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[Reap_ii]

the ending sucked, not because of the sad ending, but because it was bad writing with plot holes so deep it requires mental gymnastics and unprecedented amounts of head canon to fill those holes. anyone disputing that is certainly welcome to thier opinion, but its not a well educated opinion.

[SNascimento]

Images wrote...

The OP needs to get off his/her high horse before it kicks them in the head again.

What a load of rubbish. People don't dislike the endings because they're unhappy, they dislike them because they're illogical, cobbled together and ignore a plethora of choices across an entire series of games.

I'd call you a troll but I think that would be insulting to trolls. They at least get a schadenfreude based kick out of what they do.

97,34% of everybody that hate the endings do it because they are unhappy. Have Bioware made destroy the kill the reapers go live happyly ever after the endings would have been very well accepted.

[KBomb]

SNascimento wrote...

97,34% of everybody that hate the endings do it because they are unhappy. Have Bioware made destroy the kill the reapers go live happyly ever after the endings would have been very well accepted.

Odd that people keep saying this. I have seen a lot of people on these boards who hate the endings of Mass Effect 3, yet love The Walking Dead game. So, I call rubbish on this, "They only hate it because the endings weren't happy enough!" It's become a go-to tactical excuse for pro-enders to use when they choose to ignore reason after reason after reason because they loved the endings and can't possibly fathom why everyone doesn't hold the same opinion.

Modifié par KBomb, 01 mars 2013 - 01:04 .

[moater boat]

Oh look, another claim that the biggest problem with ending is that it wasn't happy enough. Some people just can't get it through their thick skulls that there are plenty of people who would have accepted a much more depressing ending if it actually made sense.

[Images]

SNascimento wrote...

Images wrote...

The OP needs to get off his/her high horse before it kicks them in the head again.

What a load of rubbish. People don't dislike the endings because they're unhappy, they dislike them because they're illogical, cobbled together and ignore a plethora of choices across an entire series of games.

I'd call you a troll but I think that would be insulting to trolls. They at least get a schadenfreude based kick out of what they do.

97,34% of everybody that hate the endings do it because they are unhappy. Have Bioware made destroy the kill the reapers go live happyly ever after the endings would have been very well accepted.

You're right. People hate unhappy endings. Its why everyone hates the endings to Casablanca, Blade Runner and Old Boy. <_<

Modifié par Images, 01 mars 2013 - 01:10 .

[Sc2mashimaro]

 I agree with that 100%, OP.

I mean it when I say the EC fixed almost every complaint I had about the end of the game. And, put back together with the rest, it's a brilliant whole.

The ending is not a "happy" ending (although in High EMS Destroy there is sort-of action-hero is-he-still-alive moment), but there is complexity there and some poetry even. The epilogue ties it all back together with the story (maybe not as neatly as some would have liked, but it works) and makes the ending all a bit more Isaac Asimov - something I think they were going for.

[StayFrosty05]

BirdsallSa wrote...

...snip....

No she did not "nail it". Seival nailed it. He has nailed it on every post in every thread. It is criminal to not recognize this. I wasn't going to respond to this thread anymore, but I just received a message from a fellow pro ender thanking me for my services on the forums and it has convinced me to dismantle this post. If you people want to escape real life so bad then go watch a movie or read a fantasy book. This is more than a saturday morning cartoon, There are real consequences to decisions. Do I kill Petrovsky for his crimes against humanity or let him live another day to gain intel on the Illusive Man. A man's life hangs in the balance but more importantly, how far are you willing to go to serve justice? Far enough to let Cerberus take control of the galaxy? Because that's what happens if he dies. The same can be said for any of the gut wrenching decisions in this game. Well, the ending is no different. And there's only one right choice. There's only one choice that rids us of the conflict for good and that's synthesis. The Intelligence tells us this himself and it is not an opinion this is not the girl scouts selling cookies this is a fact.

Ummm....I hate to be rude but I actually prefer to avoid conversing with you...you concern me....

My dear friend...a Professor of Psychology...would probably find you quite an interesting subject though.

