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[McFlurry598]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Think about all the problems you've had with each of the games. Just think about it. Are these games really amongst the greatest of all time? Was there really a legacy to keep? Is it really worth it to get worked up over them?

ME1

- Poor shooting mechanics

- Poorly designed and repeatdley used buildings for side quests.

- Redundant, time consuming side quests. Find the writings, collect minerals, etc.

- "Illusion of choice" speech options. You're character would say the same thing no matter what you chose.

- Buggy at certain moments and in certain situations. The infinite falling motion comes to mind.

- Characters that were predictable, mainly looking at Garrus, Ashley and Kaidan.

ME2

- Didn't advance the main plot in any significant way.

- The death at the beginning really felt like an excuse to introduce new characters. I know it was the purpose, but it was extremely obvious.

- Getting upgrades involved tedious planet scanning.

- Higher difficulty = Slap armor on everything.

- Extremely predictable combat. Run into a room, take place behind the obvious cover. Level design felt uninspired.

- Paragon/Renegade speech system limited players very much.


ME3

- A lot of scripted interactions with your squad mates. Having choice in your reaction is half the interest.

- Many of the things that were important or good in ME1 and ME2 were really made irrelevant. Almost seemed like the team did it on purpose. A lot of squad mates were cut, decisions were completely disregarded or made irrelevant in the grand scheme of things and romantic relationships were actively destroyed.

- War assets in the place of a seen difference.

- Side quests that combined the tediousness of ME1 fetching with ME2 scanning. They improved the scanning, but removed the exploration involved with fetching.

- Horrible journal system.

- Uninspired characters, such as Kai Leng, being of major importance in the game.



Now I'm not saying the series was bad. I'm just saying that I'm not quite sure it deserves the title of one of the best ever, given it's flaws. I'm also saying that when considering the flaws, ME3 isn't really that bad when compared to the first two.

Ok dude, I think thats enough ME bashing for you. First you  bash on Admiral Hackett, now ALL the Mass Effects? Wtf is your problem? Stop bashing on ME and spamming the forums

[Mr.House]

ME series is overrated imo. ME and ME3 where ok but nothing mind blowing. ME2 is one of the most overated piece of trash ever chucked out in the video game industry.

Decent games, but there are better stuff out there, and Bioware has also created better games then ME1,2 and 3.

[v0rt3x22]

Maybe BioWare should have stayed single

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 28 février 2013 - 10:58 .

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

Yes, the games are generally overrated. Your list of flaws is far from comprehensive, though.

[D1ck1e]

I agree with the OP, yet Only Dragon Age Origin* brought as much fun as ME did. Sad but true.

Modifié par D1ck1e, 28 février 2013 - 10:59 .

[Sentient6]

I've been thinking that since ME2, to be honest. ME1 was good, but ME2 - decent, at best, despite all the high praise it was getting (from somewhere...). ME3 seemed like a step forward at first, but then completely crashed and burned.

[McFlurry598]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

McFlurry598 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

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Ok dude, I think thats enough ME bashing for you. First you  bash on Admiral Hackett, now ALL the Mass Effects? Wtf is your problem? Stop bashing on ME and spamming the forums

I don't see how criticising one character and pointing out flaws in the games is bashing or spam. These games aren't perfect or maybe great, they have flaws. Saying they don't would simply be a lie.

EVERY game has flaws.  Your'e simply bashing on everything Mass Effect. Your flaws are mere opinions anyways. The fact that you chose Mass Effect to bash on means you probably are still angry about the endings. If you don't like the games, don't play them, it's as simple as 123

[Drewton]

Every time I go back to Mass Effect, even 3, I'm remind that it's just better than 95% of the games out there.

[Smeffects]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Think about all the problems you've had with each of the games. Just think about it. Are these games really amongst the greatest of all time? Was there really a legacy to keep? Is it really worth it to get worked up over them?

