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[MissAmanda]

When I have access to my laptop again, I'll edit that wall of text into the first post

[o Ventus]

The Widow is not an asari weapon. There are no hints pointing to that.

The Vindicator is manufactured by ERCS, a turian company.

I'll give you the Lancer, though it's manufactured by Hahne-Kedar.

The Locust is from Kassa Fabrications, a human company.

The Shuriken is produced by Elkoss Combine, which is a volus company. The Shuriken could technically be put in the volus category.

The Argus is a modified Mattock, which was used by the Alliance before the Lancer and Avenger.

Modifié par o Ventus, 02 mars 2013 - 04:44 .

[ThatOddGuy]

MissAmanda wrote...

For those people who enjoy an element of role-playing in their games, instead of pure killing effectiveness. The following list matches each class with a specific weapon, with only a few exceptions. The five common weapons were excluded, the krogan and quarian classes got double use out of a couple weapons, and the Destroyer and Talon were both assigned two weapons since cooldowns are irrelevant for those characters.

FACTION LISTS:
Alliance classes: Adept, Soldier, BF3, Engineer, Sentinel, Infiltrator, Vanguard
Alliance Weapons: Phalanx, Saber, Lancer, Falcon, Black Widow, Suppressor
Likely Alliance Weapons: Mattock

N7 classes: Fury, Destroyer, Demolisher, Paladin, Shadow, Slayer
N7 Weapons: Eagle, Typhoon, Crusader, Valkyrie, Valiant, Piranha, Hurricane

Reformed classes: Phoenix Adept, Talon, AIU, Phoenix Vanguard
Reformed Weapons: Hornet, Eviscerator, Harrier, Talon, Raptor

Asari classes: Adept, Justicar, Valkyrie, Huntress, Vanguard
Asari Weapons: Disciple, Acolyte
Likely Asari Weapons: Tempest, Widow, Scimitar

Salarian classes: Engineer, Infiltrator
Salarian Weapons: Scorpion, Venom

Turian classes: Soldier, Havok, Saboteur, Sentinel, Ghost, Cabal
Turian Weapons: Phaeston, Krysae
Likely Turian Weapons: Incisor, Argus, Paladin

Krogan classes: Shaman, Soldier, Sentinel, Warlord, Battlemaster
Krogan Weapons: Graal, Striker, Claymore

Batarian classes: Slasher, Soldier, Sentinel, Brawler
Batarian Weapons: Kishock, AT12
Likely Batarian Weapons: Wraith, Revenant

Quarian classes: Marksman, Engineer, M Engineer, Infiltrator, M Infiltrator
Quarian Weapons: Adas, Arc Pistol, Reegar

Geth classes: Trooper, Juggernaut, Engineer, Infiltrator
Geth Weapons: Rifle, Spitfire, SMG, Javelin, Shotgun

Drell classes: Adept, Assassin, Vanguard
Drell Weapons: none
Likely Drell Weapons: Locust, Viper, Vindicator

Vorcha classes: Soldier, Hunter, Sentinel
Vorcha Weapons: Punisher, Executioner

Volus classes: Adept, Sentinel, Merc, Protector
Volus Weapons: none

Collector classes: Awakened
Collector Weapons: PPR, Col SMG, Col Rifle, Col Sniper

Inconclusive Weapons: Carnifex, Indra

ASSIGNMENTS & REASONING:
Adepts: The general goal is a light weapon, typically SMG, to facilitate power use.
Human - Phalanx, N7 - Eagle, Phoenix - Hornet, Asari - Tempest (Eclipse weapon and Eclipse are usually Asari), Justicar - Disciple, Shaman - Graal, Slasher - Wraith (slaver weapon and Batarian known for slaving), Drell - Locust (hitman weapon and Drell famous assassins), Volus - Col SMG (who better to use stolen, top of the line Collector tech), Awakened - PPR

Soldiers: The general goal is a well rounded weapon, typically assault rifle.
Human - Saber, N7 - Typhoon & Crusader, BF3 - Lancer (archaic weapon for archaic class), Turian - Phaeston, Havok - Incisor, Krogan - Striker, Batarian - Revenant (weapon for warlords), Marksman - Adas, Trooper - Geth Rifle, Juggernaut - Spitfire, Vorcha - Carnifex

