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[L.ast L.ife]

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

4 URs, 3 are garbage.

In other words...

...

Working as intended.

[Seifer006]

yup big problem

I PM Eric. Hopefully this issue gets solved quickly

[Swarlos1713]

Seifer006 wrote...

yup big problem

I PM Eric. Hopefully this issue gets solved quickly

Unfortunately balance changes are two weeks away. Despite the pitiful in game performance and player complaints, they probably won't have enough data to make a decision for a while. That is if they're bothering to look into it and have retained the staff to do so. 

[Seifer006]

Swarlos1713 wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

yup big problem

I PM Eric. Hopefully this issue gets solved quickly

Unfortunately balance changes are two weeks away. Despite the pitiful in game performance and player complaints, they probably won't have enough data to make a decision for a while. That is if they're bothering to look into it and have retained the staff to do so. 

*sigh*
that is the sad truth...

[N7-RedFox]

Stardusk wrote...

 OK. I just ran some tests on both guns.

Enemy: Cerberus
Difficulty: Gold
class: Turian Soldier
Equipment (on both Tempest and BPP): Heat Sink, Extended Barrel, AP IV, SMG Rail Amp III, SMG V. Stability III

My Tempest is X and my BPP is VI. I wanted to test them side by side on the best weapons handler in the game and the results were disturbing. I shredded enemies much more quickly with the Tempest than the BPP, part of the reason of course being that the Tempest is much more accuracte than the BPP but in general, even point blank, enemies dropped more quickly with the Tempest. The Atlas was close but melted at roughly the same speed with both the BPP and the Tempest.

The Tempest has more or less the same ROF, has a larger clip size, less recoil, better accuracy and almost the same damage. You can argue my BPP is only VI but a UR VI SMG compared to a Uncommon X SMG...it should be no contest.

BW, what on earth did you do to the BPP?!

I have BPP at lvl X and it still does terribad damage. It definitely needs a 10% damage buff.

[N7-RedFox]

L.ast L.ife wrote...

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

4 URs, 3 are garbage.

In other words...

...

Working as intended.

Every time I see ur sig it makes me wanna touch myself. It's like im not even reading the 'S'

[L.ast L.ife]

N7-RedFox wrote...

Every time I see ur sig it makes me wanna touch myself. It's like im not even reading the 'S'

...

SWANK has that sort of effect on those worthy enough to receive it.

[Drunkencelt]

Here was Bioware's(edit lol) strategy.

1. Release three good classes
2. Release weak cabal and crap talon. Tune up overtime so as not to alert the masses of criers on forums.
3. Release OP AIU to appease the other masses
4. Ruin Adas/BPP/Venom. Previous DLC Weapons were released too strong and nerfed down. Slowly buff up over the next few months.
5. Release two good guns to tide people over. Punisher and Supressor here we come.

Modifié par Drunkencelt, 01 mars 2013 - 03:36 .

[Kalas Magnus]

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

Drayce333 wrote...

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

4 URs, 3 are garbage.

Spitfire is great but its only for certain characters.

Venom might to be balanced around level X. lol biower.

I have all at level X and they are not deserved UR title.

qft

[nicethugbert]

Make BPP a rare. Problem solved. If they are boxed in by certain weapons(Hurricane, Harrier, Claymore, etc.), then what else can they do?

[CmnDwnWrkn]

L.ast L.ife wrote...

N7-RedFox wrote...

Every time I see ur sig it makes me wanna touch myself. It's like im not even reading the 'S'

...

SWANK has that sort of effect on those worthy enough to receive it.

LOL...classic exchange

[Flambrose]

Yeah, BPP is a joke. It's like they completely forgot the accuracy on it was garbage. It has worse accuracy than the Hurricane, and it STILL does less raw damage? I'll grant them the clip size difference, but good god, the gun is useless right now.

[solidprice]

Drunkencelt wrote...

Here was Bioware's(edit lol) strategy.

1. Release three good classes
2. Release weak cabal and crap talon. Tune up overtime so as not to alert the masses of criers on forums.
3. Release OP AIU to appease the other masses
4. Ruin Adas/BPP/Venom. Previous DLC Weapons were released too strong and nerfed down. Slowly buff up over the next few months.
5. Release two good guns to tide people over. Punisher and Supressor here we come.

seems about right.

[ItFactorScott]

So the Adas, BPP and Venom have all been nerfed to uselessness? Why? Shouldn't they be at least as good as the SP equivalents to handle the tougher MP enemies? They still loose some of their effectiveness because of the beefed up enemies after all.
Now I'm kind of glad the only new weapons I have so far unlocked are the compressor and Lancer.

[Stardusk]

Flambrose wrote...

