pro-enders are trolls, they just ignore facts.

This can be said of anti-enders as well. Both sides refuse to budge or accept that the otherside has their own opinions and interpatations of what happened within ME3. Also as I've stated quite often in the past opinion does not equal fact.

People really need to learn that difference.

[AlexMBrennan]

Mass Effect Trilogy is that kind of story... To think about important things, and make your own conclusions. To test you own morality in the crucible of dire and inevitable events. To learn a lesson and find comfort in important things you understood.

Literally lol'ing

OK, I really can't tell if you are trolling or really really... trolling

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 01 mars 2013 - 07:48 .

[wright1978]

DinoSteve wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

I don't wish to get into a debate here about the quality of Star Trek: TNG (not what you are doing, I know).  My point here is that people that are legitimate authors (a writer who is actually paid for their work), have not loved the thing.  The author in question wrote "The Measure of a Man" about the debate over whether Data was a person and could refuse to be taken in to be studied by a scientist.  I'm not comparing ME and Star Trek, but what I am saying is this author (of books as well as screenplays) didn't like it and was incensed about it.  Other authors also weighed in and their long commenataries were in a blog about SF authors' thoughts on the endings.

This type of ending has been done (take Babylon 5, for instance) and done well.  But if you're going to make an ending like ME3's, you need to make it work within the story you have already created. 

It also helps to lay the ground work for an ending like that, before hand.

QFT, laying the groundwork for endings is necessary if you expect the ending to stay standing.

[tevix]

@3Dandbeyond

You bring some good points to the table. I apologize if I derailed it's purpose with an unrelated argument.

[3DandBeyond]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

tevix wrote...

@3Dandbeyond

Wait, a TNG writer didn't like ME3's ending? That actually has more implication than face value IMO..

TNG's last episode was pretty much devoid of any action. It was all dialogue, psychology, mental play and speculation. Lots of philosiphy while dealing with essentially another Deus Ex Machina style character.

I thought that ending was actually pretty good. For them to evaluate an ending that strives to follow a similar path and say they failed is...not good.

I don't wish to get into a debate here about the quality of Star Trek: TNG (not what you are doing, I know).  My point here is that people that are legitimate authors (a writer who is actually paid for their work), have not loved the thing.  The author in question wrote "The Measure of a Man" about the debate over whether Data was a person and could refuse to be taken in to be studied by a scientist.  I'm not comparing ME and Star Trek, but what I am saying is this author (of books as well as screenplays) didn't like it and was incensed about it.  Other authors also weighed in and their long commenataries were in a blog about SF authors' thoughts on the endings.

This type of ending has been done (take Babylon 5, for instance) and done well.  But if you're going to make an ending like ME3's, you need to make it work within the story you have already created. 

Could you link to the blog?

I honestly don't remember the site-I keep thinking it had Green and Pea or something like that in the name, but it was the subject of a long-running thread on here some months ago because it dealt with the EC as well IIRC.

I know it's a bit much to ask you to just believe me so I won't ask you to do so, but if I do find it, I'll pass it along. 

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 01 mars 2013 - 08:08 .

[Ryoten]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Ryoten wrote...

Nothing but Emo kids in here "i want my super dark and deep story". Happy endings are good stories. Star Trek: TNG...best ending ever. There....

This thread can now be put to rest.

"I don't like what you like, so now I'll call you names!" classic BSN.

Star Trek sucks btw.

At least it ended better than ME. 

[Ryoten]

Dabrikishaw wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I propose we all just ignore BirdsallSa, Auld Wolf, and Seival. Then once they run out of prey, they can go back under their bridge and leave the rest of us alone.

And robosexual and eterna5 and brovikk rasputin, and txgoldrush. 

[3DandBeyond]

tevix wrote...

@3Dandbeyond

You bring some good points to the table. I apologize if I derailed it's purpose with an unrelated argument.

No apology needed-I actually wasn't taking what you said to be argument.  I just wanted to make it clear that I in no way want to compare Mass Effect to the way other stories/movies/books whatever are handled.  The biggest most relevant thing for me always was not if ME3 lived up to what was done in other stories, but if it lived up to its own story.  I don't think at the end it did.