[Morty Smith]

So much breath wasted.

[MegaSovereign]

dreamgazer wrote...

Quite the smorgasbord of warped hyperbole from all directions going on in here.

Is that not why you are here?

[El Mito]

Seival wrote...

Deep and instructive stories always create noisy debates, because a lot of people consider some other people opinions as personal insults. The deeper the story, the more it questions and tests moralities of different people - the more intense are the debates.

Where are the people, who think that peace can be achieved by toleration and following the rules? My advise to those people: look at BSN and reconsider, please. Different entities will always fight each other. Even if the entities are just humans with different ways of thinking.

...Even BSN itself proves that everything Catalyst said is true.

All I can do is laugh when such trolling is allowed by the mods. Do you want to know why the BSN is the laughing stock of the internet? There it is.

[SNascimento]

KBomb wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

97,34% of everybody that hate the endings do it because they are unhappy. Have Bioware made destroy the kill the reapers go live happyly ever after the endings would have been very well accepted.

Odd that people keep saying this. I have seen a lot of people on these boards who hate the endings of Mass Effect 3, yet love The Walking Dead game. So, I call rubbish on this, "They only hate it because the endings weren't happy enough!" It's become a go-to tactical excuse for pro-enders to use when they choose to ignore reason after reason after reason because they loved the endings and can't possibly fathom why everyone doesn't hold the same opinion.

Well, then I could use the Dark Knight Rises as a example of how many people loved it as a ending to a trilogy even though it's ridden with plotholes. It's hard to judge A using B. 

I reach my conclusion because of the comments I've seen here, what people say they want from a new ending, what they hate most about the ones we've got, and stuff.  Not to mention that a lot of the critics ME3 suffers (plotholes, ignoring previous lore, lack of attention to previous choices, etc) were already present in ME2 and yet, it is the most loved game in the franchise. 

[ManiacG]

^ yet it didnt stink quite as much in me2 wouldt you say?

[Random Geth]

Honestly, I didn't even read the OP and I know this is another "you're just mad because the ending isn't happy blah blah blah" bit of mind-boggling ignorance. I would try to tell you that that isn't why people dislike the idiocy that is ME3's ending, but it obviously doesn't work.

If you think BioWare's utter garbage of an ending is fitting and entertaining, then great for you. But it's hated because it's a bad ending, not because "it's sad" or whatever self-constructed reason its fans present.

[XxBrokenBonezxX]

crimzontearz wrote...

Totally....and I will still choose destroy or its equivalents in future stories by BW simply because my happiness is worth more, to me, than their art

go back under the bridge Seival

+1000
In any case, it wasn't this great emotional story it could've been, it's a failed attempt to be "deep".

[TheCrazyHobo]

drayfish wrote...


Thank you for the lesson Bioware.

You've shown me that diversity and unity are an empty, hopeless lie. The only way to stop intollerance and fear is through genocide, totalitarianism, or eugenics. And if people don't believe that, they should die, and watch everyone they loved slaughtered because they were a coward.

What a beautiful message.

Modifié par TheCrazyHobo, 01 mars 2013 - 02:43 .

[SiriusXI]

Seival wrote...

Some stories are told to teach some vital lessons, or share thoughts on some very important matters. These stories are truely deep and instructive, and they cannot have happy endings. They are all bittersweet. Just like the real life.

Mass Effect Trilogy is that kind of story... To think about important things, and make your own conclusions. To test you own morality in the crucible of dire and inevitable events. To learn a lesson and find comfort in important things you understood.

To like such story is to accept and understand its main idea. You don't have to be happy after reading. But you will certainly become a little wiser.



Once again, I want to say thanks to BioWare, and especially the writers. I hope you will keep creating stories like Mass Effect Trilogy in the future no matter what some disappointed people say. The Trilogy was golden. The Ending was brilliant. You will be remembered as one of the best sci-fi storytellers.

Oh my god, I've had it with these insulting posts. The Ending to ME3 is not hated because it is dark or sad or teaches us lessons about difficult and deep philosophical ideas or ideals.

