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[David7204]

I'm curious. Does anyone here seriously think that any real life military or government would really believe that galactic annihilation is imminent and take the appropriate measures?

[Mr.House]

David7204 wrote...

I'm curious. Does anyone here seriously think that any real life military or government would really believe that galactic annihilation is imminent and take the appropriate measures?

Mass Effect is not real life.

[tevix]

@Mr. House

Um...did you read my post? You seemed to think I said "Saren and the geth"...I said "Sovereign and the geth". Read it again if you don't believe me.

Why refer to it as sovereign? Humoring shepard, as another poster said. It was was Saren and Shepard referred to it as, they have no reason to believe that's what it calls itself.

[Reap_ii]

Mr.House wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I'm curious. Does anyone here seriously think that any real life military or government would really believe that galactic annihilation is imminent and take the appropriate measures?

Mass Effect is not real life.

the hell you say?

[Mr.House]

tevix wrote...

@Mr. House

Um...did you read my post? You seemed to think I said "Saren and the geth"...I said "Sovereign and the geth". Read it again if you don't believe me.

Why refer to it as sovereign? Humoring shepard, as another poster said. It was was Saren and Shepard referred to it as, they have no reason to believe that's what it calls itself.

Did you even click that link? The council outright says the Reapers.

[tevix]

No I didn't because I was answering you're direct and relatively unrealted questions.

I also said initially I could be remember wrong. And I was.

Sheesh. Gonna step out of this thread now.

[tevix]

Wow...the typos in that last post...time for bed.

[shodiswe]

I think the council might have launched a few extra investigations, and maybe an archeological dig to see if any "proof" could be found, if nothing else it would allow them to calm down the hystirical Asari Shepard or Turian Shepard or even Salarian.

I still think they would have wanted more proof, they might have spent a little bit more resources investigating the claim however.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Jadebaby wrote...

I just don't understand why Tevos didn't meld with Shepard like Shiala or Liara did.. It's like "hello!"

Because Aria would kill her.

[Jadebaby]

David7204 wrote...

I'm curious. Does anyone here seriously think that any real life military or government would really believe that galactic annihilation is imminent and take the appropriate measures?

Yes.

[ElementL09]

Jonathan Sud wrote...

The Council wasn't as unfair to humanity as people like Ashley, Anderson, and Udina made them out to be, so I'd say no.

I agree, they didn't seem that unfair, sure they are jabs at Humanity, but what it all came down to was what evidence was provided.  As soon as Shepard found evidence of Saren being a rogue spectre, he was given the greenlight basically to do whatever needed to be done as a Spectre. I think if Shepard was one of the council races, then he would have alittle more respect from one of the councilors but that would be it.  I doubt that because "he's one of the council races", the council is going to believe him about what he says about the Reapers.

[Display Name Owner]

Yeah, the Council actually aren't as stupid or unreasonable as they're made out to be. Shepard couldn't deliver any concrete evidence of the Reapers existing, and there were much more plausible explanations for Sovereign and Saren's activities. I mean, they pretty much allowed you to align yourself with Cerberus in order to tackle the Collector threat. And they were right, abandoning their own defences in order to rush the Reapers at Earth would have been both foolish and pointless.

I think it's less about Shepard being human and more about him being new to the Spectres. In fact, his induction was rushed just because Saren had attacked a Human colony. That and the lack of any evidence pertaining to the Reapers explains it all.

[Ice Cold J]

 I would say yes, since they sided with Saren right up until there was overwheling and irrevocable evidence against him.

[ForThessia]

Ice Cold J wrote...

 I would say yes, since they sided with Saren right up until there was overwheling and irrevocable evidence against him.

Ever heard of "Innocent until proven guilty"? they did what they were supposed to do.

I personally think that a Renegade Shep who sacrificed the Council and tried to form an all human Council should have been treated as a war criminal and gotten jack-s**t from the Citadel races in ME3.

[Barquiel]

Ice Cold J wrote...

 I would say yes, since they sided with Saren right up until there was overwheling and irrevocable evidence against him.

The evidence against him wasn't that good. Saren was their top agent...and a traumatized human dockworker, interrogated by humans...who were under the command of Captain Anderson (who has a history with Saren) is our only evidence. That was enough for them to bring about a C-Sec investigation...which turned up nothing.

[tevix]

A C-Sec investigation of a spectre is the very definition of throwing someone a bone. Since they can't actually INVESTIGATE anything, it's pointless.

Also, Saren touted the reapers. What showed up was a reaper. Shepard could have shown them the relay on the citadel to help prove his point. He could have shown them the control panel, the data file. The game never indicates that he did, but do we honestly believe the council would believe him anyway?

They don't even acknowledge their failure or apologize ONCE in ME3. They're blind as bats. Their idiociy in locking him out of his ship when he had proof where he needed to be nearly cost the entire galaxy. I think you guys give them too much credit.

They're politicians. They're not intelligent.

[Exile Isan]

tevix wrote...

A C-Sec investigation of a spectre is the very definition of throwing someone a bone. Since they can't actually INVESTIGATE anything, it's pointless.