One relevant article that I just found is about Mac Walters' own view of how ME relates to other stories that are out there, including Star Trek.  Within this are many comments that I find are so not reflected in what happens at the end of ME3.

http://www.ign.com/a...st-achievements

[o Ventus]

BirdsallSa wrote...

There has never been one unbiased poll with a reasonable sample size to support your stance. Judging by all my friends who love the ending, the real world is a very different place than the bsn. You can never trust a poll on the internet, because for all we know every vote could be from the same person. There's no way to verify the results. Take my word for it that the ending was widely received as acceptable and even good. In fact, we're all throwing a party on Tuesday to celebrate my review of the final dlc.

"Theres no way to verify te results"

"Take it from me"

Never go full retard.

[tevix]

@3Dandbeyond

I honestly kind of wonder if Mac just had too many cooks in the kitchen, so to speak, just within his own mind.

It comes across as if he were simultaneously trying to put his own spin on it, along with sticking to the themes and writing style established, and draw inspiration from other sources. And it all clashed.

Add on top of that rushed deadlines and Casey wanting to write an ending people would "talk about" AND wanting to echo human revolution's ending...

Yeah...not hard to see why it got messy.

[BirdsallSa]

Do you guys even remember what the topic of this thread is? It's not about cooking or star trek or the girl scouts selling cookies. It's about valuable life lessons we can take away from this ending. So get it back on topic.

[Argolas]

BirdsallSa wrote...

 It's about valuable life lessons we can take away from this ending.

There are none.

[tevix]

@BirdsallSa

Conversation subjects evolve, especially over this length. Frankly for a Seival topic this has received an unprecedented amount of serious consideration, and that's without counting any of your posts.

We are simply discussing whether we feel it accomplished it's goal as stated by the OP, and how well it accomplished it.

I think this counts as fair game.

[o Ventus]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Do you guys even remember what the topic of this thread is? It's not about cooking or star trek or the girl scouts selling cookies. It's about valuable life lessons we can take away from this ending. So get it back on topic.

The only life lesson I learned was "I can never exist with people who are fundamentally different than me". This conflicts with what I was told when I was 5 years old, "you're special". So if I'm special, then everybody is fundamentally different than I am.

So I guess my choices are to kill everyone on the planet, enslave everyone on the planet, or forcefully merge everyone on the planet to remove the differences.

[Benchpress610]

3DandBeyond wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Now I don't mean to brag but I know some amazing authors, ranging from private notes to high profile stories on the top ten list. When we got together for lunch the other day, everyone was in agreement that Mass Effect 3 was the best video game ending in the modern era and perhaps of all time. I think that settles it.

Interesting, but perhaps more to the point might be if so exactly what did those authors have to drink before the discussion?

I've included a link to a thread that you might find interesting, one you were the author of.
http://social.biowar...ndex/15741240/4

As for what SF writers think or what any author may think, the proof is in not what they may have said to anyone, but what they have put in writing about it.  On this forum there have been links to what authors, including one for Star Trek:TNG had to say about this and they did not even like ME3's endings.

Lol Dee, this person is known to come up with such outlandish claims that I think he is:
 
1-      Incredibly naïve
2-      Delusional, or
3-      A full blown troll
 
My money is on the last one. S/he makes Bubbles look like Socrates

[3DandBeyond]

BirdsallSa wrote...

@3d
I'm not some town drunk and I resent that remark. I fail to see why you post my thread about The Intelligence as if I should be ashamed. I stand by my threads as I have a sense of honor unlike others on this thread and I'm sure those same people who loved the ending would love my posts. In fact I know they do as I get daily messages applauding my defense of the game from the wolves of the bsn.

Perhaps you should re-read my post.  I wanted to know what the authors (and not you) were drinking so there was no implication that you were even drinking.

You have made this personal because you have believed a lie about me.  I ask that you stop doing so because prior to this I actually did think you were a decent person.  I was not saying you should be ashamed about it, but because you have blocked me and will not discuss this in private as adults, I have no other venue other than to publicly ask you to read a thread I posted to you in that is relevant to the lie you believe about me.

I don't know why we went from being friends to you attacking me.  I actually am a person with feelings, you know.  I think it's high time you stopped all of this because it's ceasing to be funny.

