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[BirdsallSa]

tevix wrote...

@BirdsallSa

I'm always good. Just don't jump to assumptions based on limited information from my posts. If you question the meaning or intention behind one, please ask.

That was a very aggressively written post for someone constantly claiming to be a victim.

[3DandBeyond]

inko1nsiderate wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

I'm quite sure that people who are "pro-enders" tend to disregard those posts as "whiny and complaining" and just refuse to look at them.

Wrong.  People who label themselves tend to disreagrd things that don't fit in their labels, regardless of the pecuiliar form their labels take.  I liked the endings, but I have read a lot of posts about why the ending is bad, been in a lot of discussions, etc.  I don't dismiss people with snide accusations of moral inferiority though, and I think it is because I don't label myself as 'pro-ender' or people who disagree as 'anti-ender'.  I enjoyed the endings, a lot of people didn't and think they are horrible writting, and that's that.  We can discuss and argue things, but **** off if you have a problem with how I feel about the ending.  You can doubly **** off if you think it means I am morally inferior or less intelligent because of it too.

Same applies to people who agree with me, but say similarly disparaging things to those who disliked the ending.  They can **** right off too.

Well, that's to the point and I do actually agree here.  I think there must be a distinction always made so as not to cast everyone in the same light.  Labels need to go, but they won't.  This is the problem here on the BSN.  People take sides, label others, and then reply to hot button words.  So, people who disliked a game's ending become whiny entitled haters, and those that don't become BW employees using pseudonyms or mindless drones with no hold on reality-people are stereotyped so as to marginalize them.  If the person with the opinion is stupid, then the opinion has no merit-that's the belief in the minds of many.

The point here is that we all come from different backgrounds.  We have different understandings of things-not that we are stupid or brilliant, but we SEE things differently.  Diversity at its best, really.  But, we suffer from this notion that quite often it's some kind of insult if someone disagrees with us, when that's not true.  This is the house Bioware created and has utterly wrecked and all because they failed to see the diversity that existed and the diversity that they promised when they said we were basically creating our own story along the way, making choices that mattered.  I am glad for anyone that likes the ending they got and feels that it works rationally for them and then can make a good case for that (though they don't have to).  I'd have been happier if BW had remembered that within the game was that internal promise that I too would get an ending that I'd like-they created the dialogue that led me to believe I'd get that ending and then they failed to create one.  And none of what I have is rational in the sense of how I played and viewed the story. and game.

The real idiocy for me comes when someone tries to tell me that it's because I know nothing of real life, but that's a funny thing for someone to say.  We all live real lives and we laugh and cry and see happy things and sad things and we know much about it.  I have lived longer than many on this forum and as such have had my share of tragedy as well as happiness and I know what I wanted in the end of the game.  I also know that Bioware knew that I wasn't alone in wanting that-they'd set us up for that and then pulled the rug out from under us and then enlisted a few to call us names for not liking what they'd created.  I don't think that everyone who likes the endings are irrational, nor do I believe of course that those that do nor are self-entitled whiners.  I think we're all different and BW set us up to believe we'd each get an ending that appeals to us.  The problem is the "injured" party who didn't get that ending often does end up being attacked for continuing to state something that BW is deaf to-a desire for something we paid for.

[Seival]

mvaning wrote...

Seival wrote...

mvaning wrote...

Seival wrote...


The answer is: BioWare is not a waitress, and you are not in a restaurant. Don't like the stories they write? Move along. Like the stories they write, but have some suggestions? Make suggestions then (instead of accusing and demanding).

you are demanding in this response.    Don't like his opinion?   Move along.  

I don't make any demands here. I'm just saying thanks to BioWare, and showing them my support. Unlike anti-enders I believe BioWare did the great job.

It seems to me like your just trying to pick a fight with generalizations and name calling.   "Antienders", what is that anyways?   Some sort of political party?  

Anti-enders are people who demand to change ME3 ending concept, i.e. making pointless demands, and creating a lot of disturbance on BSN in the process.

[BirdsallSa]

The problem on the bsn is not any of what was mentioned above. The problem with the bsn is a small group of people who cannot accept reality that the ending is the ending we have and it's the best ending we could have asked for.

