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[BirdsallSa]

Seival wrote...

Just read several additional pages of discussion that appeared here while I was on the job.

Again I see how anti-enders telling about lack of happiness/satisfaction after reading. Again I see how anti-enders are talking about "bad writing" with that old "evidence" that stories "must be written with 100% following standard patterns developed long ago". Anti-enders want to gain satisfaction through reading a story written by following predictable and very well known patterns, where everyone knows what the ending will look like just after they start to read the story... Well, I'm afraid that ME Trilogy is just not for you. You may cry about "bad writing" as long as you wish. That will not change the fact that the entire Trilogy is written very well (especially because of the ending concept).

Dear anti-enders. If you can't find satisfaction in understanding and your personal moral testing results, then what are you doing on Mass Effect forums? Right now most of you just create unneeded disturbance, nothing more. BioWare will never implement your requests, and a lot of fans support that decision. Don't like ME3? Move along then. No need for you to stay on ME3 forums.

Amen

[Red Panda]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Seival wrote...

Just read several additional pages of discussion that appeared here while I was on the job.

Again I see how anti-enders telling about lack of happiness/satisfaction after reading. Again I see how anti-enders are talking about "bad writing" with that old "evidence" that stories "must be written with 100% following standard patterns developed long ago". Anti-enders want to gain satisfaction through reading a story written by following predictable and very well known patterns, where everyone knows what the ending will look like just after they start to read the story... Well, I'm afraid that ME Trilogy is just not for you. You may cry about "bad writing" as long as you wish. That will not change the fact that the entire Trilogy is written very well (especially because of the ending concept).

Dear anti-enders. If you can't find satisfaction in understanding and your personal moral testing results, then what are you doing on Mass Effect forums? Right now most of you just create unneeded disturbance, nothing more. BioWare will never implement your requests, and a lot of fans support that decision. Don't like ME3? Move along then. No need for you to stay on ME3 forums.

Amen

+9001

[tevix]

@BirdsallSa

I take your point.

@Seival

That was a tad harsh, don't you think? Isn't the point of forums to discuss opinions, agree, disagree, consider and see where it goes? It seems like you are alienating anyone who doesn't entirely agree with a certain aspect of the game. That's not particularly fair.

I like the ending, but have criticisms about it. I think it could have been done better. I also still play through the SP game right to the very end and enjoy it. Do I disqualify as a poster for having a few nitpicks?

[SpamBot2000]

So BSN should be a happiness-generating machine for you then?

[MattFini]

Seival wrote...

Just read several additional pages of discussion that appeared here while I was on the job.

Again I see how anti-enders telling about lack of happiness/satisfaction after reading. Again I see how anti-enders are talking about "bad writing" with that old "evidence" that stories "must be written with 100% following standard patterns developed long ago". Anti-enders want to gain satisfaction through reading a story written by following predictable and very well known patterns, where everyone knows what the ending will look like just after they start to read the story... Well, I'm afraid that ME Trilogy is just not for you. You may cry about "bad writing" as long as you wish. That will not change the fact that the entire Trilogy is written very well (especially because of the ending concept).

Dear anti-enders. If you can't find satisfaction in understanding and your personal moral testing results, then what are you doing on Mass Effect forums? Right now most of you just create unneeded disturbance, nothing more. BioWare will never implement your requests, and a lot of fans support that decision. Don't like ME3? Move along then. No need for you to stay on ME3 forums.

Well then how about you explain what valuable lessons you gleamed from the ending? I would be interested to hear that.

Otherwise you ARE a troll and it's becoming clearer by the moment since you've refused to answer many legitimate questions in response to your topic.  

[BirdsallSa]

tevix wrote...

@BirdsallSa

I take your point.

@Seival

That was a tad harsh, don't you think? Isn't the point of forums to discuss opinions, agree, disagree, consider and see where it goes? It seems like you are alienating anyone who doesn't entirely agree with a certain aspect of the game. That's not particularly fair.

I like the ending, but have criticisms about it. I think it could have been done better. I also still play through the SP game right to the very end and enjoy it. Do I disqualify as a poster for having a few nitpicks?

Yes Tevix. What exactly qualifies you to insult such a well done ending? When did your opinion become more important than Casey Hudson's and Mac Walters'? So much so in fact, that you are now the authority on all things Mass Effect? For years Casey slaved over a computer and earned the title of Head of Mass Effect operations through blood sweat and tears and what have you done? Sure it's easy to post an opinion, but what did you do to earn it?

