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[MissAmanda]

Oh, and obviously all of these builds aren't exactly platinum viable, but should be functional on gold in the hands of reasonably skilled and coordinated teammates . I'll post some build suggestions and play tips for the classes carrying weaker weapons later. If you're playing this way, you're likely playing for fun however and won't mind playing on silver with the weaker options.

[Alter the Real]

I hope you don't mind, but I have taken the liberty of creating a more general list for a variety of backgrounds.
It is far from complete on account of my knowledge of certain aspects of the lore being somewhat limited,
so I would certainly welcome any input on weapon placement and potential character backgrounds.

AI: Alliance Infiltarion Unit
- Alliance Military - Black Widow, Crusader, Falcon, Hurricane, Phalanx, Piranha, Saber, Suppressor, Valiant,
  Valkyrie, Viper

Asari: Adept, Huntress, Valkyrie and Vanguard
- Asari Military - Acolyte, Disciple
- Council Spectre - Acolyte, Disciple
- C-Sec Officer - Argus, Paladin
- Eclipse Mercenary - Carnifex, Scimitar, Tempest
- Mercenary - Carnifex, Vindicator, Viper, Wraith

Asari: Justicar
- Justicar - Acolyte, Disciple

Batarian: Brawler, Sentinel, Slasher and Soldier
- Batarian Military - Kishock, Raider
- Blue Suns Mercenary - Kishock, Vindicator
- Mercenary - Carnifex, Kishock, Vindicator, Viper, Wraith

Collector: Awakened
- Awakened Collector - Collector Rifle, Collector SMG, Collector Sniper Rifle

Drell: Adept, Assassin and Vanguard
- Hanar Assassin - Locust, Vindicator, Viper
- Mercenary - Carnifex, Vindicator, Viper, Wraith

Geth: Engineer, Infiltrator, Juggernaut and Trooper
- Geth Military - Geth Plasma Shotgun, Geth Plasma SMG, Geth Pulse Rifle, Geth Spitfire, Javelin

Human: Adept, Engineer, Infiltrator, Sentinel, Soldier and Vanguard
- Alliance Military - Black Widow, Crusader, Falcon, Hurricane, Phalanx, Piranha, Saber, Suppressor, Valiant,
  Valkyrie
- Blue Suns Mercenary - Vindicator
- C-Sec Officer - Argus, Paladin
- Eclipse Mercenary - Carnifex, Scimitar, Tempest
- Mercenary - Carnifex, Vindicator, Viper, Wraith

Human: Demolisher, Destroyer, Fury, Paladin, Shadow and Slayer
- N7 Operative - Black Widow, Crusader, Eagle, Falcon, Hurricane, Phalanx, Piranha, Saber, Suppressor, Typhoon,
  Valiant, Valkyrie

Human: Phoenix Adept and Phoenix Vanguard
- Ex-Cerberus - Eviscerator, Harrier, Hornet,  Mattock, Phalanx, Raptor, Talon

Human: Talon Mercenary
- Mercenary - Carnifex, Vindicator, Viper, Wraith

Krogan: Adept, Sentinel, Soldier and Vanguard
- Blood Pack Mercenary - Claymore, Executioner, Graal Spike Thrower, Punisher, Scimitar
- Krogan Military - Claymore, Graal Spike Thrower, Striker
- Mercenary - Carnifex, Claymore, Graal Spike Thrower, Vindicator, Viper, Wraith

Krogan: Warlord
- Warlord - Claymore, Graal Spike Thrower, Striker

Quarian: Engineer, Infiltator, Male Engineer, Male Infiltator and Marksman
- Quarian Military - Adas Anti-Synthetic Rifle, Arc Pistol, Reegar Carbine

Salarian: Engineer and Infiltator
- Council Spectre - Scorpion, Venom
- C-Sec Officer -  Argus, Paladin
- Eclipse Mercenary - Carnifex, Scimitar, Tempest
- Mercenary - Carnifex, Vindicator, Viper, Wraith
- Salarian Military - Scorpion, Venom
- Salarian STG - Scorpion, Venom

Turian: Sentinel and Soldier
- Blue Suns Mercenary - Vindicator
- Council Spectre - Krysae, Phaeston
- C-Sec Officer - Argus, Incisor, Paladin
- Mercenary - Carnifex, Vindicator, Viper, Wraith
- Turian Military - Incisor, Krysae, Phaeston

Turian: Cabal, Ghost, Havoc and Saboteur
- Turian Military - Incisor, Krysae, Phaeston

Volus: Adept, Engineer, Mercenary and Protector
- Volus Military -

Vorcha: Hunter, Sentinel and Soldier
- Blood Pack Mercenary - Executioner, Punisher, Scimitar
- Mercenary - Carnifex, Vindicator, Viper, Wraith


Currently unassigned weapons: Indra, Lancer, Particle Rifle, Revenant, Widow

[MissAmanda]

Hadn't looked back at this in a while, but I just popped the game in again yesterday and thought of it. I like your ideas Alter the Real.