[DetcelferVisionary]

Clearly, some think that a bad ending must mean it's artistic. There are lots of bittersweet endings, Notebook or another recently provided example of The Mist are ended masterfully. ME3's ending on the other hand is just a slap to the face. It's not what we came to see. We had a good idea from trailers and synopsis of what we were getting with Notebook and The Mist.

[BirdsallSa]

Seival this thread has been invaded by nothing but anti-enders who have no substance to their arguments. I'd say we've thoroughly outplayed them. I'll be going now to tend to my Citadel review. I'll contact you Tuesday about the collaborative review. Though we should really see about signing auld wulf on to the project as I think he has some good insights and with the review being of a trilogy it only makes sense for us to have a trio working on it.

[KwangtungTiger]

BirdsallSa wrote...

The problem on the bsn is not any of what was mentioned above. The problem with the bsn is a small group of people who cannot accept reality that the ending is the ending we have and it's the best ending "I" could have asked for.

 Fixed that for you. While im not one of Seival's "anti-enders".  That last sentence is merely your opinion.

[Ticonderoga117]

Seival wrote...
Anti-enders are people who demand to change ME3 ending concept, i.e. making pointless demands, and creating a lot of disturbance on BSN in the process.

To one that fits with the other 99% of the series; not one that better fits in Deus Ex, which is hardly pointless.

[gavinbrindstaar]

3DandBeyond wrote...
Well, that's to the point and I do actually agree here.  I think there must be a distinction always made so as not to cast everyone in the same light.  Labels need to go, but they won't.  This is the problem here on the BSN.  People take sides, label others, and then reply to hot button words.  So, people who disliked a game's ending become whiny entitled haters, and those that don't become BW employees using pseudonyms or mindless drones with no hold on reality-people are stereotyped so as to marginalize them.  If the person with the opinion is stupid, then the opinion has no merit-that's the belief in the minds of many.

The point here is that we all come from different backgrounds.  We have different understandings of things-not that we are stupid or brilliant, but we SEE things differently.  Diversity at its best, really.  But, we suffer from this notion that quite often it's some kind of insult if someone disagrees with us, when that's not true.  This is the house Bioware created and has utterly wrecked and all because they failed to see the diversity that existed and the diversity that they promised when they said we were basically creating our own story along the way, making choices that mattered.  I am glad for anyone that likes the ending they got and feels that it works rationally for them and then can make a good case for that (though they don't have to).  I'd have been happier if BW had remembered that within the game was that internal promise that I too would get an ending that I'd like-they created the dialogue that led me to believe I'd get that ending and then they failed to create one.  And none of what I have is rational in the sense of how I played and viewed the story. and game.

The real idiocy for me comes when someone tries to tell me that it's because I know nothing of real life, but that's a funny thing for someone to say.  We all live real lives and we laugh and cry and see happy things and sad things and we know much about it.  I have lived longer than many on this forum and as such have had my share of tragedy as well as happiness and I know what I wanted in the end of the game.  I also know that Bioware knew that I wasn't alone in wanting that-they'd set us up for that and then pulled the rug out from under us and then enlisted a few to call us names for not liking what they'd created.  I don't think that everyone who likes the endings are irrational, nor do I believe of course that those that do nor are self-entitled whiners.  I think we're all different and BW set us up to believe we'd each get an ending that appeals to us.  The problem is the "injured" party who didn't get that ending often does end up being attacked for continuing to state something that BW is deaf to-a desire for something we paid for.

/all threads.
I'll admit to doing this. I try to treat people who liked the endings with respect, but sometimes I'll roll my eyes at what they say, or think they're trolls. But, although I might not like what they say, everyone deserves their own opinion. 
So here goes:
Birdsallsa and Sevial: I respect your opinions on the ending. I make no assumptions about why you liked it or not. That is your business.
I ask that you show the same courtesy to everyone else.

Modifié par gavinbrindstaar, 01 mars 2013 - 09:45 .

[mvaning]

Seival wrote...

mvaning wrote...

Seival wrote...

mvaning wrote...

Seival wrote...


The answer is: BioWare is not a waitress, and you are not in a restaurant. Don't like the stories they write? Move along. Like the stories they write, but have some suggestions? Make suggestions then (instead of accusing and demanding).

you are demanding in this response.    Don't like his opinion?   Move along.  

I don't make any demands here. I'm just saying thanks to BioWare, and showing them my support. Unlike anti-enders I believe BioWare did the great job.

