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[RaptorSolutions]

ToLazy4Name wrote...

alhamel94 wrote...

DoomHK wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

How on earth does it break lore? It's entirely possible to have older weapons in a modern war. Lancer's not even that old, I dare say. Mass effect 1 was maybe 4-5 years ago in the mass effect timeline?

Indeed. The gap between ME1 and ME3 is even smaller than that, so there's absolutely no reason why the M-7 couldn't appear.

yes but the fact the it is so powerful is what breaks the lore. in theory thermal clips are utilized to increase weapon power. the fact the old model without thermal clips is signifigantly more powerful than the avenger is what breaks the lore.

LOL no. 

Thermal clips were introduced so they you could continue firing so long as you have them at the ready, instead of being forced to adhere to your gun's cooldown. It's like the difference in the Typhoon and Particle Rifle. 

Huh, I forgot about that particular analogy. Its definetly more immediately accesible.

[Rudenut]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

HK-447 wrote...

Thermal clips are utilized to decrease the time between firing, so the gun wouldnt overheat and take a while to cool down, I never heard of thermal clips improving weapon power

This.

The alliance picked up thermal clip ideas from the Geth who utilized it. Weapon power wan't a factor.

I think the thermal clip manufacturing tradegroup lobby played a role in them being adopted.

[RaptorSolutions]

Rudenut wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

HK-447 wrote...

Thermal clips are utilized to decrease the time between firing, so the gun wouldnt overheat and take a while to cool down, I never heard of thermal clips improving weapon power

This.

The alliance picked up thermal clip ideas from the Geth who utilized it. Weapon power wan't a factor.

I think the thermal clip manufacturing tradegroup lobby played a role in them being adopted.

Damn lobbyists. Thats why we now need to hump ammo boxes. I hope they are happy.

[LegacyOfTheAsh]

alhamel94 wrote...

 about the lancer breaking lore?

Because it doesn't.

[CrimsonN7]

Ah for godsake, people will complain about anything. Bioware's lore, they can do what they want.

[Googleness]

if shaperd had the lancer he could kill the starbrat and avoid the crap ending.

[Aerowind]

I always wondered why the newer thermal clip guns didn't have both. I honestly don't see any reason why they couldn't cool down the normal way as well as being able to be swapped out.

[StoxRegalia]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

Ah for godsake, people will complain about anything. Bioware's lore, they can do what they want.

they can't apparently

[RaptorSolutions]

Aerowind wrote...

I always wondered why the newer thermal clip guns didn't have both. I honestly don't see any reason why they couldn't cool down the normal way as well as being able to be swapped out.

Probably because of space considerations or something. More practically though, they don't want us to have nice things.

[HK-447]

Geth invent the coolest stuff...

[adayaday]

Lore is dead anyway.

[Grunt_Platform]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

How on earth does it break lore? It's entirely possible to have older weapons in a modern war. Lancer's not even that old, I dare say. Mass effect 1 was maybe 4-5 years ago in the mass effect timeline?

This.

In fact, the thermal clips "upgrade" for Mass Effect 2 would depend on stable supply lines. Something that was easy before the Reaper invasion. If anything, the resurgance of cooldown weapons makes the most sense in extreme circumstances like the invasion. It reinforces lore, and strenghtens it.

There's a ton of stuff in the multiplayer that strains lore, but the M-7 Lancer isn't one of them.

[RohanSpartan]

I don't know how it's breaking "lore". In Gears of War 3 they brought back the Retro Lancers in a way that makes sense. They did the same for the Lancer in ME3MP.

[Beeno4Life]

alhamel94 wrote...

 about the lancer breaking lore?

It even says in the description it's a "rare collector's item". At least read the relevant data before complaining, you twit.

[Kel Riever]

Because if anyone cared about lore, no volus would be so stupid as to join the fight directly.

But cartoony and fun game play can often replace lore. Therefore Volus bowling ball. Whether the Lancer meets lore or not is hardly on the list of the greatest offenders of lore.

