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[3DandBeyond]

BirdsallSa wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

I'm the one that gets tracked down in my threads by friends of yours, and called an alcoholic with imaginary friends and I'm the one attacking?
http://social.biowar...ndex/16090193/3

I have no idea what you are talking about.  And I certainly do not control what anyone else writes.  You need to be responsible for what you post as does anyone else.  If somehow you think just because someone happens to insult you that they are naturally my friend, then you are sad indeed.  If they happen to share an opinion similar to my own regarding this game, then even that does not signify them being my friend.  If however they have agreed to or asked to be on a friend's list that is something else entirely.  

But you are beginning to make me wonder if this whole thing isn't some sham-where you have attacked me in PMs (when you were once a friend of mine) and have done this for some other purpose.  Perhaps you want an open argument and want me banned just to prove to Seival that you agree with him, when maybe you should now be truthful.  I'm a big believer in the truth.  How about you tell everyone now, eh?  Because I for one am sick of this and I know it's against forum rules.  You made this personal.  You started this and I didn't.  How about you grow up now and come clean.  The truth will set you free.  I have been totally honest.

My God I wish there was a block button that stopped me from seeing other people's posts

And I wish you would start treating people decently again as you used to, once upon a time.  I've seen a lot on these forums but I've never seen this and with BW's apparent consent.  I think it's high time you stopped and became more honest and open.  I may not like Seival's views on things, but he has a right to them and should know when he's being ridiculed, mocked, and it's in the guise of someone who says he agrees with him.  I don't believe friendship covers letting someone do that.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 01 mars 2013 - 09:12 .

[Ticonderoga117]

o Ventus wrote...

Seival wrote...

The problem is that anti-enders are not discussing anything. They only accusing BioWare in incompetence, and make demands. They are creating disturbance. They can't and don't want to help anyone. They demand "food with taste they like" in a wrong place to make such demands. So, I believe that my words were not harsh at all.

You haven't read very many anti-end poss, have you? Numerous people have gone into excruciating detail as to why the endings aren't well done.

Also congratulations on generalizing and making blanket statements about anti-enders with your last post. In the same vein, I can say that pro-enders are all sycophantic kiss-asses to Bioware, unable to find flaw in their perfect writing.

I'm quite sure that people who are "pro-enders" tend to disregard those posts as "whiny and complaining" and just refuse to look at them.

[Seival]

tevix wrote...

@Seival

It seems to me your concern is that people who are against the ending cannot still be ok with the product or company as a whole, and demand something better.

Let me ask you this, as an analogy:

If I go to my favorite diner, order a plate and then desert, but the desert doesn't seem to me to be what it was advertised, am I bad customer? What if I politely say to the Waiter(ress) "That cherry pie didn't seem to have as many cherries as I liked. I'll still pay for it, and it wasn't bad, and I'll still come back because I like it here. I just didn't care for the pie".

Am I bad customer?

The answer is: BioWare is not a waitress, and you are not in a restaurant. Don't like the stories they write? Move along. Like the stories they write, but have some suggestions? Make suggestions then (instead of accusing and demanding).

[mvaning]

Seival wrote...


The answer is: BioWare is not a waitress, and you are not in a restaurant. Don't like the stories they write? Move along. Like the stories they write, but have some suggestions? Make suggestions then (instead of accusing and demanding).

you are demanding in this response.    Don't like his opinion?   Move along.  

[3DandBeyond]

Here and now in this thread I'm doing something I wouldn't have believed possible, I'm defending Seival.

No, not because I agree with him on anything, but because he is being misused by a poster who is having a laugh at his expense.

This person who has been challenging everyone in the guise of appearing to defend Seival, is really laughing at everyone. At first, I thought this was meant as a joke, but I think the purpose has turned more malevolent, for whatever reason. I'm not a mod, but I think this needs to stop. No, Seival and I don't see eye to eye, but I defend his right to have an opinion, just as I defend my right to disagree with it. I don't think this should be used as a game for other people.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 01 mars 2013 - 09:19 .