Engineers: Lighter weapons preferred, as well as weapons with fuller utility roles.
Human - Falcon, N7 - Valkyrie, Talon - Eviscerator & Harrier (Talon would have access to Cerberus weapons due to siege of Omega), Salarian - Scorpion, Saboteur - Raptor (was Turian weapon first), Quarian - Arc Pistol, M Quarian - Arc Pistol, Geth - Geth SMG, Hunter - Punisher, Volus - Col Sniper

Sentinels: Focus is on using high damage weapons from durable platforms.
Human - Black Widow, N7 - Valiant, Valkyrie - Widow (no longer a Geth weapon, found near an Asari sniper), Turian - Krysae, Krogan - Claymore, Warlord - Claymore, Batarian - Kishock, Vorcha - Executioner, Volus Merc - Indra

Infiltrators: Focus is on weapons which benefit most from cloaking.
Human - Suppressor, N7 - Piranha, AIU - Geth Shotgun (AIU needs a shotgun, what better than one designed by another synthetic), Huntress - Acolyte, Salarian - Venom, Ghost - Argus (law enforcement weapon which is typical Turian role), Quarian - Reegar, M Quarian - Reegar, Geth - Javelin, Assassin - Viper

Vanguards: Generally focus is on weapons that do damage quickly at close quarters.
Human - Mattock, N7 - Hurricane, Phoenix - Talon, Asari - Scimitar (Eclipse weapon), Cabal - Paladin (law enforcement weapon), Krogan - Graal, Brawler - AT12, Drell - Vindicator (assassin weapon), Protector - Col Rifle

GENERAL NOTES:
The reasoning is pretty straight forward, based off of descriptions and where the weapons are discovered in game. The only two weapons which lacked a suitable basis for assignment were the Carnifex, which has a vast array of potential sources, and the Indra, which had no clues as to source. Feedback welcomed, thanks for reading and/or skimming.

A large portion of the weapons are actually manufactured by Turians and put on the market, for what it's worth. Weapons like the basic 5, I think Scimitar, Carnifex, Paladin, Vindicator, Revenant, Mattock? Argus? I think Tempest as well. Not sure about Locust. Viper, Incisor. Not 100% sure, but I know a LOT of weapons are manufactured by Turians.

Also, Raptor is a Turian weapon. Just because Cerberus units use them doesn't mean they are Cerberus weapons.

Pretty sure the Widow (and thus probably the Black Widow) are Geth weapons, possibly with Quarian origins. The lore we are given is that they are Geth. Maybe they are manufactured by Geth before they went sentient, and given to Quarians? Who the hell knows.

Wraith is a modified Eviscerator, but I don't think it is modified by Cerverus. Possibly Alliance?


I might be wrong about a couple, or I might have missed a couple. THat's just off the top of my head.

Modifié par ThatOddGuy, 02 mars 2013 - 04:46 .

[MissAmanda]

It doesn't matter who makes the weapon, it matters who is the intended user

[jdmteggy4life]

JaimasOfRaxis wrote...

Cerberus: Mattock, Harrier, Eviscerator, Phalanx, Hornet, Raptor
Collector: Collector Rifle, Collector SMG, Collector Sniper Rifle

dont forget the particle rifle he's a beast with it too.

[MissAmanda]

The raptor is actually described as a human variant of a Turian weapon I end up assigning it to a Turian class however because there are more Turian classes than Cerberus ones. The black widow is specifically called an alliance weapon. I've already discussed the clues for the mass Effect three widow, and the developers have explicitly stated that it is not a Geth weapon, hence Geth get no Geth weapon bonus with it. And the wraith is said to be favored by slavers, hence Batarian.

[jdmteggy4life]

ThatOddGuy wrote...

MissAmanda wrote...

For those people who enjoy an element of role-playing in their games, instead of pure killing effectiveness. The following list matches each class with a specific weapon, with only a few exceptions. The five common weapons were excluded, the krogan and quarian classes got double use out of a couple weapons, and the Destroyer and Talon were both assigned two weapons since cooldowns are irrelevant for those characters.