[TheRealJayDee]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Do you guys even remember what the topic of this thread is? It's not about cooking or star trek or the girl scouts selling cookies. It's about valuable life lessons we can take away from this ending. So get it back on topic.

Seriously, guys, behave - remember what happened on one of the other BirdsallSa threads:

Chris Priestly wrote...

If you do not like this thread or the OP's threads STAY OUT OF IT.

If I see people spamming this thread, not discussing the topic or attacking the OP, they will be banned for breaking the rules. This is the only warning.

No one is saying you have to like the idea or the OP, but too often people start off deriding a person or the thread before it beings.

[gavinbrindstaar]

 I'm calling 1, 2, 4, 6, 7, and 10 on OP.

www.cracked.com/funny-3809-internet-argument-techniques/

[mvaning]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Landon7001 wrote...

BirdsallSa, so why dont you adress the facts that i just threw at you in two previous posts then? Because, you sir, stink of troll

I assume you're talking about the retake movement post? Thought you were kidding about that. Jessica Merizan said people were not upset about the ending, they just wanted more expansion on what happens in the world and with the characters they know and love. They were given that in the Extended Cut which was a free dlc. Does anyone ever thank Bioware for the months of time and effort from everyone on the team? They were working round the clock on that project, putting their hearts and souls into it. We got at least 10 slides per playthrough at no extra charge, and they weren't sloppily done either they were high quality and some of the best work in the series. So don't come at me talking about facts when you clearly had yours wrong. What people wanted was closure and they got it, now a majority is completely satisfied.

Isn't it like 70% of ME3 fans love the ending?   Clearly everyone is satisfied.  
BirdsallSa wins, no contest needed.
+8.8

[tevix]

@3Dandbeyond

Don't bother, he did the same thing to me yesterday. I spent a page and a half trying to be nice, friendly and have a nice exchange of ideas and just got attacked and insulted. I gave up.

[BirdsallSa]

3DandBeyond wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

@3d
I'm not some town drunk and I resent that remark. I fail to see why you post my thread about The Intelligence as if I should be ashamed. I stand by my threads as I have a sense of honor unlike others on this thread and I'm sure those same people who loved the ending would love my posts. In fact I know they do as I get daily messages applauding my defense of the game from the wolves of the bsn.

Perhaps you should re-read my post.  I wanted to know what the authors (and not you) were drinking so there was no implication that you were even drinking.

You have made this personal because you have believed a lie about me.  I ask that you stop doing so because prior to this I actually did think you were a decent person.  I was not saying you should be ashamed about it, but because you have blocked me and will not discuss this in private as adults, I have no other venue other than to publicly ask you to read a thread I posted to you in that is relevant to the lie you believe about me.

I don't know why we went from being friends to you attacking me.  I actually am a person with feelings, you know.  I think it's high time you stopped all of this because it's ceasing to be funny.

I'm the one that gets tracked down in my threads by friends of yours, and called an alcoholic with imaginary friends and I'm the one attacking?
http://social.biowar...ndex/16090193/3

[BirdsallSa]

tevix wrote...

@3Dandbeyond

Don't bother, he did the same thing to me yesterday. I spent a page and a half trying to be nice, friendly and have a nice exchange of ideas and just got attacked and insulted. I gave up.

I did no such thing. I'm having a conversation with you as we speak on the Cerberus thread.

[Seival]

Just read several additional pages of discussion that appeared here while I was on the job.

Again I see how anti-enders telling about lack of happiness/satisfaction after reading. Again I see how anti-enders are talking about "bad writing" with that old "evidence" that stories "must be written with 100% following standard patterns developed long ago". Anti-enders want to gain satisfaction through reading a story written by following predictable and very well known patterns, where everyone knows what the ending will look like just after they start to read the story... Well, I'm afraid that ME Trilogy is just not for you. You may cry about "bad writing" as long as you wish. That will not change the fact that the entire Trilogy is written very well (especially because of the ending concept).

Dear anti-enders. If you can't find satisfaction in understanding and your personal moral testing results, then what are you doing on Mass Effect forums? Right now most of you just create unneeded disturbance, nothing more. BioWare will never implement your requests, and a lot of fans support that decision. Don't like ME3? Move along then. No need for you to stay on ME3 forums.