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[The Heretic of Time]

*trying to get back on topic*

So, which Mass Effect game in particular was the most over-hyped and most over-rated you think?


Most over-hyped was clearly Mass Effect 3. Most over-rated in my opinion is Mass Effect 2. It really recieves a lot of praise for such a mediocre game. The story in ME2 is pretty much non-existent, and the characters in ME2 certainly aren't all THAT good.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 03 mars 2013 - 12:29 .

[o Ventus]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Have you any reason to think that I am? Care to explain why you think I'm an idiot?

Because it's kind of impossible for a medium of entertainment to be objectively better than another. You might THINK it's better, but that doesn't actually make it better.

[TheGreatDayne]

Yeah... I really REALLY thought my mind would be blown away with the first game... What with people saying the plot was awesome, the characters were awesome... at least people were honest with the crap game mechanics...

But the plot was crap and the characters were crap... The only upside I could find was... Yeah, I can't remember anything... Well, everyone carried four weapons, so that was cool...

As for the rest of the series... Well, the characters were interesting. Good enough for me! And, although the second game did nothing to the main plot... it is still my favorite... I hated the main reaper plot anyway.

Maybe I'm just biased... Oh well.

[Morty Smith]

Joroelcapo wrote...

I think that for being the first trilogy wich let you save yours choices from game to game and change the story in a whole. They did a pretty good job.

I think I missed the DLC where you were able to change the story in a whole.

[The Heretic of Time]

TheGreatDayne wrote...

 I hated the main reaper plot anyway.

The reaper main plot is something that I think had a lot of potential back in Mass Effect 1, but it became less interesting in Mass Effect 2. Mass Effect 3 basically completely ruined it.

The thing is, it's not easy to write a story about an elusive, illusive, nearly invincible enemy, and actually make it good. The Mass Effect writing team clearly wasn't skilled enough to write that kind of story.

[Maxster_]

Kroitz wrote...

Joroelcapo wrote...

I think that for being the first trilogy wich let you save yours choices from game to game and change the story in a whole. They did a pretty good job.

I think I missed the DLC where you were able to change the story in a whole.

Yeah, some DLC, in which there was a difference between choosing Anderson and Udina, or to destroy or preserve Collectors base. Or where rachni decision was a major one, which affected entire story.

I guess that is a secret DLC, not for general population.

[liggy002]

The new Cyberpunk and Witcher games are going to be WAY better in my opinion.

[The Heretic of Time]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I pretty much agree with everything in your last post, my fellow Hanar. Except I feel that all the characters in ME2 were pretty good. Even Jacob.

So you don't object against the comic-book appearal of some squad members, and the rather shallow and perhaps a little childish daddy issues of some other squad members?

I mean I'm not entirely against the concept of "loyalty missions", but most of these missions had generally the same basic plot: "fix this person's daddy issues". Honestly, that's what every loyalty mission was about, with a few exceptions (Mordin comes to mind, his loyalty mission was the best in my opinion).

[Ticonderoga117]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I pretty much agree with everything in your last post, my fellow Hanar. Except I feel that all the characters in ME2 were pretty good. Even Jacob.

So you don't object against the comic-book appearal of some squad members, and the rather shallow and perhaps a little childish daddy issues of some other squad members?

I mean I'm not entirely against the concept of "loyalty missions", but most of these missions had generally the same basic plot: "fix this person's daddy issues". Honestly, that's what every loyalty mission was about, with a few exceptions (Mordin comes to mind, his loyalty mission was the best in my opinion).

And that can be applied to every mission ever. "Kill the bad guys, help the good guys."

At least the loyalty missions effected the ending and had a lot of flavor to them.

[The Heretic of Time]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

My friend, who has pretty similar tastes as me, told me that The Witcher isn't THAT much better than the Mass Effect games.

The Witcher has some serious flaws too. But when it comes to the plot, story and character, all I can say is that The Witcher is a lot deeper, a lot more mature and a lot more coherent than Mass Effect's plot, story and even characters.

Yes, I said it: The Witcher has better characters than Mass Effect. And no, I'm not trolling. I mean it. As I said, I never thought the characters in Mass Effect are THAT good. Most of them are good (Mordin), but not THAT good (even Mordin's character arc has some major flaws).

[The Heretic of Time]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I pretty much agree with everything in your last post, my fellow Hanar. Except I feel that all the characters in ME2 were pretty good. Even Jacob.

So you don't object against the comic-book appearal of some squad members, and the rather shallow and perhaps a little childish daddy issues of some other squad members?

I mean I'm not entirely against the concept of "loyalty missions", but most of these missions had generally the same basic plot: "fix this person's daddy issues". Honestly, that's what every loyalty mission was about, with a few exceptions (Mordin comes to mind, his loyalty mission was the best in my opinion).

And that can be applied to every mission ever. "Kill the bad guys, help the good guys."

At least the loyalty missions effected the ending and had a lot of flavor to them.

"kill the bad guys, help the good guys" is not the same as "fix this person's daddy issues".