This is what bugs me the most about the Council in ME1. They sent a C-sec officer to investigate a Spectre, but didn't give him any kind of clearance to look over Saren's recent activities and expected him to get results. And you wonder why Garrus was so frustrated and was continuing his investigation despite executor Pallin telling him to back off.

As far as their backsliding on the Reaper menance in ME2, I can totally see them doing this. Because it's easier to stick your head in the sand than believe that there are ancient space ships in dark space waiting to come destroy all galactic civilization.

Time also was not on Shep's side I think. It has been two years and some months since the attack on the Citadel and nothing has happened. No other ships like Sovereign have been seen, no geth attacks, nothing. After so much time it would be easy to slip back into the old rut and discount Sovereign as a Geth ship and the whole attack as an isolated incident.

[Col.Aurion]

Yes, yes they Are, you can see the white contrails there too!.... Wait what?

[Lost Mercenary]

If I remember correctly, didn't Anderson and Kahlee sanders present the Council with Grayson's Reaperfied body as proof and the Council still told them to go and f**k of? Ok it happened in Deception BUT STILL it proves that they were just in deep deep denial about the whole.

My one lasting regret in life is that I couldn't finger quote the Turian Councilor in ME3. Git!

[Felya87]

I could't say much about the Council in ME1...I think they would have been little to Shepard even if he/she was of another race...Saren was their best agent, after all.
And even in ME2, I could find it understable for them to "forget" about what was the Sovereign. Believe in the Reapers was quite hard, after all, and there wasn't much proof of the fact that Sovereign wasn't an isolated case, or a unic model of ship. Vigil wasn't usable anymore, after all.

I think what would have made a big difference would be with the disappaerance of the colonies, if those where of Others races, instead of Human. I don't think much, but at least a more accurate investigation would have been made. Surely more than the "is a Human problem, because they made colonies near terminus system, even if is there that the Council let them go".

Still I would have liked for Shep a sarcastic remark for the Council in ME3...I think Shep had too little chance to insult those guys. Something like "I told you so..." but in a sarcastic and angry way.

[Ice Cold J]

ForThessia wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...

 I would say yes, since they sided with Saren right up until there was overwheling and irrevocable evidence against him.

Ever heard of "Innocent until proven guilty"? they did what they were supposed to do.

I personally think that a Renegade Shep who sacrificed the Council and tried to form an all human Council should have been treated as a war criminal and gotten jack-s**t from the Citadel races in ME3.

I agree about the renegade Shep, but that's another spot how the choices made in the trilogy didn't add upp in the end.

And an eye witness account, traumatized or not, should count for something.

Barquiel wrote...

The evidence against him wasn't that good. Saren was their top agent...and a traumatized human dockworker, interrogated by humans...who were under the command of Captain Anderson (who has a history with Saren) is our only evidence. That was enough for them to bring about a C-Sec investigation...which turned up nothing.

If Shep weren't a human, he probably would've been a Spectre already.

And see above.

And if you want to REALLY know what a Spectre is up to, another Spectre should be recruited, since C-Sec can't touch anyhting they do.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

if shepard had a video cam on his omni tool the war would have been over but alas it was scripted!
ex. recorded soveriegn and saren conversation the evidence would have been irrefutable. disaster befell the universe a sequence of unfortunate events that led to tragedy.

Actually, I think the council would still dismiss the claim. For example, shepard shows the video, and all the council says is that "This only proves that soverign and saren had intention to decieve you. This recording, this conversation, could easily have been preprogramed to throw you off of sarens trail, or to make you convinced to join him."

[Cainhurst Crow]

David7204 wrote...

I'm curious. Does anyone here seriously think that any real life military or government would really believe that galactic annihilation is imminent and take the appropriate measures?

I'm studying goverment and have looked through military history, most countries would deny a threat at that magnitude from exsisting while also preparing their own domestic defenses in secret.

Essentially, it turns into everyone defending themselves, not working together, and denying it to their citizens.

[tevix]

The council dismisses the human disapearrances as being in the terminus system, as does the alliance. Heck in ME1 the Council outright refuses to defend human colonises no matter how many are attacked.

"We won't get dragged into a confrontation with the Terminus systems over a FEW DOZEN human colonies"

A dozen is 12...a few is usually at least three, that's at least FOURTY colonies that they refuse to defend. That's outright ludicrous. Then the repeated disappearance of Alliance ships (that they sent out to eliminate geth) in ME2 they never investigated and probably dismissed it as random pirate attacks (despite there being like no evidence).

This is DEFINATELY a human issue, and a denial issue.

[ForThessia]

tevix wrote...

The council dismisses the human disapearrances as being in the terminus system, as does the alliance. Heck in ME1 the Council outright refuses to defend human colonises no matter how many are attacked.

"We won't get dragged into a confrontation with the Terminus systems over a FEW DOZEN human colonies"

A dozen is 12...a few is usually at least three, that's at least FOURTY colonies that they refuse to defend. That's outright ludicrous. Then the repeated disappearance of Alliance ships (that they sent out to eliminate geth) in ME2 they never investigated and probably dismissed it as random pirate attacks (despite there being like no evidence).

This is DEFINATELY a human issue, and a denial issue.

The Terminus systems are beyond their juristiction. The colonists knew that they were leaving Council protection when they went out to those colonies. It's really not that difficult to understand.