Looks like a pretty decent crowd is still playing so maybe I'll post those build suggestions soon after all.

[Derpy]

MissAmanda wrote...

The Widow in Mass Effect 2 is a Geth weapon, the mass Effect 3 gun is a variant and our only clue as to what race produced it is that it is found in game beside an Asari sniper

If you remember when you go in the Geth computer-thing, it shows a memory with a Geth finding a widow. I would think that it was a Quarian based gun 300 years prior to the war and the Geth most likely changed it. That is probably the version you find in the game.

[MissAmanda]

Nate_Assassin wrote...

MissAmanda wrote...

The Widow in Mass Effect 2 is a Geth weapon, the mass Effect 3 gun is a variant and our only clue as to what race produced it is that it is found in game beside an Asari sniper

If you remember when you go in the Geth computer-thing, it shows a memory with a Geth finding a widow. I would think that it was a Quarian based gun 300 years prior to the war and the Geth most likely changed it. That is probably the version you find in the game.

Hehe, everyone likes talking about the widow.

I doubt the widow was ever intended for Quarians. It seems likely to me that originally the Quarians designed the weapon for their Geth servants. The weapon in the memory appears virtually identical to the weapon found in M2, so it seems unlikely that they ever intended to use a weapon which would damage most organics who fired it. The weapon in M3 however is a redesign of the original, and is intended for organics now.

The game doesn't mention if the company who succeeded had an affiliation with any particular race, but we find the weapon next to a dead asari sniper, so it seems clear that the asari at least are using the m3 widow.

[anddill]

It is even hinted in game that this one weapon, picked up by the Geth in the Memory ist still used by the same Geth: Legion. Out of sentimental reasons.

[Derpy]

MissAmanda wrote...

Nate_Assassin wrote...

MissAmanda wrote...

The Widow in Mass Effect 2 is a Geth weapon, the mass Effect 3 gun is a variant and our only clue as to what race produced it is that it is found in game beside an Asari sniper

If you remember when you go in the Geth computer-thing, it shows a memory with a Geth finding a widow. I would think that it was a Quarian based gun 300 years prior to the war and the Geth most likely changed it. That is probably the version you find in the game.

Hehe, everyone likes talking about the widow.

I doubt the widow was ever intended for Quarians. It seems likely to me that originally the Quarians designed the weapon for their Geth servants. The weapon in the memory appears virtually identical to the weapon found in M2, so it seems unlikely that they ever intended to use a weapon which would damage most organics who fired it. The weapon in M3 however is a redesign of the original, and is intended for organics now.

The game doesn't mention if the company who succeeded had an affiliation with any particular race, but we find the weapon next to a dead asari sniper, so it seems clear that the asari at least are using the m3 widow.

Technically, based on what you said, it is still of Quarian origins if they created it to be used by Geth. You also can't go by were you find it as well because it was found in ME2 on the Collector's spaceship. And if I remember correctly, you find the Javelin next to a dead Quarian.

[MissAmanda]

Well, sure that's one of the least reliable clues, but the codex does specifically tell us that the me3 weapon is not a geth weapon. It doesn't say who is using it, but it says who isn't.

If anything, now that I'm thinking about it, it could be a cerberus weapon. They have the tech, and they were on the planet also. Basically, asari and cerberus are the possibilities because nobody else was on thesia.

Edit: also my list is concerned with who is using a weapon at the time of the game, not who made it

Modifié par MissAmanda, 16 décembre 2013 - 09:30 .

[Evil]

From the ME WIKI (not always reliable, I know...)
masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/War_Assets/Asari

The Armali Sniper Unit is an elite team of asari commandos who favor long-distance engagement. Some of the unit's soldiers have augmented themselves with strength-boosting cybernetic implants, allowing them to fire heavier guns, like the 39-kilogram M-98 Widow antimateriel [sic] rifle, with incredible precision.


Having a special forces team use a particular weapon doesn't make the weapon affiliated with their species/planet/nation/faction, spec ops often get to use non-standard issue equipment.

The fact that cybernetic augmentation is needed for an asari to use an M98 would also make the idea of the M98 being a standard issue weapon for them seem implausable.

Still, any player looking to role-play an asari with a M98 widow could just imagine themselves as a member of this unit.

Also the description for the nemesis make reference to cybernetic augmentation in order to withstand the recoil of an M98, so you could class it as a weapon used by Cerberus, although not manufactured exclusively by them.
masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Nemesis_(enemy)

To be honest this line here:
"After much trial and error, one company finally produced a usable model rolled out to the galactic market."
masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/M-98_Widow
Makes me think of the ME3 variant of the M98 as a weapon available to anyone who has the money, with no particular associations.

