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[spirosz]

BD Manchild wrote...

I find that a very odd thing for Stan to say, considering I recall some prominent community liaisons spent a fair bit of time saying that IT was as valid an interpretation as any other. I don't think there was ever any debate about it being anything other than a fan theory, but Stan's wording suggests that he may not have been entirely aware of what his co-workers were saying on the subject.

That's the thing, it is valid, until you start trying to state that if people don't believe in it, then they're wrong in their own interpretation.

[XxDarkTimexX]

Saying IT is fan fiction is saying that the lore of mass effect doesn't because of the star child which everyone who hates IT loves so much. If people think It is grasping at straws but at least its part of the lore of what mass effect is about the other theories is grasping at straws. IT is grasping at straws even tho i has nothing to do with the lore of the mass effect tilogy at all whats so ever.

[clennon8]

BD Manchild wrote...

I find that a very odd thing for Stan to say, considering I recall some prominent community liaisons spent a fair bit of time saying that IT was as valid an interpretation as any other. I don't think there was ever any debate about it being anything other than a fan theory, but Stan's wording suggests that he may not have been entirely aware of what his co-workers were saying on the subject.

What it seems like to me is they changed their minds about that a couple months ago.  You know, right around the time Priestly kicked all the IT'ers off BSN for [reasons].  But rather than have the balls to just say "Sorry, but IT ain't what we were going for," they decided to be passive-aggressive about it and wait for people to get the hint.  That's why I say kudos to Ninja Stan.  Finally, someone sacked up.

Modifié par clennon8, 02 mars 2013 - 12:42 .

[spirosz]

XxDarkTimexX wrote...

Saying IT is fan fiction is saying that the lore of mass effect doesn't because of the star child which everyone who hates IT loves so much. If people think It is grasping at straws but at least its part of the lore of what mass effect is about the other theories is grasping at straws. IT is grasping at straws even tho i has nothing to do with the lore of the mass effect tilogy at all whats so ever.

It is nothing more than speculation based off one's view on particular scenes, which leads to massive amounts of fanfiction, nothing is proven. 

This is coming from someone who likes the theory.  

Also... what did you just type "saying that the lore of mass effect doesn't because of the star child, which everyone who hates IT loves so much"  What?

[BD Manchild]

spirosz wrote...

That's the thing, it is valid, until you
start trying to state that if people don't believe in it, then they're
wrong in their own interpretation.

That's true for a lot of things in life though, and regardless of the subject it doesn't stop people who assert that "we're right, you're wrong" mentality from being almighty twits (and this is coming from someone who actually liked the IT until the EC pretty much killed it for me).

clennon8 wrote...

What it seem like to me is they changed their minds about that a couple months ago.  You know, right around the time Priestly kicked all the IT'ers off BSN for [reasons].  But rather than have the balls to just say "Sorry, but IT ain't what we were going for," they decided to be passive-aggressive about it and wait for people to get the hint.  That's why I say kudos to Ninja Stan.  Finally, someone sacked up.

Aye, that's very plausible. Still would have felt a lot less dehumanising for them to be honest with people sooner, though.

To be honest, I'm of the view that both sides have been as bad as each other; the "over-enthusiasm" (to put it mildly) of the hardcore IT-ers and Bioware's inability to stop shuffling their feet on the matter until very recently.

Modifié par BD Manchild, 02 mars 2013 - 12:41 .

[XxDarkTimexX]

spirosz wrote...

XxDarkTimexX wrote...

Saying IT is fan fiction is saying that the lore of mass effect doesn't because of the star child which everyone who hates IT loves so much. If people think It is grasping at straws but at least its part of the lore of what mass effect is about the other theories is grasping at straws. IT is grasping at straws even tho i has nothing to do with the lore of the mass effect tilogy at all whats so ever.

It is nothing more than speculation based off one's view on particular scenes, which leads to massive amounts of fanfiction, nothing is proven. 

This is coming from someone who likes the theory.  

Also... what did you just type "saying that the lore of mass effect doesn't because of the star child, which everyone who hates IT loves so much"  What?

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[Eterna]

clennon8 wrote...

Literalists can rejoice.  Bad Writing Theory has been vindicated.  A statement (of questionable truthfulness) from spoilsport Ninja Stan:

SpamBot2000 wrote...

It's a theory about the ending that BioWare used to encourage, but now will close any thread if they feature it. Based on the obvious 'indoctrination' elements during the finale that BW put in, since they actually intended there to be a scene of Shep fighting indoctrination. But then they couldn't figure out how to make it playable, so they abandoned it. Still left all the effects in though. Because they don't really give a damn.

BioWare has never "encouraged" IT or its discussion. IT has always been a fan-made interpretation of events, and its discussion should be relegated to Group discussions. Thank you.