The Ending is hated because it makes NO sense, goes against established themes, has horribly naive, pseudo-philosophical implications that disgust me beyond anything I've ever encountered in any medium since Deutsch-Rock-N*zi-Bands.


There is a huge, HUGE difference between a story ening SAD and a story ending BAD. Yes, it seems like a small difference, because the only thing different in the WORD is the initial letters "S" and "B", but the meaning is vastly different.


I hope I can explain it to you so you get, but I have no hope. Anyway, here it goes:

Sad endings can be good or bad, as in well and poorly told.

Happy endings can be good or bad, as in well and poorly told.

Bitter-Sweet enings can be good or bad, as in well and poorly told.


Mass Effect 3 aims at a Bitter-Sweet ening, but it is poorly told. We hate it, not because of the Bitter-Sweat part, but because it is POORLY TOLD.


Stop insulting our intelligence with your foolish threads about how ending haters are oh so weak that they cannot take a "sad" ending that "teaches valuable lessons". There is NOTHING to be learned here. This ending is is just plain bad.

It seems ening lovers have to convine themselves contantly about this. Why else do these threads even exist? "Thanks Bioware! We love you! You are the awesomest game developeeer eveeer! I don't even reflect critically what you give me, I just invent excuses why all the s*it you give me stinks so well!"

Bioware has made some great stuff. They diserve praise for this. But ME3s ending is not one of them. It deserves only laughter, hate and neglection.

Modifié par SiriusXI, 01 mars 2013 - 02:59 .

[RocketManSR2]

Oh, Seival, you are a riot. Thank you for the epic laughs.

[TheRealJayDee]

If I was in the mood for it I would once again post a list of some of my favourite games that have endings that go from bittersweet to downright sad, but I'm not.

So for me, as for many others, the problem is not the lack of a happy ending just for the sake of always having a happy end to every story, but the lack of an ending that's well thought out, well written and fits the story told in the Mass Effect trilogy.

I can put my name under most everything 3DandBeyond and drayfish (and others) write and shake my head in disbelief at some of the things some other folks can get away with saying without any consequences.

[Steelcan]

I propose we all just ignore BirdsallSa, Auld Wolf, and Seival. Then once they run out of prey, they can go back under their bridge and leave the rest of us alone.

[BirdsallSa]

Steelcan wrote...

I propose we all just ignore BirdsallSa, Auld Wolf, and Seival. Then once they run out of prey, they can go back under their bridge and leave the rest of us alone.

We will not be ignored. We are fighting for something many on the bsn fail to understand, justice. Where honor has been lost, we will be there. When a thread is going off topic, we will be there. When someone is shouting their opinion as fact with no evidence, we will be there. We will never abandon the bsn not for money, power or any other alterior motive aside from duty that demands we stand our ground.

[RedBeardJim]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I propose we all just ignore BirdsallSa, Auld Wolf, and Seival. Then once they run out of prey, they can go back under their bridge and leave the rest of us alone.

We will not be ignored. We are fighting for something many on the bsn fail to understand, justice. Where honor has been lost, we will be there. When a thread is going off topic, we will be there. When someone is shouting their opinion as fact with no evidence, we will be there. We will never abandon the bsn not for money, power or any other alterior motive aside from duty that demands we stand our ground.

Kind of by default, yes.

[AlanC9]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

I can put my name under most everything 3DandBeyond and drayfish (and others) write and shake my head in disbelief at some of the things some other folks can get away with saying without any consequences.

Wait...... consequences?

[Ryoten]

Nothing but Emo kids in here "i want my super dark and deep story". Happy endings are good stories. Star Trek: TNG...best ending ever. There....

This thread can now be put to rest.

[Reap_ii]

Ryoten wrote...

Nothing but Emo kids in here "i want my super dark and deep story". Happy endings are good stories. Star Trek: TNG...best ending ever. There....

This thread can now be put to rest.

happy endings can be good, but so can sad endings.  however, bad endings are never good endings.