It seems to me like your just trying to pick a fight with generalizations and name calling.   "Antienders", what is that anyways?   Some sort of political party?  

Anti-enders are people who demand to change ME3 ending concept, i.e. making pointless demands, and creating a lot of disturbance on BSN in the process.

What makes their demands pointless?     What gives you the right to categorize them into an "anti-ender" group?   

[SpamBot2000]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Seival this thread has been invaded by nothing but anti-enders who have no substance to their arguments. I'd say we've thoroughly outplayed them. I'll be going now to tend to my Citadel review. I'll contact you Tuesday about the collaborative review. Though we should really see about signing auld wulf on to the project as I think he has some good insights and with the review being of a trilogy it only makes sense for us to have a trio working on it.

That's gonna be so great. A supergroup of sorts.

This will really put us binary-thinkin' thugs in our place.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 01 mars 2013 - 09:47 .

[Ticonderoga117]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Seival this thread has been invaded by nothing but anti-enders who have no substance to their arguments. I'd say we've thoroughly outplayed them. I'll be going now to tend to my Citadel review. I'll contact you Tuesday about the collaborative review. Though we should really see about signing auld wulf on to the project as I think he has some good insights and with the review being of a trilogy it only makes sense for us to have a trio working on it.

So many things to say, yet I'm just going to say: I can't wait to see how badly your review lines up with what is actually presented. Since it hasn't come out yet.

[BirdsallSa]

mvaning wrote...

Seival wrote...

mvaning wrote...

Seival wrote...

mvaning wrote...

Seival wrote...


The answer is: BioWare is not a waitress, and you are not in a restaurant. Don't like the stories they write? Move along. Like the stories they write, but have some suggestions? Make suggestions then (instead of accusing and demanding).

you are demanding in this response.    Don't like his opinion?   Move along.  

I don't make any demands here. I'm just saying thanks to BioWare, and showing them my support. Unlike anti-enders I believe BioWare did the great job.

It seems to me like your just trying to pick a fight with generalizations and name calling.   "Antienders", what is that anyways?   Some sort of political party?  

Anti-enders are people who demand to change ME3 ending concept, i.e. making pointless demands, and creating a lot of disturbance on BSN in the process.

What makes their demands pointless?     What gives you the right to categorize them into an "anti-ender" group?   

Sorry saw this post and had to come back. How about all of Bioware saying they are done with the endings? That makes it pointless, and that's what categorizes them. Seival is merely enforcing it, since none of the anti enders seem to understand it even though Bioware has spelled it out 1000 times.

[mvaning]

BirdsallSa wrote...

mvaning wrote...

Seival wrote...

mvaning wrote...

Seival wrote...

mvaning wrote...

Seival wrote...


The answer is: BioWare is not a waitress, and you are not in a restaurant. Don't like the stories they write? Move along. Like the stories they write, but have some suggestions? Make suggestions then (instead of accusing and demanding).

you are demanding in this response.    Don't like his opinion?   Move along.  

I don't make any demands here. I'm just saying thanks to BioWare, and showing them my support. Unlike anti-enders I believe BioWare did the great job.

It seems to me like your just trying to pick a fight with generalizations and name calling.   "Antienders", what is that anyways?   Some sort of political party?  

Anti-enders are people who demand to change ME3 ending concept, i.e. making pointless demands, and creating a lot of disturbance on BSN in the process.

What makes their demands pointless?     What gives you the right to categorize them into an "anti-ender" group?   

Sorry saw this post and had to come back. How about all of Bioware saying they are done with the endings? That makes it pointless, and that's what categorizes them. Seival is merely enforcing it, since none of the anti enders seem to understand it even though Bioware has spelled it out 1000 times.

 I rarely see people actually demand that the ending should change.    More often I see people give the ending a bad review or they "ask" bioware to change the ending, which is entirely different than demanding. 

Regardless of this, even if they are demanding a change -- they have the right to demand that change.   The only people who can enforce anything are the moderators.    The rest of us are expected to be respectful towards other posters regardless of our biases.   Calling people "anti-enders" and purposefully using tactics to provoke arguments is not really respectful.

Modifié par mvaning, 01 mars 2013 - 09:55 .

[F4H bandicoot]

BirdsallSa wrote...