Also: In actual good and mature games, your missions aren't about "kill the bad guys, help the good guys" at all. In The Witcher you don't even know who are the "bad guys" and who are the "good guys". It's basically grey versus grey, neutral versus neutral, The Scoia'tael versus The Blue Stripes. It's up to the player to decide who are the "good" guys.

[dreamgazer]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

My friend, who has pretty similar tastes as me, told me that The Witcher isn't THAT much better than the Mass Effect games.

They both have their issues, but it's very clear that the Witcher games have much tighter control over plot writing and of handling choice and circumstance.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

TheGreatDayne wrote...

 I hated the main reaper plot anyway.

The reaper main plot is something that I think had a lot of potential back in Mass Effect 1, but it became less interesting in Mass Effect 2. Mass Effect 3 basically completely ruined it.

The thing is, it's not easy to write a story about an elusive, illusive, nearly invincible enemy, and actually make it good. The Mass Effect writing team clearly wasn't skilled enough to write that kind of story.

Well, it *could* be easy, if you're writing the story as a tragedy. 

The nerds would rage endlessly, however! 

[David7204]

And so we get to the core of it. It was obvious this was never really about Shepard.

Some of us think that heroism is great and meaningful and mature. At least one of us, anyway.

And some of us think that incompetence, pettiness, selfishness, and stupidity are great and meaningful and mature. After all, those are the causes of conflicts in stories with a determined moral ambiguity, are they not? 

Modifié par David7204, 03 mars 2013 - 12:51 .

[Luigitornado]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

My friend, who has pretty similar tastes as me, told me that The Witcher isn't THAT much better than the Mass Effect games.

I don't like Witcher, it was so boring and way overrated. I think people praise the game so much because:

1. The sex scenes.
2. The graphics.

[Maxster_]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I pretty much agree with everything in your last post, my fellow Hanar. Except I feel that all the characters in ME2 were pretty good. Even Jacob.

So you don't object against the comic-book appearal of some squad members, and the rather shallow and perhaps a little childish daddy issues of some other squad members?

I mean I'm not entirely against the concept of "loyalty missions", but most of these missions had generally the same basic plot: "fix this person's daddy issues". Honestly, that's what every loyalty mission was about, with a few exceptions (Mordin comes to mind, his loyalty mission was the best in my opinion).

And that can be applied to every mission ever. "Kill the bad guys, help the good guys."

At least the loyalty missions effected the ending and had a lot of flavor to them.

"kill the bad guys, help the good guys" is not the same as "fix this person's daddy issues".

Also: In actual good and mature games, your missions aren't about "kill the bad guys, help the good guys" at all. In The Witcher you don't even know who are the "bad guys" and who are the "good guys". It's basically grey versus grey, neutral versus neutral, The Scoia'tael versus The Blue Stripes. It's up to the player to decide who are the "good" guys.

For example, from Witcher 1. My favorite character, actually.
Siegfried_of_Denesle.
Is he "good" or "bad"?

Modifié par Maxster_, 03 mars 2013 - 12:48 .

[spirosz]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

My friend, who has pretty similar tastes as me, told me that The Witcher isn't THAT much better than the Mass Effect games.

You can bang a chick you walked home, deep game, I'm telling you.  

Modifié par spirosz, 03 mars 2013 - 01:07 .

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

liggy002 wrote...

The new Cyberpunk and Witcher games are going to be WAY better in my opinion.

but the new Witcher or that cyberpunk won't have Harbinger

[The Heretic of Time]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I mean, I want to give that game a chance. I just don't want to get all excited for it then find out that it's not what it's cracked up to be.

Do you want to know my as-objective-as-possible analysis of The Witcher series?


The gameplay in The Witcher 1 sucks. Plain and clear. it sucks.
The gameplay in The Witcher 2 is a vast improvement, but still has some issues with the controls and responsiveness mostly.

The story in The Witcher 1 has some pacing issues. The start is really slow, but once you get to chapter 3, the story becomes really deep and engaging.
The story in The Witcher 2 might be a little overwhelming at first. There is A LOT of new info dumped on your lap in the first few minutes of The Witcher 2. However, after you've worked your way through the prologue, the story once again becomes very interesting. The Witcher 2 is a lot more focussed on politics and war, so if politics and war is your cup of tea, you'll love the story of The Witcher 2.

[The Heretic of Time]

Luigitornado wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

My friend, who has pretty similar tastes as me, told me that The Witcher isn't THAT much better than the Mass Effect games.

I don't like Witcher, it was so boring and way overrated. I think people praise the game so much because:

1. The sex scenes.
2. The graphics.

Actually, most people praise The Witcher because of the excellent story, the interesting and realistic characters, and the well-done branching narrative.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 03 mars 2013 - 01:14 .

[spirosz]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

My friend, who has pretty similar tastes as me, told me that The Witcher isn't THAT much better than the Mass Effect games.

I don't like Witcher, it was so boring and way overrated. I think people praise the game so much because:

1. The sex scenes.
2. The graphics.

Actually, most people praise The Witcher because of the excellent story, the interesting and realistic characters, and the well-done branching narrative.

And one can say the exact same thing about the Mass Effect series, even if you don't agree with their perception.