[tevix]

@Seival

BW is a company like any other. I have the choice to critique part of their service but still do business with them.

I have made no accusations nor demands. I have simply stated that I don't entirely agree with the way the ending was written.

No more, no less. I still like the ending, and the game, and the company. Why does this keep warranting attacks?

[inko1nsiderate]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

I'm quite sure that people who are "pro-enders" tend to disregard those posts as "whiny and complaining" and just refuse to look at them.

Wrong.  People who label themselves tend to disreagrd things that don't fit in their labels, regardless of the pecuiliar form their labels take.  I liked the endings, but I have read a lot of posts about why the ending is bad, been in a lot of discussions, etc.  I don't dismiss people with snide accusations of moral inferiority though, and I think it is because I don't label myself as 'pro-ender' or people who disagree as 'anti-ender'.  I enjoyed the endings, a lot of people didn't and think they are horrible writting, and that's that.  We can discuss and argue things, but **** off if you have a problem with how I feel about the ending.  You can doubly **** off if you think it means I am morally inferior or less intelligent because of it too.

Same applies to people who agree with me, but say similarly disparaging things to those who disliked the ending.  They can **** right off too.

And I'm very skpetical of the motives of Bird spanish word for sauce, and a little skeptical of Sevial as well.

Modifié par inko1nsiderate, 01 mars 2013 - 09:22 .

[Zaizer]

BirdsallSa and Seival, too busy looking down from their high horses to notice the road ends with a steep cliff...

[mvaning]

inko1nsiderate wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

I'm quite sure that people who are "pro-enders" tend to disregard those posts as "whiny and complaining" and just refuse to look at them.

Wrong.  People who label themselves tend to disreagrd things that don't fit in their labels, regardless of the pecuiliar form their labels take.  I liked the endings, but I have read a lot of posts about why the ending is bad, been in a lot of discussions, etc.  I don't dismiss people with snide accusations of moral inferiority though, and I think it is because I don't label myself as 'pro-ender' or people who disagree as 'anti-ender'.  I enjoyed the endings, a lot of people didn't and think they are horrible writting, and that's that.  We can discuss and argue things, but **** off if you have a problem with how I feel about the ending.  You can doubly **** off if you think it means I am morally inferior or less intelligent because of it too.

Same applies to people who agree with me, but say similarly disparaging things to those who disliked the ending.  They can **** right off too.

I love being labeled and stereotyped.   It makes me feel like my opinion is so important that I MUST be catagorized.

[o Ventus]

Seival wrote...

The answer is: BioWare is not a waitress, and you are not in a restaurant. Don't like the stories they write? Move along. Like the stories they write, but have some suggestions? Make suggestions then (instead of accusing and demanding).

Point = missed.

I also like how you polarize the idea of opinions here. 

Dont like it? Go away.
Like it? Feel free to provide feedback.

Exactly why can't people who are dissatisfied do the same? Are you not aware that the most constructive feedback often comes from those who don't have the best experiences with said product?

[MattFini]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Here and now in this thread I'm doing something I wouldn't have believed possible, I'm defending Seival.

No, not because I agree with him on anything, but because he is being misused by a poster who is having a laugh at his expense.

This person who has been challenging everyone in the guise of appearing to defend Seival, is really laughing at everyone. At first, I thought this was meant as a joke, but I think the purpose has turned more malevolent, for whatever reason. I'm not a mod, but I think this needs to stop. No, Seival and I don't see eye to eye, but I defend his right to have an opinion, just as I defend my right to disagree with it. I don't think this should be used as a game for other people.

While I agree with you re: that other person, I would love to see Sevial back up his initial statement.

That's all I want, as I was hoping to gleam some understanding of his outlook.

Instead, he'd rather prattle on about "anti-enders" time and time again, which makes him just as guilty as the person in question. 