[Fang92]

Astartes Marine wrote...

RaptorSolutions wrote...
Get your lore straight. Its utilized to increase overall firepower by increasing overall RoF because its easier for a trained soldier to reload rather than waiting for it to cooldown. Compare a standard AR without mods to let you fire forever to the current Avenger. One will keep up a greater volume of fire.

If those soldiers knew the value of frictionless materials then there would be no overheat...ever.  I distincly remember being able to fire the HMWA weapons without regard for heat because of them.

Kinda defeats the idea of thermal clips if you have the firepower and no fear of overheat.

If you remember the value of frictionless materials youd know a military would need to sell one of their better warships to arm just one soldier.

[Ashevajak]

alhamel94 wrote...

DoomHK wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

How on earth does it break lore? It's entirely possible to have older weapons in a modern war. Lancer's not even that old, I dare say. Mass effect 1 was maybe 4-5 years ago in the mass effect timeline?

Indeed. The gap between ME1 and ME3 is even smaller than that, so there's absolutely no reason why the M-7 couldn't appear.

yes but the fact the it is so powerful is what breaks the lore. in theory thermal clips are utilized to increase weapon power. the fact the old model without thermal clips is signifigantly more powerful than the avenger is what breaks the lore.

It's only more powerful because you're not firing the Avenger on full auto.

Modifié par Altheas, 02 mars 2013 - 01:35 .

[DullahansXMark]

RaptorSolutions wrote...

Aerowind wrote...

I always wondered why the newer thermal clip guns didn't have both. I honestly don't see any reason why they couldn't cool down the normal way as well as being able to be swapped out.

Probably because of space considerations or something. More practically though, they don't want us to have nice things.

More or less this. However, as the weapon (in-universe) gets more and more advanced they can begin to cut back on space being used in the gun while keeping its original power, freeing up some space for other handy features (such as more power, and such). Kinda why as we level up a gun, it gets more powerful, holds more ammo AND weighs less. Because the space magic in the gun is improving.

In ME4 we might have such a thing as thermal clip and overheat in the same gun.

[DullahansXMark]

Altheas wrote...

alhamel94 wrote...

DoomHK wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

How on earth does it break lore? It's entirely possible to have older weapons in a modern war. Lancer's not even that old, I dare say. Mass effect 1 was maybe 4-5 years ago in the mass effect timeline?

Indeed. The gap between ME1 and ME3 is even smaller than that, so there's absolutely no reason why the M-7 couldn't appear.

yes but the fact the it is so powerful is what breaks the lore. in theory thermal clips are utilized to increase weapon power. the fact the old model without thermal clips is signifigantly more powerful than the avenger is what breaks the lore.

It's only more powerful because you're not firing the Avenger on full auto.

I think you're confusing the Avenger with a Mattock.

[FataliTensei]

8 Bears wrote...

Because the lore has been broken in about a thousand different ways already by MP, everyone stopped caring.

Considering how lore got thrown out the window SP I think alot of people stopped caring a long time ago. 

[Eelectrica]

alhamel94 wrote...

 about the lancer breaking lore?

Lore in MP?
Yes very funny, a warm up joke right?

[Cole Jones]

Because they have to have something to ****. Really Thermal clip's are a MASSIVE step backwards. I bet every Logistics's NCO Quit when the Alliance decided to re use Clipped weans.

[SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING]

alhamel94 wrote...

 about the lancer breaking lore?

becuase the MP chapter is done there will be no more DLC so whatever happens just happens...we are at the end of the road....complaining is just pissing in the wind

[HK-447]

Cole Jones wrote...

Because they have to have something to ****. Really Thermal clip's are a MASSIVE step backwards. I bet every Logistics's NCO Quit when the Alliance decided to re use Clipped weans.

The fact that it plays like current uhh, ammunition tech? I dunno what to call it, does not mean that its a step backwards, it says in the codex entry that a trained soldier could swap thermal clips in less than a second, meaning there is barely any gap between shots