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[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

Some of us think that heroism is great and meaningful and mature. At least one of us, anyway.

And some of us think that incompetence, pettiness, selfishness, and stupidity are great and meaningful and mature. After all, those are the causes of conflicts in stories with a determined moral ambiguity, are they not? 

And some of us think both can be meaningful and mature, in the right context.

[The Heretic of Time]

spirosz wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

My friend, who has pretty similar tastes as me, told me that The Witcher isn't THAT much better than the Mass Effect games.

I don't like Witcher, it was so boring and way overrated. I think people praise the game so much because:

1. The sex scenes.
2. The graphics.

Actually, most people praise The Witcher because of the excellent story, the interesting and realistic characters, and the well-done branching narrative.

And one can say the exact same thing about the Mass Effect series, even if you don't agree with their perception.

Honestly, I don't even blame people who say that about the Mass Effect series. I basically said the same thing a few years ago. Of course that was before Mass Effect 3 was released and before I played any of The Witcher games.

I guess both ME3 and The Witcher series opened my eyes. ME3 made me realize how mediocre the Mass Effect series really is, while The Witcher made me realize how a well-done, properly  branching narrative in a video-game really  looks like.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 03 mars 2013 - 01:26 .

[David7204]

You're in luck. The things I listed are exceedingly easy and cheap.

[spirosz]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

My friend, who has pretty similar tastes as me, told me that The Witcher isn't THAT much better than the Mass Effect games.

I don't like Witcher, it was so boring and way overrated. I think people praise the game so much because:

1. The sex scenes.
2. The graphics.

Actually, most people praise The Witcher because of the excellent story, the interesting and realistic characters, and the well-done branching narrative.

And one can say the exact same thing about the Mass Effect series, even if you don't agree with their perception.

Honestly, I don't even blame people who say that about the Mass Effect series. I basically said the same thing a few years ago. Of course that was before Mass Effect 3 was released and before I played any of The Witcher games.

I guess both ME3 and The Witcher series opened my eyes. ME3 made me realize how mediocre the Mass Effect series really is, while The Witcher made me realize how a well-done, properly  branching narrative in a video-game really  looks like.

That's fine, but you have to understand that people view things as "well-done" in different ways, I understand your view, since I have played the Witcher, but both games have flaws and yet because of certain things that I can personally relate to better, I'll find that Mass Effect still beats The Witcher in terms of characters and for me - that's what matters to me the most when I play a game - the story itself, can be simple or not "deep" (and that's not to say a game can't have both), I just find that it doesn't matter to me.  I do agree that Witcher 2, especially, has a better sense of plotting out its story, even I don't find it that interesting, compared to the ME series.  

Now, I know CDPR are smart developers, so I'm hoping Cyperpunk can pull me into the world, like Mass Effect did, but I'll wait till we get closer to the release date, haha. 

[Dean_the_Young]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

TheGreatDayne wrote...

 I hated the main reaper plot anyway.

The reaper main plot is something that I think had a lot of potential back in Mass Effect 1, but it became less interesting in Mass Effect 2. Mass Effect 3 basically completely ruined it.

The thing is, it's not easy to write a story about an elusive, illusive, nearly invincible enemy, and actually make it good. The Mass Effect writing team clearly wasn't skilled enough to write that kind of story.

And the thing is about the thing is, the Reapers are pretty central to what distinguishes Mass Effect from other contemporary sci-fi. Galactic great power politics with occassionally sexy, heavily humanoid species who are effectively human? Old news. One Hero against the Cyclic Genocide? That stands out more.

I had a chat with a couple of friends awhile ago, and we ended up agreeing that pretty much every element in Mass Effect could be removed and it still be 'Mass Effect' except for the Reapers. You could change the technology base, replace the characters, edit the species, rewrite all the civilizations and plot arcs in the game, but as long as you kept the Reaper cycle involved you could still have the same spirit of galactic destiny and Big Decisions. Once the Reapers are gone, though, Mass Effect as we know it is gone, because most of Mass Effect was about people reacting to the implications of the Reapers.

[The Heretic of Time]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

TheGreatDayne wrote...

 I hated the main reaper plot anyway.

The reaper main plot is something that I think had a lot of potential back in Mass Effect 1, but it became less interesting in Mass Effect 2. Mass Effect 3 basically completely ruined it.

The thing is, it's not easy to write a story about an elusive, illusive, nearly invincible enemy, and actually make it good. The Mass Effect writing team clearly wasn't skilled enough to write that kind of story.

And the thing is about the thing is, the Reapers are pretty central to what distinguishes Mass Effect from other contemporary sci-fi. Galactic great power politics with occassionally sexy, heavily humanoid species who are effectively human? Old news. One Hero against the Cyclic Genocide? That stands out more.