[BirdsallSa]

3DandBeyond wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

I'm the one that gets tracked down in my threads by friends of yours, and called an alcoholic with imaginary friends and I'm the one attacking?
http://social.biowar...ndex/16090193/3

I have no idea what you are talking about.  And I certainly do not control what anyone else writes.  You need to be responsible for what you post as does anyone else.  If somehow you think just because someone happens to insult you that they are naturally my friend, then you are sad indeed.  If they happen to share an opinion similar to my own regarding this game, then even that does not signify them being my friend.  If however they have agreed to or asked to be on a friend's list that is something else entirely.  

But you are beginning to make me wonder if this whole thing isn't some sham-where you have attacked me in PMs (when you were once a friend of mine) and have done this for some other purpose.  Perhaps you want an open argument and want me banned just to prove to Seival that you agree with him, when maybe you should now be truthful.  I'm a big believer in the truth.  How about you tell everyone now, eh?  Because I for one am sick of this and I know it's against forum rules.  You made this personal.  You started this and I didn't.  How about you grow up now and come clean.  The truth will set you free.  I have been totally honest.

My God I wish there was a block button that stopped me from seeing other people's posts

And I wish you would start treating people decently again as you used to, once upon a time.  I've seen a lot on these forums but I've never seen this and with BW's apparent consent.  I think it's high time you stopped and became more honest and open.  I may not like Seival's views on things, but he has a right to them and should know when he's being ridiculed, mocked, and it's in the guise of someone who says he agrees with him.  I don't believe friendship covers letting someone do that.

That was once upon a time and this is now. You throw around the word friendship and yet know nothing about it. I would bet the shirt on my back that Seival would not go around the whole bsn talking smack about a "friend". People change and I will treat people decently who deserve to be treated decently. And I apparently have a much higher tolerance for that than others as I would certainly never allow others to go into your threads talking smack under my name and ignore it. No apologies, no standing up and saying this is wrong. That's an injustice and Bioware consents to what I do because someone is finally standing up for their product.

I used to think Seival was just a troll or someone living in delusion, but now I understand it's everyone else. None of you ever have facts, you're not interested in discussion and you're certainly not interested in the truth. What you want is people to listen to you like you're the law, and if someone doesn't conform to you just get rid of them because people are expendable and friends don't matter.

I just finished Mass Effect 3 and you know what it taught me this last time? People are terrible. They cannot be trusted to make good decisions, but there is a glimmer of hope. Through being willing to make the ultimate sacrifice we can achieve something greater than our terrible terrible nature. That is the symbolism of the Crucible and Synthesis.

[Ticonderoga117]

inko1nsiderate wrote...
Wrong.  People who label themselves tend to disreagrd things that don't fit in their labels, regardless of the pecuiliar form their labels take.  I liked the endings, but I have read a lot of posts about why the ending is bad, been in a lot of discussions, etc.  I don't dismiss people with snide accusations of moral inferiority though, and I think it is because I don't label myself as 'pro-ender' or people who disagree as 'anti-ender'.  I enjoyed the endings, a lot of people didn't and think they are horrible writting, and that's that.  We can discuss and argue things, but **** off if you have a problem with how I feel about the ending.  You can doubly **** off if you think it means I am morally inferior or less intelligent because of it too.

Same applies to people who agree with me, but say similarly disparaging things to those who disliked the ending.  They can **** right off too.

Doesn't that sort of fit with what I said though? You don't label yourself as either or.

Of course I could simply be completely off-base and wrong here. *Shrug*

[inko1nsiderate]

mvaning wrote...

I love being labeled and stereotyped.   It makes me feel like my opinion is so important that I MUST be catagorized.

Good for you.  Just don't force it on me please.

[Red Panda]

o Ventus wrote...

Seival wrote...

The answer is: BioWare is not a waitress, and you are not in a restaurant. Don't like the stories they write? Move along. Like the stories they write, but have some suggestions? Make suggestions then (instead of accusing and demanding).

Point = missed.

I also like how you polarize the idea of opinions here. 

Dont like it? Go away.
Like it? Feel free to provide feedback.

Exactly why can't people who are dissatisfied do the same? Are you not aware that the most constructive feedback often comes from those who don't have the best experiences with said product?