End of line.

That's hilarious. 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

clennon8 wrote...

Literalists can rejoice.

Rejoice? Why would we "literalists" rejoice about this?

I was wondering the same thing.

This is not official denial of anything, either. This is history repeating itself on this site. IT has worn out its welcome on BSN with the mods, just like two similar groups that came before them: the Cerberus die-hards of ME2 forums, and the Mirandamancers that got character-and-romance section locked.

The mods aren't blameless in the matter, but neither is the other side.

[MegaSovereign]

XxDarkTimexX wrote...

spirosz wrote...

XxDarkTimexX wrote...

Saying IT is fan fiction is saying that the lore of mass effect doesn't because of the star child which everyone who hates IT loves so much. If people think It is grasping at straws but at least its part of the lore of what mass effect is about the other theories is grasping at straws. IT is grasping at straws even tho i has nothing to do with the lore of the mass effect tilogy at all whats so ever.

It is nothing more than speculation based off one's view on particular scenes, which leads to massive amounts of fanfiction, nothing is proven. 

This is coming from someone who likes the theory.  

Also... what did you just type "saying that the lore of mass effect doesn't because of the star child, which everyone who hates IT loves so much"  What?

oh look its mr/mrs perfect in every way.

spirosz is the perfect Krogan. You should be in awe.

You're one of Okeer's rejects.

[spirosz]

XxDarkTimexX wrote...

spirosz wrote...

XxDarkTimexX wrote...

Saying IT is fan fiction is saying that the lore of mass effect doesn't because of the star child which everyone who hates IT loves so much. If people think It is grasping at straws but at least its part of the lore of what mass effect is about the other theories is grasping at straws. IT is grasping at straws even tho i has nothing to do with the lore of the mass effect tilogy at all whats so ever.

It is nothing more than speculation based off one's view on particular scenes, which leads to massive amounts of fanfiction, nothing is proven. 

This is coming from someone who likes the theory.  

Also... what did you just type "saying that the lore of mass effect doesn't because of the star child, which everyone who hates IT loves so much"  What?

oh look its mr/mrs perfect in every way.

Sure?  You didn't answer my question. 

[KneeTheCap]

IT-related thread that has not been locked, what gives?

IT was from the start a fan-made theory, but that doesn't mean it was not intented by Bioware or that it's not correct.

I do not see how that statement invalidates the theory, can someone elaborate that?

And Stan is wrong about that encourage part. Bioware did add fuel to the flames. Whether or not they did that just to quell fans or anything, is not the case.

Modifié par KneeTheCap, 02 mars 2013 - 12:50 .

[ahnariprellik]

XXIceColdXX wrote...

Ninja Stan is not a dev. Those sort of decisions whether IT is right or wrong is above his pay grade. Devs have stated IT is a valid interpretation of the ending.

Even Priestly and Merizan have said that one of their playthroughs is in line with IT.

This. Can't understand why people say its dead if the Dev Team plays with IT in mind as well. Sound like the non-IT supporters are the ones in denial.

[RaenImrahl]

IT should be discussed in the groups, as the OP well knows.

[BioWareM0d13]

KneeTheCap wrote...

IT-related thread that has not been locked, what gives?

IT was from the start a fan-made theory, but that doesn't mean it was not intented by Bioware or that it's not correct.

I do not see how that statement invalidates the theory, can someone elaborate that?

And Stan is wrong about that encourage part. Bioware did add fuel to the flames. Whether or not they did that just to quell fans or anything, is not the case.

Indoctrination Theory died the moment the Extended Cut was released.

All that has lived on since then has been fan denial.

[XxDarkTimexX]

spirosz wrote...

XxDarkTimexX wrote...

spirosz wrote...

XxDarkTimexX wrote...

Saying IT is fan fiction is saying that the lore of mass effect doesn't because of the star child which everyone who hates IT loves so much. If people think It is grasping at straws but at least its part of the lore of what mass effect is about the other theories is grasping at straws. IT is grasping at straws even tho i has nothing to do with the lore of the mass effect tilogy at all whats so ever.

It is nothing more than speculation based off one's view on particular scenes, which leads to massive amounts of fanfiction, nothing is proven. 

This is coming from someone who likes the theory.  

Also... what did you just type "saying that the lore of mass effect doesn't because of the star child, which everyone who hates IT loves so much"  What?

oh look its mr/mrs perfect in every way.

Sure?  You didn't answer my question. 

What i mean't is people who hate IT love the starchild and has a better answer why he is there. If someone says bad writing it only proves that people has no idea what happen durring the ending. The only reason why i like IT is not everything you see at face value is the truth. I have to ask this question is " Is the devs really telling the truth"  for example bioware said they aren't creating new ending for EC.