Carlina wrote...
Carlina wrote...
GoldFlsh wrote...
HYR 2.0 wrote...
Demoiselle wrote...
Godammit Tali, how much of a machoist are you?
I can refuse to give you the evidence in ME1, support Cerberus in ME2 and get your father exiled and you STILL insist on being a squaddie no matter what?
Seriously, by ME3 do no squaddies care how badly you treated them in the past two games?
It's got nothing to do with "treat badly." It has everything to do with practicality. Handing in the evidence, as she says herself, was for the best because not getting exiled lead to her becoming Admiral and thus influencing the quarians against the war. And the game backs this up, as it's harder to achieve geth-quarian peace if she's exiled.
The player may not even have had high enough persuation to clear her name otherwise, in which case, handing in the evidence was the right call to make. She spent the rest of ME2 being angry about it before working that out and forgiving it.
I believe it's literally impossible to achieve peace with her exiled. She won't have the sway over the admirals to tell them to stand down, since they don't care to listen to an exiled Quarian, whether she's right or wrong. Even if you have all the other things right, and 22 points, if she's exiled you won't get the ability to talk down the admiralty board. Atleast I couldn't.
She'll still be your crew member, however...assuming you picked the Quarians over the Geth.
I am almost certain that I did. I will load the game at that point and see. I definitely handed the evidence over. Grrr that Reaper fight though to find out.
Demoiselle, I have just loaded it up and Tali dies. Only thing is I didn't have many Paragon/Renegade/Rep points. It is a first playthrough load whether that makes a difference. I did not get the two options on the left and chance to intervene with the Admiral's. I will probably get to that point tonight with 2nd playthru char which has more points, so will see. Looks like you can't though.
You don't have the option to talk them down at all if you did *not* hand in the evidence in 2, but also did not use either the ren/par options in 2. Therefore, Tali is exiled(but is loyal) and is never promoted to Admiral, but comes back for this mission as a geth expert. When you get to the scene with Legion/Tali at the end if you choose to upload the code, Tali will beg them to stand down but they won't listen to her. At this point you can choose to interrupt Legion's upload and Shep/Legion will duke it out or allow him to continue and Tali/Quarians will die. This is usually where the rep options come into play, but they won't even show on the side. Personally, I prefer this ending to peace. Not because I don't like the geth, but because it's more indicative of the desperation of war, on all sides. Not everybody gets a happy ending.
Plus (off topic a tiny bit), personally, I wish rep wasn't an automatic "I win" button for everything in 3. There's never any reason to take to the not rep options because the rep option is always the one you want where everything goes 100% smoothly and correctly. There isn't even a reason to choose between the two rep options, they both seem to play out exactly the same, just in one Shep is a little bit meaner about it. It needs to be less painted, and it needs to feel like each choice is a grey one, imo. There's ups and downs to every choice that isn't a rep choice, Renegade isn't automatically doing things more stupid than Paragon or viceversa.
Modifié par GoldFlsh, 03 mars 2013 - 02:37 .
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