Yeah, BPP is a joke. It's like they completely forgot the accuracy on it was garbage. It has worse accuracy than the Hurricane, and it STILL does less raw damage? I'll grant them the clip size difference, but good god, the gun is useless right now.

The Tempest really is much better.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Here's the thing. Did Bioware themselves actually forget that Insanity Single Player = Non Collector Bronze Multiplayer ?

So these weapons should just be left as it is honestly.

[Sgt SuperWae]

The solution, then, is obvious...

[Stardusk]

Sgt SuperWae wrote...

The solution, then, is obvious...

Good idea.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Or Biower is just xenophobic..
They hate vorchas so a common human weapon is made bettter than a vorcha weapon 

[TheImmortalBeaver]

Sgt SuperWae wrote...

The solution, then, is obvious...

Pffft. Everyone knows the real threat here is the Shuriken. NERF OP SHURIKEN!!!1!1

[peddroelm]

Hitscan weapon (suffers from armor DR, can be made to penetrate cover, can score headshots)

Regular Shots (Armor=100%, Barrier=100%, Shields=100%)
AP Shots (Armor=250%, Barrier=100%, Shields=100%)

Small damage per hit .. NEEDS some sort of armor weakening//piercing in play not to be useless vs gold armor DR.

During autofire every 8-th shot is an AP round... AP rounds have *5 charged damage multiplier and on top of that do *2.5 damage vs armor ... And they can score headshots ... BPP's niche is landing AP rounds headshots vs bosses ... *5 shot * HS mod * 2.5 armor = tons of damage ...

Its main problem - same rof, same weight, similar in-accuracy issues as the hurricane (BPP might be a bit more accurate)...

128.1 / 47.75 = 2.6827 ..And hurricane does a few times more damage per (regular) shot ...

BPP only comes near hurricane in terms of DPS vs armor if you can land the AP round boss headshots ... Not impossible with some accuracy & stability bonuses

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Numbers

BPP2 (((47.75 - 38.2) / 9) * (2 - 1)) + 38.2 = 39.261 // BPP II base damage

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Cloak test vs health
marau health: 80.485229
marau health: 80.485229
marau health: 80.485229
marau health: 80.485229
marau health: 80.485229
marau health: 402.426392 // AP round

39.26100 * (1 + 0.25 + 0.8) = 80.48505 //regular shot
39.26100 * 5 * (1 + 0.25 + 0.8) = 402.42525 // AP round

test done wit AIU
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Test vs Geth Prime Head AP ammo I + smg piercing mod

ALL are headshots

+95 ms |damage 3.925781
+1 ms |damage 61.835938
+72 ms |damage 3.925781
+0 ms |damage 61.835938
+73 ms |damage 19.630859
+0 ms |damage 772.953125 // AP round HS
+96 ms |damage 3.925781
+2 ms |damage 61.835938
+90 ms |damage 3.925781

39.26100 * 0.1 = 3.9261 // AP ammo damage un affected by 15% penalty
39.26100 * (1 + 0.275 - 0.15) * 1.4 =61.836075 (0 armor DR)
39.26100 * 5 * (1 + 0.275 - 0.15) * 1.4 * 2.5 =772.9509375 AP round vs armor HS

Test done with a Juggernaut with 6b in fitness (energy transfer, damage penalty)

On paper the weapon can compete with hurricane vs armored bosses if you can land the AP round headshot consistently ....


Some o of my tests show a chain of headshots vs a geth prime (used juggernaut with barrage gear ) so at least on some characters the feat is possible ... Overall hurricane is better and easier to use ..

[Cheylus]

(For a good laugh, type "Punisher" in the search engine)

[d_nought]

peddroelmz wrote...

hurricane is ... easier to use ..

Which is pretty much the biggest issue I have with the BPP. The Hurricane is supposed to be monster DPS at the cost of accuracy. The BPP has neither. It should most definitely receive an accuracy buff. Maybe a trivial damage buff too, but it really needs the accuracy to distinguish itself from the Hurricane.

[Riot Inducer]

cowwy wrote...

Well now that's seriously disappointing. The BPP was one of my favorite weapons in the SP and to see it and the Venom castrated makes me a very sad panda indeed.

Why does everyone keep saying this? The damn thing actually got a rather unprecidented buff in damage coming to MP, and near as I can tell the firing mechanics/trajectory is exatcly the same as in SP

[rlro]

Drayce333 wrote...

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

4 URs, 3 are garbage.

Spitfire is great but its only for certain characters.

Such as ?

Mine is X and I tried it on the Juggernaut and on the Destroyer. It is not terrible, but PPR and Typhoon, respectively, are far better options.

Venom might to be balanced around level X. lol biower.

Nope. It is terribad even on X. It takes 2-3 shots to kill a mook on gold. Falcon/Scorpion are much, much better options.