I had a chat with a couple of friends awhile ago, and we ended up agreeing that pretty much every element in Mass Effect could be removed and it still be 'Mass Effect' except for the Reapers. You could change the technology base, replace the characters, edit the species, rewrite all the civilizations and plot arcs in the game, but as long as you kept the Reaper cycle involved you could still have the same spirit of galactic destiny and Big Decisions. Once the Reapers are gone, though, Mass Effect as we know it is gone, because most of Mass Effect was about people reacting to the implications of the Reapers.

I guess you missed the point I was trying to make. I never said anything against the whole concept of a cyclic genocide imposed by an elusive force of sentient space-ships. I actually like that concept. I said however that such a concept is hard to pull off properly. BioWare tried, and (in my eyes) failed.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 03 mars 2013 - 01:53 .

[Ice Cold J]

Reposting since it got lost in all this... well, THIS.

Ice Cold J wrote...

 To me, EVERY GAME I've ever played has had some mechanic hiccups/glitches/bugs in it.

What you are referring to, mostly, are those.

To me, Mass Effect is more about the story, mystique, and immersion that it made you feel. THAT is what I look for in a game.
Every game lets you push this button, take this aciton, advance in this direction. It's how and WHY you do these things, your motivation, if you will, that defines the experience and makes each one unique.

Mass Effect had this nailed down more than pretty much any game series I've ever play up until it's waning moments. Even then, it wasn't a bad idea: it was just introduced to us WAY to late in the series to be considered acceptable in my opinion.

The games themselves had imperfections. All games do. The story, however, is where i find my entertainment vale. In that regard, Mass Effect delivered 110%.

[Maximanimo]

Get out

[o Ventus]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

My friend, who has pretty similar tastes as me, told me that The Witcher isn't THAT much better than the Mass Effect games.

I don't like Witcher, it was so boring and way overrated. I think people praise the game so much because:

1. The sex scenes.
2. The graphics.

Actually, most people praise The Witcher because of the excellent story, the interesting and realistic characters, and the well-done branching narrative.

Minus the 3rd, people praise ME for these exact same reasons.

[GoldenPersona]

Mass Effect 2 makes me want to play a open world space ranger game. Whenever I do the car chase in LotSB I'm just left in awe at the level design. I tell myself that I want to freely drive my hover car around the city and venture out into the scenery. The moment where you are flying through Illium was the best moment I've had in a game from a graphics standpoint I will be honest

What I enjoy about Mass Effect 2 is that it doesn't bother with the Reaper plot all that much. Yes, the reason many hate it is why I enjoy it. I liked forming my own team of badasses, going through all the different hub worlds and exploring, I enjoyed how they expanded the culture of the universe. Without Mass Effect 2 I wouldn't care about the MEverse at all. Mass Effect 1 surely doesn't make me enjoy the universe. Mass Effect 2 lets you really experience it.

I liked that Mass Effect 2 had it's own self-contained threat. I always sort of wish that Mass Effect 1 ended the Reaper plot. Mass Effect 2 would move on from it and make the Collector's their own threat. Mass Effect 3 could have been about Cerberus going full frontal assualt on the galaxy.

I'm not saying they should have done that with Mass Effect, I just want some game company to make a game with a fully explorable universe with it's own cultures.

I guess Bungi is seemingly attempting this with Destiny, but I doubt it will be as strong. Plus it's just a FPS >___> What I love about Mass Effect gameplay is that it's not just a shooter. You have powers, there are classes with their own strategies, you can win without firing a shot.

The only comment I can make about Mass Effect being overrated is that everything that is popular is overrated. Everything. Skyrim, Mass Effect, Twilight, Justin Bieber you name it. But who the heck cares? If you love something you love it and it ends there.

Modifié par GoldenPersona, 03 mars 2013 - 09:32 .

[The Heretic of Time]

o Ventus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

My friend, who has pretty similar tastes as me, told me that The Witcher isn't THAT much better than the Mass Effect games.

I don't like Witcher, it was so boring and way overrated. I think people praise the game so much because:

1. The sex scenes.
2. The graphics.

Actually, most people praise The Witcher because of the excellent story, the interesting and realistic characters, and the well-done branching narrative.

Minus the 3rd, people praise ME for these exact same reasons.

Someone else also said that. I'll say to you what I said to the other guy:

 I don't even blame people who say that about the Mass Effect series. I basically said the same thing a few years ago. Of course that was before Mass Effect 3 was released and before I played any of The Witcher games.

I guess both ME3 and The Witcher series opened my eyes. ME3 made me realize how mediocre the Mass Effect series really is, while The Witcher made me realize how a well-done, properly branching narrative in a video-game really looks like.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 03 mars 2013 - 10:29 .

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

My friend, who has pretty similar tastes as me, told me that The Witcher isn't THAT much better than the Mass Effect games.