[Ticonderoga117]

Seival wrote...

Just read several additional pages of discussion that appeared here while I was on the job.

Again I see how anti-enders telling about lack of happiness/satisfaction after reading. Again I see how anti-enders are talking about "bad writing" with that old "evidence" that stories "must be written with 100% following standard patterns developed long ago". Anti-enders want to gain satisfaction through reading a story written by following predictable and very well known patterns, where everyone knows what the ending will look like just after they start to read the story... Well, I'm afraid that ME Trilogy is just not for you. You may cry about "bad writing" as long as you wish. That will not change the fact that the entire Trilogy is written very well (especially because of the ending concept).

Dear anti-enders. If you can't find satisfaction in understanding and your personal moral testing results, then what are you doing on Mass Effect forums? Right now most of you just create unneeded disturbance, nothing more. BioWare will never implement your requests, and a lot of fans support that decision. Don't like ME3? Move along then. No need for you to stay on ME3 forums.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

ME3 is written horribly. It's inconsistent. It's drops the major plot line just before the end. It introduces a lore breaking character in the last 10 minutes. It's morals are abhorrent and are nothing that anyone should aspire to.

It's complete and utter crap.

[BirdsallSa]

Give the OP a break. He is a working man and he just said he got off the job. If he doesn't have the time to answer a question posed to him I'll step up to the challenge, so hit me with your best shot.

[mvaning]

Seival wrote...

Just read several additional pages of discussion that appeared here while I was on the job.

Again I see how anti-enders telling about lack of happiness/satisfaction after reading. Again I see how anti-enders are talking about "bad writing" with that old "evidence" that stories "must be written with 100% following standard patterns developed long ago". Anti-enders want to gain satisfaction through reading a story written by following predictable and very well known patterns, where everyone knows what the ending will look like just after they start to read the story... Well, I'm afraid that ME Trilogy is just not for you. You may cry about "bad writing" as long as you wish. That will not change the fact that the entire Trilogy is written very well (especially because of the ending concept).

Dear anti-enders. If you can't find satisfaction in understanding and your personal moral testing results, then what are you doing on Mass Effect forums? Right now most of you just create unneeded disturbance, nothing more. BioWare will never implement your requests, and a lot of fans support that decision. Don't like ME3? Move along then. No need for you to stay on ME3 forums.

Bravo, such an unbiased and open minded opinion.    Now that you have given your correct assesment, I will give mine.  But before I give this assesment, I have to point something out.  

1) I don't think people think that writing needs to be written with standard patterns.   After all, ANY work of art can be a good work of art in the eye of the beholder.  

2)  I believe that anti-enders complain on the forums because they actually like the ME trilogy alot and wish for bioware to see their criticisms for future improvements. 

3) Altho I highly regard your coments as completely unbiased and highly open minded, I have to say. . .  Telling people that don't like the ending to move off the bioware forums might be just a little bit biased and closed minded 

I enjoy the game.  All that being said, while the game is great, the ending is bad writing for all the reasons listed since march of 2012.    

[tevix]

@BirdsallSa

Way to totally turn around and attack me even after I accepted a point you made. To say that was rude is a gargantuan understatement.

I am a customer, I am allowed to critique the product I bought. I am doing so in a polite and civil fashion which is the purpose of this forum and BW wants from its fanbase, as does any company.

"A few nitpicks" does not equal me thinking myself the lord of ME, BW, Hudson or any other employee. If you are allowed to criticize (read: attack) me for my points, I am allowed to criticize yours and anyone elses.

Just...stop.

[3DandBeyond]

BirdsallSa wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

@3d
I'm not some town drunk and I resent that remark. I fail to see why you post my thread about The Intelligence as if I should be ashamed. I stand by my threads as I have a sense of honor unlike others on this thread and I'm sure those same people who loved the ending would love my posts. In fact I know they do as I get daily messages applauding my defense of the game from the wolves of the bsn.

Perhaps you should re-read my post.  I wanted to know what the authors (and not you) were drinking so there was no implication that you were even drinking.

You have made this personal because you have believed a lie about me.  I ask that you stop doing so because prior to this I actually did think you were a decent person.  I was not saying you should be ashamed about it, but because you have blocked me and will not discuss this in private as adults, I have no other venue other than to publicly ask you to read a thread I posted to you in that is relevant to the lie you believe about me.