FACTION LISTS:
Alliance classes: Adept, Soldier, BF3, Engineer, Sentinel, Infiltrator, Vanguard
Alliance Weapons: Phalanx, Saber, Lancer, Falcon, Black Widow, Suppressor
Likely Alliance Weapons: Mattock

N7 classes: Fury, Destroyer, Demolisher, Paladin, Shadow, Slayer
N7 Weapons: Eagle, Typhoon, Crusader, Valkyrie, Valiant, Piranha, Hurricane

Reformed classes: Phoenix Adept, Talon, AIU, Phoenix Vanguard
Reformed Weapons: Hornet, Eviscerator, Harrier, Talon, Raptor

Asari classes: Adept, Justicar, Valkyrie, Huntress, Vanguard
Asari Weapons: Disciple, Acolyte
Likely Asari Weapons: Tempest, Widow, Scimitar

Salarian classes: Engineer, Infiltrator
Salarian Weapons: Scorpion, Venom

Turian classes: Soldier, Havok, Saboteur, Sentinel, Ghost, Cabal
Turian Weapons: Phaeston, Krysae
Likely Turian Weapons: Incisor, Argus, Paladin

Krogan classes: Shaman, Soldier, Sentinel, Warlord, Battlemaster
Krogan Weapons: Graal, Striker, Claymore

Batarian classes: Slasher, Soldier, Sentinel, Brawler
Batarian Weapons: Kishock, AT12
Likely Batarian Weapons: Wraith, Revenant

Quarian classes: Marksman, Engineer, M Engineer, Infiltrator, M Infiltrator
Quarian Weapons: Adas, Arc Pistol, Reegar

Geth classes: Trooper, Juggernaut, Engineer, Infiltrator
Geth Weapons: Rifle, Spitfire, SMG, Javelin, Shotgun

Drell classes: Adept, Assassin, Vanguard
Drell Weapons: none
Likely Drell Weapons: Locust, Viper, Vindicator

Vorcha classes: Soldier, Hunter, Sentinel
Vorcha Weapons: Punisher, Executioner

Volus classes: Adept, Sentinel, Merc, Protector
Volus Weapons: none

Collector classes: Awakened
Collector Weapons: PPR, Col SMG, Col Rifle, Col Sniper

Inconclusive Weapons: Carnifex, Indra

ASSIGNMENTS & REASONING:
Adepts: The general goal is a light weapon, typically SMG, to facilitate power use.
Human - Phalanx, N7 - Eagle, Phoenix - Hornet, Asari - Tempest (Eclipse weapon and Eclipse are usually Asari), Justicar - Disciple, Shaman - Graal, Slasher - Wraith (slaver weapon and Batarian known for slaving), Drell - Locust (hitman weapon and Drell famous assassins), Volus - Col SMG (who better to use stolen, top of the line Collector tech), Awakened - PPR

Soldiers: The general goal is a well rounded weapon, typically assault rifle.
Human - Saber, N7 - Typhoon & Crusader, BF3 - Lancer (archaic weapon for archaic class), Turian - Phaeston, Havok - Incisor, Krogan - Striker, Batarian - Revenant (weapon for warlords), Marksman - Adas, Trooper - Geth Rifle, Juggernaut - Spitfire, Vorcha - Carnifex

Engineers: Lighter weapons preferred, as well as weapons with fuller utility roles.
Human - Falcon, N7 - Valkyrie, Talon - Eviscerator & Harrier (Talon would have access to Cerberus weapons due to siege of Omega), Salarian - Scorpion, Saboteur - Raptor (was Turian weapon first), Quarian - Arc Pistol, M Quarian - Arc Pistol, Geth - Geth SMG, Hunter - Punisher, Volus - Col Sniper

Sentinels: Focus is on using high damage weapons from durable platforms.
Human - Black Widow, N7 - Valiant, Valkyrie - Widow (no longer a Geth weapon, found near an Asari sniper), Turian - Krysae, Krogan - Claymore, Warlord - Claymore, Batarian - Kishock, Vorcha - Executioner, Volus Merc - Indra

Infiltrators: Focus is on weapons which benefit most from cloaking.
Human - Suppressor, N7 - Piranha, AIU - Geth Shotgun (AIU needs a shotgun, what better than one designed by another synthetic), Huntress - Acolyte, Salarian - Venom, Ghost - Argus (law enforcement weapon which is typical Turian role), Quarian - Reegar, M Quarian - Reegar, Geth - Javelin, Assassin - Viper

Vanguards: Generally focus is on weapons that do damage quickly at close quarters.
Human - Mattock, N7 - Hurricane, Phoenix - Talon, Asari - Scimitar (Eclipse weapon), Cabal - Paladin (law enforcement weapon), Krogan - Graal, Brawler - AT12, Drell - Vindicator (assassin weapon), Protector - Col Rifle

GENERAL NOTES:
The reasoning is pretty straight forward, based off of descriptions and where the weapons are discovered in game. The only two weapons which lacked a suitable basis for assignment were the Carnifex, which has a vast array of potential sources, and the Indra, which had no clues as to source. Feedback welcomed, thanks for reading and/or skimming.