ME1

- Poor shooting mechanics (agreed)

- Poorly designed and repeatdley used buildings for side quests. (agreed)

- Redundant, time consuming side quests. Find the writings, collect minerals, etc. (agreed)

- "Illusion of choice" speech options. You're character would say the same thing no matter what you chose (agreed)

- Buggy at certain moments and in certain situations. The infinite falling motion comes to mind. (agreed)

- Characters that were predictable, mainly looking at Garrus, Ashley and Kaidan. (Not really a fault, not everyone is unpredictable in life)

ME2

- Didn't advance the main plot in any significant way.(This is not completly true, it is in the context where ME3 is how they made it. You found out what exactly the reapers were after when they destroy the civilisation in every cycle, building their own. You destroyed or keept that huge piece of technology that had many future answers. The collector base and the reaper reproduction could have been central to the plot of ME3, but they didnt make it so. You cant blame the story that came before for the story that came after not using its plot  AT ALL. The knowledge from ME2 ending should have been at the center of ME3, but it did not. Instead they went with space magic and space god.)

- The death at the beginning really felt like an excuse to introduce new characters. I know it was the purpose, but it was extremely obvious. (agreed, not really a flaw though)

- Getting upgrades involved tedious planet scanning. (agreed)

- Higher difficulty = Slap armor on everything. (agreed, but it made the difficuly actually fun, not really a flaw)

- Extremely predictable combat. Run into a room, take place behind the obvious cover. Level design felt uninspired. (Its not amazing shooter, but level design was like a giant step compared to ME1)

- Paragon/Renegade speech system limited players very much. (It was better that way, ME2 has the best dialogue system out of the 3 games. It had much less pointless dialogue that always do the same thing, yet way less auto dialogue then ME3. It was the middle of the road, the good place)


ME3

- A lot of scripted interactions with your squad mates. Having choice in your reaction is half the interest. (agreed, ME2 did this much, much better)

- Many of the things that were important or good in ME1 and ME2 were really made irrelevant. Almost seemed like the team did it on purpose. A lot of squad mates were cut, decisions were completely disregarded or made irrelevant in the grand scheme of things and romantic relationships were actively destroyed. (agreed, but its the same point as ME2 story not advancing the main arc really, they decided not to include them. Why? Ill never know. Both those flaws lie with ME3 and not the previous games.)

- War assets in the place of a seen difference. (agreed stupid idea)

- Side quests that combined the tediousness of ME1 fetching with ME2 scanning. They improved the scanning, but removed the exploration involved with fetching. (The side quest was at its strongest in ME2 because they had unique little stories, fetching in ME2 was just scanning. ME2 made not only side quest terrible, but it turned them into fetching from ME2.)

- Horrible journal system.(Im not even sure what in the hell they were thinking)

- Uninspired characters, such as Kai Leng, being of major importance in the game. (true)



Now I'm not saying the series was bad. I'm just saying that I'm not quite sure it deserves the title of one of the best ever, given it's flaws. I'm also saying that when considering the flaws, ME3 isn't really that bad when compared to the first two.

ME3 is the most imperfect because its imperfection are in places that made the series of mass effect good (I did not say best ever). Things like ME1 poor shooting can be forgiven, things like planet scanning can be forgiven. Things like auto dialogue, side quest with unique story bitting a bullet, ignoring pretty much everything from the 2 previous stories, those are just Major core flaws and that is why its the worse.

[SwitchN7]

And somehow with all its flaws this trilogy gave quite a lot of players like myself hundreds or even thousands of hours(1000+ for myself) of glorious entertainment.Nothing comes even close to Bioware at the moment in that category.So i would say...Yeah definitely worth the asking price.

Modifié par SwitchN7, 28 février 2013 - 11:14 .

[McFlurry598]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

McFlurry598 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

McFlurry598 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

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Ok dude, I think thats enough ME bashing for you. First you  bash on Admiral Hackett, now ALL the Mass Effects? Wtf is your problem? Stop bashing on ME and spamming the forums

I don't see how criticising one character and pointing out flaws in the games is bashing or spam. These games aren't perfect or maybe great, they have flaws. Saying they don't would simply be a lie.