I don't know why we went from being friends to you attacking me.  I actually am a person with feelings, you know.  I think it's high time you stopped all of this because it's ceasing to be funny.

I'm the one that gets tracked down in my threads by friends of yours, and called an alcoholic with imaginary friends and I'm the one attacking?
http://social.biowar...ndex/16090193/3

I have no idea what you are talking about.  And I certainly do not control what anyone else writes.  You need to be responsible for what you post as does anyone else.  If somehow you think just because someone happens to insult you that they are naturally my friend, then you are sad indeed.  If they happen to share an opinion similar to my own regarding this game, then even that does not signify them being my friend.  If however they have agreed to or asked to be on a friend's list that is something else entirely.  

But you are beginning to make me wonder if this whole thing isn't some sham-where you have attacked me in PMs (when you were once a friend of mine) and have done this for some other purpose.  Perhaps you want an open argument and want me banned just to prove to Seival that you agree with him, when maybe you should now be truthful.  I'm a big believer in the truth.  How about you tell everyone now, eh?  Because I for one am sick of this and I know it's against forum rules.  You made this personal.  You started this and I didn't.  How about you grow up now and come clean.  The truth will set you free.  I have been totally honest.

Your threads have degenerated into affairs where you are just now baiting people to attack you-I wonder why you feel the need to do this.  This is no longer funny and yet there were moments when it was, but people have the right to know the truth.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 01 mars 2013 - 09:04 .

[Seival]

tevix wrote...

@BirdsallSa

I take your point.

@Seival

That was a tad harsh, don't you think? Isn't the point of forums to discuss opinions, agree, disagree, consider and see where it goes? It seems like you are alienating anyone who doesn't entirely agree with a certain aspect of the game. That's not particularly fair.

I like the ending, but have criticisms about it. I think it could have been done better. I also still play through the SP game right to the very end and enjoy it. Do I disqualify as a poster for having a few nitpicks?

The problem is that anti-enders are not discussing anything. They only accusing BioWare in incompetence, and making demands. They are creating disturbance. They can't and don't want to help anyone. They demand "food with taste they like" in a wrong place to make such demands. So, I believe that my words were not harsh at all.

Modifié par Seival, 01 mars 2013 - 09:05 .

[o Ventus]

gavinbrindstaar wrote...

 I'm calling 1, 2, 4, 6, 7, and 10 on OP.

www.cracked.com/funny-3809-internet-argument-techniques/

Also number 9.

[tevix]

@Seival

It seems to me your concern is that people who are against the ending cannot still be ok with the product or company as a whole, and demand something better.

Let me ask you this, as an analogy:

If I go to my favorite diner, order a plate and then desert, but the desert doesn't seem to me to be what it was advertised, am I bad customer? What if I politely say to the Waiter(ress) "That cherry pie didn't seem to have as many cherries as I liked. I'll still pay for it, and it wasn't bad, and I'll still come back because I like it here. I just didn't care for the pie".

Am I bad customer?

[MattFini]

Seival wrote...

The problem is that anti-enders are not discussing anything. They only accusing BioWare in incompetence, and make demands. They are creating disturbance. They can't and don't want to help anyone. They demand "food with taste they like" in a wrong place to make such demands. So, I believe that my words were not harsh at all.

And there you go again: willing to make broad and useless generalizations instead of contributing to the conversation initiated in your topic.

Again, I'm genuinely interested in hearing what you "learned" at the end of ME3. 

Anyone else need further proof that this isn't a useless troll thread?

[BirdsallSa]

3DandBeyond wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

@3d
I'm not some town drunk and I resent that remark. I fail to see why you post my thread about The Intelligence as if I should be ashamed. I stand by my threads as I have a sense of honor unlike others on this thread and I'm sure those same people who loved the ending would love my posts. In fact I know they do as I get daily messages applauding my defense of the game from the wolves of the bsn.

Perhaps you should re-read my post.  I wanted to know what the authors (and not you) were drinking so there was no implication that you were even drinking.

You have made this personal because you have believed a lie about me.  I ask that you stop doing so because prior to this I actually did think you were a decent person.  I was not saying you should be ashamed about it, but because you have blocked me and will not discuss this in private as adults, I have no other venue other than to publicly ask you to read a thread I posted to you in that is relevant to the lie you believe about me.