Personally I don't RP my characters, but I can see the appeal.

[david5112]

in mass effect 3 it says vindicator was made for blue suns also says scimitar is becoming popular with blood pack too

[Derpy]

Well, for one we know it is over 300 years old. It seems strange that a weapon so old wouldnt become obsolete. look at a 100 year old musket and compare it to a M16.

[MissAmanda]

Great info Evil Mastered. I certainly agree that the new version of the Widow, like most of the guns, is simply used by whoever can afford it. Very few weapons are clearly associated with one particular group, and they're usually instantly obvious with distinctive visual designs. The info about the cybernetic implants is a nice additional tidbit. Since we don't have a playable cerberus sniper, I'm happy with assigning the weapon to the asari sniper.

[Snow_Leopard25]

Great thread; thanks for pulling it back up on the radar!

[MissAmanda]

Good points david5112, the vindicator could easily go to batarians, turians, or humans as a blue suns weapon. I basically opted for focusing on the assassin part of the description due to the simple elegance of the three assassin weapons matching up with the three drell characters... the description also notes that the weapon is fairly popular throughout the terminus systems. With the scimitar, using it as a krogan weapon would also fit the description, but doing so would open a gap in the asari matchups, without another weapon to fill them.

[MissAmanda]

Made a few tweaks to reduce inconsistencies.

Glad you like it Snow Leopard

Modifié par MissAmanda, 18 décembre 2013 - 03:16 .

[MissAmanda]

Alter the Real wrote...

I hope you don't mind, but I have taken the liberty of creating a more general list for a variety of backgrounds.
It is far from complete on account of my knowledge of certain aspects of the lore being somewhat limited,
so I would certainly welcome any input on weapon placement and potential character backgrounds.

AI: Alliance Infiltarion Unit
- Alliance Military - Black Widow, Crusader, Falcon, Hurricane, Phalanx, Piranha, Saber, Suppressor, Valiant,
  Valkyrie, Viper

Asari: Adept, Huntress, Valkyrie and Vanguard
- Asari Military - Acolyte, Disciple
- Council Spectre - Acolyte, Disciple
- C-Sec Officer - Argus, Paladin
- Eclipse Mercenary - Carnifex, Scimitar, Tempest
- Mercenary - Carnifex, Vindicator, Viper, Wraith

Asari: Justicar
- Justicar - Acolyte, Disciple

Batarian: Brawler, Sentinel, Slasher and Soldier
- Batarian Military - Kishock, Raider
- Blue Suns Mercenary - Kishock, Vindicator
- Mercenary - Carnifex, Kishock, Vindicator, Viper, Wraith

Collector: Awakened
- Awakened Collector - Collector Rifle, Collector SMG, Collector Sniper Rifle

Drell: Adept, Assassin and Vanguard
- Hanar Assassin - Locust, Vindicator, Viper
- Mercenary - Carnifex, Vindicator, Viper, Wraith

Geth: Engineer, Infiltrator, Juggernaut and Trooper
- Geth Military - Geth Plasma Shotgun, Geth Plasma SMG, Geth Pulse Rifle, Geth Spitfire, Javelin

Human: Adept, Engineer, Infiltrator, Sentinel, Soldier and Vanguard
- Alliance Military - Black Widow, Crusader, Falcon, Hurricane, Phalanx, Piranha, Saber, Suppressor, Valiant,
  Valkyrie
- Blue Suns Mercenary - Vindicator
- C-Sec Officer - Argus, Paladin
- Eclipse Mercenary - Carnifex, Scimitar, Tempest
- Mercenary - Carnifex, Vindicator, Viper, Wraith

Human: Demolisher, Destroyer, Fury, Paladin, Shadow and Slayer
- N7 Operative - Black Widow, Crusader, Eagle, Falcon, Hurricane, Phalanx, Piranha, Saber, Suppressor, Typhoon,
  Valiant, Valkyrie

Human: Phoenix Adept and Phoenix Vanguard
- Ex-Cerberus - Eviscerator, Harrier, Hornet,  Mattock, Phalanx, Raptor, Talon

Human: Talon Mercenary
- Mercenary - Carnifex, Vindicator, Viper, Wraith

Krogan: Adept, Sentinel, Soldier and Vanguard
- Blood Pack Mercenary - Claymore, Executioner, Graal Spike Thrower, Punisher, Scimitar
- Krogan Military - Claymore, Graal Spike Thrower, Striker
- Mercenary - Carnifex, Claymore, Graal Spike Thrower, Vindicator, Viper, Wraith

Krogan: Warlord
- Warlord - Claymore, Graal Spike Thrower, Striker

Quarian: Engineer, Infiltator, Male Engineer, Male Infiltator and Marksman
- Quarian Military - Adas Anti-Synthetic Rifle, Arc Pistol, Reegar Carbine