A large portion of the weapons are actually manufactured by Turians and put on the market, for what it's worth. Weapons like the basic 5, I think Scimitar, Carnifex, Paladin, Vindicator, Revenant, Mattock? Argus? I think Tempest as well. Not sure about Locust. Viper, Incisor. Not 100% sure, but I know a LOT of weapons are manufactured by Turians.

Also, Raptor is a Turian weapon. Just because Cerberus units use them doesn't mean they are Cerberus weapons.

Pretty sure the Widow (and thus probably the Black Widow) are Geth weapons, possibly with Quarian origins. The lore we are given is that they are Geth. Maybe they are manufactured by Geth before they went sentient, and given to Quarians? Who the hell knows.

Wraith is a modified Eviscerator, but I don't think it is modified by Cerverus. Possibly Alliance?


I might be wrong about a couple, or I might have missed a couple. THat's just off the top of my head.

i consider the blood pack weapons krogan as well because most blood pack members are krogan though just my opinion ))

[o Ventus]

MissAmanda wrote...

It doesn't matter who makes the weapon, it matters who is the intended user

It most certainly does matter who the maker is. You wouldn't say the AK-47 isn't a Russian weapon because Middle-Eastern insurgents use it. Volkswagens are German cars, even though Americans also drive them.

[o Ventus]

MissAmanda wrote...

The raptor is actually described as a human variant of a Turian weapon I end up assigning it to a Turian class however because there are more Turian classes than Cerberus ones. The black widow is specifically called an alliance weapon. I've already discussed the clues for the mass Effect three widow, and the developers have explicitly stated that it is not a Geth weapon, hence Geth get no Geth weapon bonus with it. And the wraith is said to be favored by slavers, hence Batarian.

The Widow IS a geth weapon. In gameplay it isn't, because the Javelin exists. That's what they meant.

[MissAmanda]

Oh and the piranha is obviously intended for Vorcha, but given its N7 designator I felt it should be used by an N7 operative - plus it's perfect for the shadow

[Lomskis]

ThatOddGuy wrote...

A large portion of the weapons are actually manufactured by Turians and put on the market, for what it's worth. Weapons like the basic 5, I think Scimitar, Carnifex, Paladin, Vindicator, Revenant, Mattock? Argus? I think Tempest as well. Not sure about Locust. Viper, Incisor. Not 100% sure, but I know a LOT of weapons are manufactured by Turians.

Also, Raptor is a Turian weapon. Just because Cerberus units use them doesn't mean they are Cerberus weapons.

Pretty sure the Widow (and thus probably the Black Widow) are Geth weapons, possibly with Quarian origins. The lore we are given is that they are Geth. Maybe they are manufactured by Geth before they went sentient, and given to Quarians? Who the hell knows.

Wraith is a modified Eviscerator, but I don't think it is modified by Cerverus. Possibly Alliance?


I might be wrong about a couple, or I might have missed a couple. THat's just off the top of my head.

Tempest, Vindicator, Raptor - Turian made.
Viper, Scimitar - Human made.
Carniflex - possibly made by Kassa Fabrication (Human)?
Paladin - modified Carniflex.

[Constipator369]

If somebody actually knows the lore behind the MP, it turns out every setup is lore-friendly.

[progste2]

turian soldier with phaeston

[MissAmanda]

It would matter if we were playing game about making weapons - we're not. Some weapons specifically say who they were manufactured for, such as eclipse, while they are produced by Turian companies, etc. Therefore the weapon is not Turian but Asari in such a case.

There is a difference between weapons produced by the Turian military and weapons made by Turian companies.

[progste2]

Constipator369 wrote...

If somebody actually knows the lore behind the MP, it turns out every setup is lore-friendly.

it depends on your definition of lore-friendly:
if it is: something that may theoretically happen then everything the it is like you say
if it is: something that could happen and actually make sense in the setting than not every build is lore-friendly

[MissAmanda]

I'm not getting the insistence on the widow. The description specifically says that the gun in me3 is a new version made by an unnamed company. It is not the same as the me2 version which is why more people than just shepherd can use it.

[o Ventus]

MissAmanda wrote...