I don't know why we went from being friends to you attacking me.  I actually am a person with feelings, you know.  I think it's high time you stopped all of this because it's ceasing to be funny.

I'm the one that gets tracked down in my threads by friends of yours, and called an alcoholic with imaginary friends and I'm the one attacking?
http://social.biowar...ndex/16090193/3

I have no idea what you are talking about.  And I certainly do not control what anyone else writes.  You need to be responsible for what you post as does anyone else.  If somehow you think just because someone happens to insult you that they are naturally my friend, then you are sad indeed.  If they happen to share an opinion similar to my own regarding this game, then even that does not signify them being my friend.  If however they have agreed to or asked to be on a friend's list that is something else entirely.  

But you are beginning to make me wonder if this whole thing isn't some sham-where you have attacked me in PMs (when you were once a friend of mine) and have done this for some other purpose.  Perhaps you want an open argument and want me banned just to prove to Seival that you agree with him, when maybe you should now be truthful.  I'm a big believer in the truth.  How about you tell everyone now, eh?  Because I for one am sick of this and I know it's against forum rules.  You made this personal.  You started this and I didn't.  How about you grow up now and come clean.  The truth will set you free.  I have been totally honest.

My God I wish there was a block button that stopped me from seeing other people's posts

[mvaning]

Seival wrote...

tevix wrote...

@BirdsallSa

I take your point.

@Seival

That was a tad harsh, don't you think? Isn't the point of forums to discuss opinions, agree, disagree, consider and see where it goes? It seems like you are alienating anyone who doesn't entirely agree with a certain aspect of the game. That's not particularly fair.

I like the ending, but have criticisms about it. I think it could have been done better. I also still play through the SP game right to the very end and enjoy it. Do I disqualify as a poster for having a few nitpicks?

The problem is that anti-enders are not discussing anything. They only accusing BioWare in incompetence, and make demands. They are creating disturbance. They can't and don't want to help anyone. They demand "food with taste they like" in a wrong place to make such demands. So, I believe that my words were not harsh at all.

I don't think so.   I take time to read posts and I have seen some very well written arguments for why the endings need improvements.    On top of that, this is the place for criticism.     Just because you don't want to hear people's complaints about the ending doesn't mean that they are not entitled to their view-points. 

No offense but  I've never seen you try to help someone who doesn't like the end.   It seems like all you want to do is criticize them for not having the same opinion as you.

[inko1nsiderate]

Seival wrote...

The problem is that anti-enders are not discussing anything. They only accusing BioWare in incompetence, and making demands. They are creating disturbance. They can't and don't want to help anyone. They demand "food with taste they like" in a wrong place to make such demands. So, I believe that my words were not harsh at all.

Is it weird that I don't believe you at all?  You seem so hell bent on an agenda, and I get the feeling that agenda is discrediting people who like the ending by behaving badly.

[o Ventus]

Seival wrote...

The problem is that anti-enders are not discussing anything. They only accusing BioWare in incompetence, and make demands. They are creating disturbance. They can't and don't want to help anyone. They demand "food with taste they like" in a wrong place to make such demands. So, I believe that my words were not harsh at all.

You haven't read very many anti-end posts, have you? Numerous people have gone into excruciating detail as to why the endings aren't well done.

Also congratulations on generalizing and making blanket statements about anti-enders with your last post. In the same vein, I can say that pro-enders are all sycophantic kiss-asses to Bioware, unable to find flaw in their perfect writing.

Modifié par o Ventus, 01 mars 2013 - 09:14 .

[3DandBeyond]

Seival wrote...

tevix wrote...

@BirdsallSa

I take your point.

@Seival

That was a tad harsh, don't you think? Isn't the point of forums to discuss opinions, agree, disagree, consider and see where it goes? It seems like you are alienating anyone who doesn't entirely agree with a certain aspect of the game. That's not particularly fair.

I like the ending, but have criticisms about it. I think it could have been done better. I also still play through the SP game right to the very end and enjoy it. Do I disqualify as a poster for having a few nitpicks?

The problem is that anti-enders are not discussing anything. They only accusing BioWare in incompetence, and make demands. They are creating disturbance. They can't and don't want to help anyone. They demand "food with taste they like" in a wrong place to make such demands. So, I believe that my words were not harsh at all.