That's perfectly okay. It's just not healthy to complain about something that is not going to be changed. Do I have the right to post how awful the game is and how the developers should be ashamed? Absolutely not. If I held that opinion, I'd simply have left instead of complaining that a certain type of game doesn't conform to my viewpoint.

There's a degree to which one can provide feedback, but on this forum the majority of "feedback" is bickering, complaining, trolling, and outright toxicness.

Modifié par OperatingWookie, 01 mars 2013 - 09:27 .

[SpamBot2000]

I wouldn't feel too bad for Seival, he seems to be playing for contrarian shock value too. As for Bradley here, his comedy is somewhat inconsistent... but maybe it's just the booze talking.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 01 mars 2013 - 09:27 .

[Seival]

mvaning wrote...

Seival wrote...


The answer is: BioWare is not a waitress, and you are not in a restaurant. Don't like the stories they write? Move along. Like the stories they write, but have some suggestions? Make suggestions then (instead of accusing and demanding).

you are demanding in this response.    Don't like his opinion?   Move along.  

I don't make any demands here. I'm just saying thanks to BioWare, and showing them my support. Unlike anti-enders I believe BioWare did the great job.

[inko1nsiderate]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Doesn't that sort of fit with what I said though? You don't label yourself as either or.

Of course I could simply be completely off-base and wrong here. *Shrug*

I could have missed your point, that is true.  I don't label myself, but that doesn't mean I don't have a strong opinion about the ending.  I just fear my opinion about the ending clumps me in with people who use labels.  I do not want to be included in that weird internet tribalism.

Modifié par inko1nsiderate, 01 mars 2013 - 09:29 .

[tevix]

@BirdsallSa

"I treat people decently who treat me decently" (Or however that exactly was worded)

Answer: No you don't. I have tried on repeated occasions to be respectful towards you, even agreeing with one of your points. You still attack, insult and make accusations against me.

So, no not really.

[tevix]

@Seival

"Don't like the stories they write? Move along."

That is in fact, a demand.

[mvaning]

Seival wrote...

mvaning wrote...

Seival wrote...


The answer is: BioWare is not a waitress, and you are not in a restaurant. Don't like the stories they write? Move along. Like the stories they write, but have some suggestions? Make suggestions then (instead of accusing and demanding).

you are demanding in this response.    Don't like his opinion?   Move along.  

I don't make any demands here. I'm just saying thanks to BioWare, and showing them my support. Unlike anti-enders I believe BioWare did the great job.

It seems to me like your just trying to pick a fight with generalizations and name calling.   "Antienders", what is that anyways?   Some sort of political party?  

[BirdsallSa]

tevix wrote...

@BirdsallSa

"I treat people decently who treat me decently" (Or however that exactly was worded)

Answer: No you don't. I have tried on repeated occasions to be respectful towards you, even agreeing with one of your points. You still attack, insult and make accusations against me.

So, no not really.

ffs. Tevix I hold no ill will against you. I have simply been very hotheaded as of late, because there is a conspiracy against me on the bsn. Are we good?

[Massa FX]

@ OP Seival. Good luck with the analysis. It'll be hard to be objective... The game's mem's and lessons are truly subjective and as such... no two people will agree on any two topics. Even amongst pro-enders group and anti-enders group, there's diversity of opinion.

[Ticonderoga117]

OperatingWookie wrote...
That's perfectly okay. It's just not healthy to complain about something that is not going to be changed. Do I have the right to post how awful the game is and how the developers should be ashamed? Absolutely not. If I held that opinion, I'd simply have left instead of complaining that a certain type of game doesn't conform to my viewpoint.

There's a degree to which one can provide feedback, but on this forum the majority of "feedback" is bickering, complaining, trolling, and outright toxicness.

It doesn't help that all the good discussions were dismissed as a "vocal minority who only want a stupid Disney ending and they have zero appreication for a good story".

And then having the devs completely miss the issues with the EC and then be completely quiet about everything.

Does that excuse everything? Hell no.

[tevix]

@BirdsallSa

I'm always good. Just don't jump to assumptions based on limited information from my posts. If you question the meaning or intention behind one, please ask.