The problem on the bsn is not any of what was mentioned above. The problem with the bsn is a small group of people who cannot accept reality that the ending is the ending we have and it's the best ending we could have asked for.

[3DandBeyond]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Seival this thread has been invaded by nothing but anti-enders who have no substance to their arguments. I'd say we've thoroughly outplayed them. I'll be going now to tend to my Citadel review. I'll contact you Tuesday about the collaborative review. Though we should really see about signing auld wulf on to the project as I think he has some good insights and with the review being of a trilogy it only makes sense for us to have a trio working on it.

So many things to say, yet I'm just going to say: I can't wait to see how badly your review lines up with what is actually presented. Since it hasn't come out yet.

Let me state this to be clear.  It's time to stop responding to him.  Seival, I believe is authentic, but the other poster is not.  He made me participate in a lie and I don't like lies.  I think it's time he stopped.  He is laughing at Seival and trying to make Seival think he supports him.  And worst of all, it makes use of the fact that Seival doesn't understand this and even when he is overly sarcastic about things, Seival can't understand it-it's kind of lost in translation.  I don't think it's funny at all.  If I have a point to make with Seival, I will do it straight up and post a reply to him.  So, please understand Seival appears to genuinely believe some things, the other person does not.

[TheRealJayDee]

I strongly encourage everyone to abandon this thread and refrain from further "discussion" with BirdsallSa.

[Seival]

DetcelferVisionary wrote...

Clearly, some think that a bad ending must mean it's artistic. There are lots of bittersweet endings, Notebook or another recently provided example of The Mist are ended masterfully. ME3's ending on the other hand is just a slap to the face. It's not what we came to see. We had a good idea from trailers and synopsis of what we were getting with Notebook and The Mist.

Relevant slap to a face is a nice way to wake someone up for thinking about some important things. The problem is that some people consider relevant slap to a face as a personal insult, and consider the one who performed it as an enemy.

Yes, ME3 ending is relevant slap to a face. And you should not hate BioWare and ME3 for that. You should think, and make constructive conclusions. "It's not what we came to see" is a childish statement. Lessons and tests are not always pleasent.

Modifié par Seival, 01 mars 2013 - 09:57 .

[mvaning]

Seival wrote...

DetcelferVisionary wrote...

Clearly, some think that a bad ending must mean it's artistic. There are lots of bittersweet endings, Notebook or another recently provided example of The Mist are ended masterfully. ME3's ending on the other hand is just a slap to the face. It's not what we came to see. We had a good idea from trailers and synopsis of what we were getting with Notebook and The Mist.

Relevant slap to a face is a nice way to wake someone up for thinking about some important things. The problem is that some people consider relevant slap to a face as a personal insult, and consider the one who performed it as an enemy.

Yes, ME3 ending is relevant slap to a face. And you should not hate BioWare and ME3 for that. You should think, and make constructive conclusions. "It's not what we came to see" is a childish statement. Lessons and tests are not always pleasent.

I would like to hear your opinion on how you think ME3 is a relevant slap to a face.

[inko1nsiderate]

 Breaking News: BirdsallSa is a troll.

[o Ventus]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Seival this thread has been invaded by nothing but anti-enders who have no substance to their arguments. I'd say we've thoroughly outplayed them. I'll be going now to tend to my Citadel review. I'll contact you Tuesday about the collaborative review. Though we should really see about signing auld wulf on to the project as I think he has some good insights and with the review being of a trilogy it only makes sense for us to have a trio working on it.

That's gonna be so great. A supergroup of sorts.

This will really put us binary-thinkin', genocidal, luddite-worshippin' thugs in our place.

Edited for clarification.

[Kaidan Fan]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

I strongly encourage everyone to abandon this thread and refrain from further "discussion" with BirdsallSa.

Who is that? 

Joking aside, I left this thread yesterday because obvious crap stirrers were obvious.  I think 3D and Han Shot First summed up everything that needed to be discussed well enough.

[F4H bandicoot]

inko1nsiderate wrote...

 Breaking News: BirdsallSa is a troll.

Just for the lazy people

http://puu.sh/2atdi

[Eterna]

People are so mean to Seival.

[SpamBot2000]

inko1nsiderate wrote...

 Breaking News: BirdsallSa is a troll.

You got to hand it to him though, the line about his friends, "great writers" of "private notes" was excellent.