EVERY game has flaws.  Your'e simply bashing on everything Mass Effect. Your flaws are mere opinions anyways. The fact that you chose Mass Effect to bash on means you probably are still angry about the endings. If you don't like the games, don't play them, it's as simple as 123

You didn't read my OP. I never said I hated the games nor did I say they were bad. I also never mentioned the endings. In fact, if you pay as much attention to my posts as you seem to do; you'd know that I do not have a problem with the endings. Saying that these games don't deserve to be considered some of the best of all time is not bashing or hating on them.

I did read your OP.  I simply assumed you hated the endings, you seem like the kind of guy. Yes it is bashing on them; the 40+ Game Awards and over 75+ Perfect Scores seem to disagree with you, about not considering it the best game of all time.

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

I always thought the Mass Effect series did a good job of overcoming its own flaws to be a great experience in a holistic sense.

People of course are going to argue ME3, but do any of those flaws really invalidate the whole experience?

Also saying ME2 is flawed because of the way ME3 handled ME2's import flags...it's not like the game was inherently broken, they just decided to not continue the entire point of the second game - all the characters who were developed. EA rushing them and not giving them enough time and money is why ME3 fails to render ME2's aspects well, not that it was impossible or something.

[Seifer006]

Well

I can't think of another game where I replayed like 8x...

Zelda OOT, Mario 64, Goldeneye 64

don't come close when considering Full Playthroughs

ME1 & ME2 will be in the Hall of Fame for me.

[xtal84]

The Mass Effect games fall into a category (for a lot of people - not all) that involves numerous problems, whether design, bugs or other types but can still be enjoyed because of the combination of strengths. For comparison, think of Fallout: New Vegas. So many bugs, but so enjoyable that you're easily able to overlook them. (Again, a reference that won't resonate with all people.)

You could say they were overrated the whole time, maybe that's accurate, but it rather comes off as trying to force justification for some later realized disappointments. Also known as "buyer's remorse," kind of in the opposite sense. You're disappointed in the end, and so try to convince yourself that maybe you never liked it as much as you thought.

Not really a question you can go to others for. You've got to ask yourself.

Modifié par xtal84, 28 février 2013 - 11:25 .

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

As for Mass Effect being the greatest game series of all time...I don't think you have an a conclusion like that and achieve that status - I'm happy with mods now, but that's definitely not a universal thing. I would argue ME2 belongs in the conversation for best game ever made, and is my personal favorite. (ME3 has my favorite emotional and character scenes, with the krogan and rannoch arcs, but is not a good as an experience overall.)

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Also to be open, all of my ME1/2 choices were generally the "lucky" ones and my favorite characters were the ones included in 3. So I've had somewhat of a charmed Mass Effect experience.

[Mr.House]

PKchu wrote...

I always thought the Mass Effect series did a good job of overcoming its own flaws to be a great experience in a holistic sense.

People of course are going to argue ME3, but do any of those flaws really invalidate the whole experience?

Also saying ME2 is flawed because of the way ME3 handled ME2's import flags...it's not like the game was inherently broken, they just decided to not continue the entire point of the second game - all the characters who were developed. EA rushing them and not giving them enough time and money is why ME3 fails to render ME2's aspects well, not that it was impossible or something.

One could say the same about ME to ME2, as for many like me did not enjoy ME2 because we found it a waste of time before ME3 was even announced, let alone in production. ME3 feels like a proper continuation to ME, ME2 feels like a filler, even if I ignore ME3. The day Bioware decided to create ten new characters that could die in the middle chapter was the day the series was gonig to blow up. You do not do that. You do not side line majoity of the old main characters from the first chapter to introduce all these new characters, and also make it possible for them to die. This is poor planing and a big DO NOT DO in a trilogy. Bioware bit off way more then they could chew by not doing proper planing, tyring to make ME2 and ME3 stand alone, trying to appease newcomers in both games and simply careing more about money then giving a good product.

Modifié par Mr.House, 28 février 2013 - 11:26 .

[alsonamedbort]

Either that, or maybe, just maybe, people see that games are not perfect but the good outweighs the bad and they are still highly entertained and drawn into a world that previously did not exist in anyone's imagination.

[ohaithere]

Games in general are on the decline.