It would matter if we were playing game about making weapons - we're not. Some weapons specifically say who they were manufactured for, such as eclipse, while they are produced by Turian companies, etc. Therefore the weapon is not Turian but Asari in such a case.

It's still a turian weapon, only used by other people. You can't call it an Eclipse weapon, despite Eclipse not having any known part in its design.

There is a difference between weapons produced by the Turian military and weapons made by Turian companies.

Not really. Turian-made weapons are turian-made weapons are turian-made weapons. Even if we were to go this route, the vast majority of weapons in the game aren't designed by the actual militaries themselves, but rather 3rd party manufacturers.

Modifié par o Ventus, 02 mars 2013 - 05:16 .

[Adragalus]

o Ventus wrote...

N7Kopper wrote...

The Widow is a quarian weapon believed in-universe to be a geth weapon, to the extent of the Codex claiming so, when the ME2 version was likely just an upgraded model, like the Alliance's Black Widow.

The Widow wasn't even designed for organics to use. Shepard was the only one who could use it without shattering their arms in ME2.

@bold- Don't make a declarative statement like that, numerous pieces of evidence contradict that.

Accurate and deadly anti-material [sic] rifle. Effective against armor, shields, and biotic barriers. Upgrades the Viper Sniper Rifle.Weighing in at 39 kilograms, the Widow Anti-Material Rifle is primarily used by sniper teams in assault missions against armored vehicles or krogan. While kinetic barriers offer effective protection on vehicles, the kind generated by conventional military field generators are far too weak against the Widow.The Widow was never designed to be carried and fired by a human. Although this modified model can be carried, no ordinary human could fire it without shattering an arm.

From the ME2 weapon description. I believe they are referring to firing it from the hip/shoulder while standing.

[Wookie_Smuggler]

Too...much...OCD

[MissAmanda]

Weapons made for Asari should be used by Asari used by Asari used by Asari.

As far as I know there are no kits that create guns. So we should be concerned about using guns, not creating them.

[ThatOddGuy]

o Ventus wrote...

MissAmanda wrote...

It would matter if we were playing game about making weapons - we're not. Some weapons specifically say who they were manufactured for, such as eclipse, while they are produced by Turian companies, etc. Therefore the weapon is not Turian but Asari in such a case.

It's still a turian weapon, only used by other people. You can't call it an Eclipse weapon, despite Eclipse not having any known part in its design.

There is a difference between weapons produced by the Turian military and weapons made by Turian companies.

Not really. Turian-made weapons are turian-made weapons are turian-made weapons. Even if we were to go this route, the vast majority of weapons in the game aren't designed by the actual militaries themselves, but rather 3rd party manufacturers.

For the sake of the Lore... would it not make sense that Eclipse AND Turians use a weapon that is made by Turians, FOR Eclipse? 

Scimitar in this case? Among a couple more.

Same goes with Turian-made weapons that are made for the Alliance.


Similar case with the Wraith. Nowhere is it said who makes it. But slavers (Batarians) like to use it. So BAtarians can use Wraith, as well as whoever is modifying the Eviscerators in the first place (maybe Batarians?)

[MissAmanda]

Hey odd guy, most certainly - I'm not claiming that other people can't use the weapons with justification. I'm working from the viewpoint of attempting to give each class it's own unique weapon to use, based on the best possible lore justifications. With that goal in mind I've assigned every weapon above common to a specific class.

So yes Turian certainly have access to scimitars, but since it's made for eclipse, I think an Asari class fits best

[Lokiwithrope]

Geth Infiltrator with a Javelin. I be jamming now.

[o Ventus]

ThatOddGuy wrote...

For the sake of the Lore... would it not make sense that Eclipse AND Turians use a weapon that is made by Turians, FOR Eclipse? 

Scimitar in this case? Among a couple more.

Same goes with Turian-made weapons that are made for the Alliance.


Similar case with the Wraith. Nowhere is it said who makes it. But slavers (Batarians) like to use it. So BAtarians can use Wraith, as well as whoever is modifying the Eviscerators in the first place (maybe Batarians?)

Sure. Turian-made weapons can still be used by other people, it just remains to be a turian weapon. I believe I mentioned this earlier with my comparison to the AK-47.

[MissAmanda]

Oh and wordems about blood pack weapons being Krogan too but it just felt wrong putting a puny smg or pistol on a Krogan... when God made Krogan he gave them shotguns