I don't like Witcher, it was so boring and way overrated. I think people praise the game so much because:

1. The sex scenes.
2. The graphics.

Actually, most people praise The Witcher because of the excellent story, the interesting and realistic characters, and the well-done branching narrative.

Minus the 3rd, people praise ME for these exact same reasons.

Someone else also said that. I'll say to you what I said to the other guy:

 I don't even blame people who say that about the Mass Effect series. I basically said the same thing a few years ago. Of course that was before Mass Effect 3 was released and before I played any of The Witcher games.

I guess both ME3 and The Witcher series opened my eyes. ME3 made me realize how mediocre the Mass Effect series really is, while The Witcher made me realize how a well-done, properly branching narrative in a video-game really looks like.

You should have realized ME is mediocre long ago.When you first played ME1

[Karlone123]

I do not see as the series as being overrated, ME3 did not meet the hype it received, I'm going by assumption but because ME2 was very good, ME3 would excell that but it did not. It did not meet ME2 on the same level. ME3 expanded on some areas likr combat as well as taking a step down in areas like control over dialogue and adding large amounts of auto-dialogue. I do hope their return to giving more control back over the dialogue system and not relying on auto-dialogue like their did in ME3.

But if they do want to rely on auto-dialogue, as much as I dislike it, improve it, make it more varied instead of having only one way of acting towards people.

Modifié par Karlone123, 24 juillet 2013 - 11:27 .

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

Karlone123 wrote...

I do not see as the series as being overrated, ME3 did not meet the hype it received, I'm going by assumption but because ME2 was very good, ME3 would excell that but it did not. It did not meet ME2 on the same level. ME3 expanded on some areas likr combat as well as taking a step down in areas like control over dialogue and adding large amounts of auto-dialogue. I do hope their return to giving more control back over the dialogue system and not relying on auto-dialogue like their did in ME3.

check ME2 metascore and then we'll see 

Modifié par IntelligentME3Fanboy, 24 juillet 2013 - 11:27 .

[NeonFlux117]

Nope, ME1 was awesome. And ME2 is a masterpiece. ME3 is a great but flawed game and the weakest in the series but it's still like a 8.5 or 9 for me. Not near the epicness and coolness of ME2 (nothing is) but still a great game.

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Nope, ME1 was awesome. And ME2 is a masterpiece. ME3 is a great but flawed game and the weakest in the series but it's still like a 8.5 or 9 for me. Not near the epicness and coolness of ME2 (nothing is) but still a great game.

lol i hope that's a joke.ME1 is like 6.0.ME2 7,5-8,0 and ME3 8,5-9,0

[NeonFlux117]

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Nope, ME1 was awesome. And ME2 is a masterpiece. ME3 is a great but flawed game and the weakest in the series but it's still like a 8.5 or 9 for me. Not near the epicness and coolness of ME2 (nothing is) but still a great game.

lol i hope that's a joke.ME1 is like 6.0.ME2 7,5-8,0 and ME3 8,5-9,0

sure bro. 

[Karlone123]

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Nope, ME1 was awesome. And ME2 is a masterpiece. ME3 is a great but flawed game and the weakest in the series but it's still like a 8.5 or 9 for me. Not near the epicness and coolness of ME2 (nothing is) but still a great game.

lol i hope that's a joke.ME1 is like 6.0.ME2 7,5-8,0 and ME3 8,5-9,0

Reveiwer companies usually tend to give the wrong score to games. That's if the player rate is different.

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

Karlone123 wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Nope, ME1 was awesome. And ME2 is a masterpiece. ME3 is a great but flawed game and the weakest in the series but it's still like a 8.5 or 9 for me. Not near the epicness and coolness of ME2 (nothing is) but still a great game.

lol i hope that's a joke.ME1 is like 6.0.ME2 7,5-8,0 and ME3 8,5-9,0

Reveiwer companies usually tend to give the wrong score to games. That's if the player rate is different.

of course they do.Look at AC3 for example.85 metascore?What?

[NeonFlux117]

most reviewers score games way to high or are paid to review games and give high scores. For example, and this is just my opinion, the Last of Us as a 95 metacritic. The game for me is about an 8 or maybe a 9 but it's nowhere near Bioshock or Mass Effect 2 or GTA4 or even Uncharted. Most reviews are on the high side or completely are wrong. Another example is Metro Last light- it's like in the 80's. And in my opinion is the best game I've played this year. So you know, it's just opinions. I wouldn't throw to much stock into it.

[David7204]

Nobody is paid off to give high scores to games. That's stupid.

[NeonFlux117]

David7204 wrote...

Nobody is paid off to give high scores to games. That's stupid.

ign

[David7204]

Nobody is paid off to give high scores to games. Including IGN. That's stupid.