You're so wrong here that it's funny.  We have discussed much and it has not only been about such things, but apparently you are not allowing yourself to experience the discussion.  All you can see is what you wish to reply to, rather than what has been said.

You belittle people by stating that they are simplistic in what they wanted in this game.  And yet people have repeatedly shown you that characterization is wrong.  So, whatever, Seival.  Believe what you want to believe.  We've responded over and over again about how we feel about what you've said and you ignore that and then just keep spouting more words with no relevance.  You foment real hatred for real people and that is so sad.

[XqctaX]

I think this is the most useless BS thread on the entire BSN.

well mabey there is one or two by brid that is worse. LOL

Get.
A.
Grip.
Man.
Or.
Woman.
you're-
Out.
Of.
Touch.
With.
Reality.

[Argolas]

As I said, I learned something about my opinion on storytelling from the ending of ME3 by asking myself what I don't like in it and why. I am sure that there is no real lesson for real life in there though.

[o Ventus]

tevix wrote...

If I go to my favorite diner, order a plate and then desert, but the desert doesn't seem to me to be what it was advertised, am I bad customer? What if I politely say to the Waiter(ress) "That cherry pie didn't seem to have as many cherries as I liked. I'll still pay for it, and it wasn't bad, and I'll still come back because I like it here. I just didn't care for the pie".

Am I bad customer?

Yes. How dare you not be 100% satisfied with something that people put time and effort into making. Didn't you know that effort makes them immune to criticism (regardless of it's potentially constructive nature)?

[KwangtungTiger]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Seival wrote...

Just read several additional pages of discussion that appeared here while I was on the job.

Again I see how anti-enders telling about lack of happiness/satisfaction after reading. Again I see how anti-enders are talking about "bad writing" with that old "evidence" that stories "must be written with 100% following standard patterns developed long ago". Anti-enders want to gain satisfaction through reading a story written by following predictable and very well known patterns, where everyone knows what the ending will look like just after they start to read the story... Well, I'm afraid that ME Trilogy is just not for you. You may cry about "bad writing" as long as you wish. That will not change the fact that the entire Trilogy is written very well (especially because of the ending concept).

Dear anti-enders. If you can't find satisfaction in understanding and your personal moral testing results, then what are you doing on Mass Effect forums? Right now most of you just create unneeded disturbance, nothing more. BioWare will never implement your requests, and a lot of fans support that decision. Don't like ME3? Move along then. No need for you to stay on ME3 forums.

Amen

 People like Seival are full of them selves. They expect you to respect their opinion but dont seem to respect others. He titles people "anti-enders" or "haters" who dont agree that ME3 is the most super awsome well written game of all time.

 The forum was created for the purpose of discussion. They even marketed the game as it would be polarizing (Thats exactly what they got). So if you cant handle other's opinions then maybe you should leave the forums or grow up.

 

[BirdsallSa]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Seival wrote...

tevix wrote...

@BirdsallSa

I take your point.

@Seival

That was a tad harsh, don't you think? Isn't the point of forums to discuss opinions, agree, disagree, consider and see where it goes? It seems like you are alienating anyone who doesn't entirely agree with a certain aspect of the game. That's not particularly fair.

I like the ending, but have criticisms about it. I think it could have been done better. I also still play through the SP game right to the very end and enjoy it. Do I disqualify as a poster for having a few nitpicks?

The problem is that anti-enders are not discussing anything. They only accusing BioWare in incompetence, and make demands. They are creating disturbance. They can't and don't want to help anyone. They demand "food with taste they like" in a wrong place to make such demands. So, I believe that my words were not harsh at all.

You're so wrong here that it's funny.  We have discussed much and it has not only been about such things, but apparently you are not allowing yourself to experience the discussion.  All you can see is what you wish to reply to, rather than what has been said.

You belittle people by stating that they are simplistic in what they wanted in this game.  And yet people have repeatedly shown you that characterization is wrong.  So, whatever, Seival.  Believe what you want to believe.  We've responded over and over again about how we feel about what you've said and you ignore that and then just keep spouting more words with no relevance.  You foment real hatred for real people and that is so sad.

The problem is that you're never "discussing" with Seival. You're talking and not listening. And then when he responds in kind you people just write him off. In actuality he is the kindest of people. Have you ever taken the time to actually understand his views? Or are you so stuck in your ways that it's either him listening to your doctrine or nothing at all?