Salarian: Engineer and Infiltator
- Council Spectre - Scorpion, Venom
- C-Sec Officer -  Argus, Paladin
- Eclipse Mercenary - Carnifex, Scimitar, Tempest
- Mercenary - Carnifex, Vindicator, Viper, Wraith
- Salarian Military - Scorpion, Venom
- Salarian STG - Scorpion, Venom

Turian: Sentinel and Soldier
- Blue Suns Mercenary - Vindicator
- Council Spectre - Krysae, Phaeston
- C-Sec Officer - Argus, Incisor, Paladin
- Mercenary - Carnifex, Vindicator, Viper, Wraith
- Turian Military - Incisor, Krysae, Phaeston

Turian: Cabal, Ghost, Havoc and Saboteur
- Turian Military - Incisor, Krysae, Phaeston

Volus: Adept, Engineer, Mercenary and Protector
- Volus Military -

Vorcha: Hunter, Sentinel and Soldier
- Blood Pack Mercenary - Executioner, Punisher, Scimitar
- Mercenary - Carnifex, Vindicator, Viper, Wraith


Currently unassigned weapons: Indra, Lancer, Particle Rifle, Revenant, Widow

I like your more general builds, should have the flexibility to create high powered kits while still retaining a role playing element. I think I'll edit this list into the second post, and give credit of course. My suggestions for the unused weapons would be: Lancer is perfect for BF3 Human, PPR can go with Collector series, Revenant matches with Krogan and Batarians, the Indra seems to fit the Turian and Human militaries, and the Widow would go to Asari snipers since there isn't a playable cerberus sniper.

[David Diablo]

The builds you suggested look quite interesting to try as a team. It's also an excuse to use weapons I would normally never use. This game gets so boring now sometimes that it would be nice to try different things to spice things up.
Thanks Miss Amanda! 

[MissAmanda]

You're welcome David

Yeah, some of the kits would only be silver viable for the average player, but most of them should be competent at gold. It is important to have a good team however because if you're using weapons that don't maximize dps, it makes strategy and tactics that much more important. It's easy to forget that even weapons that often get overlooked are still effective for certain roles. You just need teammates that won't wipe and leave you tickling a banshee with a raptor, lol.

Modifié par MissAmanda, 17 décembre 2013 - 06:46 .

[David Diablo]

MissAmanda wrote...

You're welcome David

Yeah, some of the kits would only be silver viable for the average player, but most of them should be competent at gold. It is important to have a good team however because if you're using weapons that don't maximize dps, it makes strategy and tactics that much more important. It's easy to forget that even weapons that often get overlooked are still effective for certain roles. You just need teammates that won't wipe and leave you tickling a banshee with a raptor, lol.

Don't worry! I play with people as crazy as myself that they would probably be willing to try it on platinum!  

Nowadays, gold is becoming so easy for a full group that it's nice to find fun ways to nerf yourself. I'm not sure if it has crossed your mind, but you could make role play builds for a whole team, to reflect certain battles or enemy factions in the Mass Effect universe. Is it something you would be willing to try?

[Derpy]

The widow, based on it's history in MEU could be used on a GI.

[Creator Limbs]

What makes these not platinum-viable?

[David Diablo]

prostheticlimbs wrote...

What makes these not platinum-viable?

95% of the player base... 

Modifié par David Diablo, 17 décembre 2013 - 07:20 .

[MissAmanda]

Hmm, you mean like a Warlord, Krogan Soldier, Vorcha Engineer, and Vorcha Soldier for a Blood Pack squad? Could be fun to list some of those tonight.

And yeah, it's been established that any kit, any build, and any weapon are platinum viable for elite players... But not everybody is an elite player. Some weapons do less damage and are harder to use than others. I don't want anybody to assume that my list, made for fun, will magically make them better. If you haven't had success on gold or platinum with something other than Turian ghosts and harriers... then please don't grab a volus merc with carnifex and be surprised when you die repeatedly

[David Diablo]

MissAmanda wrote...

Hmm, you mean like a Warlord, Krogan Soldier, Vorcha Engineer, and Vorcha Soldier for a Blood Pack squad? Could be fun to list some of those tonight.

And yeah, it's been established that any kit, any build, and any weapon are platinum viable for elite players... But not everybody is an elite player. Some weapons do less damage and are harder to use than others. I don't want anybody to assume that my list, made for fun, will magically make them better. If you haven't had success on gold or platinum with something other than Turian ghosts and harriers... then please don't grab a volus merc with carnifex and be surprised when you die repeatedly

Exactly. Looking forward to seeing your results and I'll be keepin an eye out for this one... 

[Creator Limbs]

I'm hardly an elite player and I could still do ok enough on plat with these setups.