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[Maxster_]

[quote]Valkyre4 wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]Valkyre4 wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]Valkyre4 wrote...

Oh please... now we are retarded? Come on seriously how far does your hate come ffs? Why is it that I did not understand the oh so complicated ending while your higher intelligence does. PLease cut the BS

Direct quotes from the "starchild"

"Catalyst : you have hope, more than you think. the fact that you are standing HERE, the FIRST organic EVER PROVES it. But it also proves my solution WONT WORK ANYMORE."
Shepard : Why you telling me this? Why help me
Catalyst : You have ALTERED the variables.

if you really cant think out of the box what the catalyst means by this dialogue, dont call out on people that they "didnt get the ending". The catalyst realises that his solution is not as perfect as he thought it was. And the reason for that is Shepard actions throughout the trilogy PLUS the docking with the citadel yes. But mostly it was Shepards actions, the fact that he united the galaxy like no1 ever did before. I think its pretty much self explanatory...





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Sure.
And instead of just leaving(with reapers), or killing himself and reapers at nearest star - he forces Shepard to accept his insanity, threating Shepard with genocide of everyone.
Seem legit.

And especially great was the message. Peace is only possible by 1) killing the opposing side 2) subjugating both sides 3) forced homogenization and brainwashing.


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Docking with the crucible has changed the way the "starchild" interracts with the reapers... that was the whole point of it and that is what the starchild actually tells you. Not per se, but it is a no brainer from the whole discussion. Also the Levaithan DLC pretty much suggests that the Reapers are not incommon in doing things as they see fit, hence why they killed their creators. The starchild had no control over the reapers once the crucible was docked.
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Nonsense, of course.

1. Crucible can not exist. It can not be designed and can not be built.
Someone designed an unknown device with unknown function, which should interface with another unknown device, with unknown interface, unknown function, unknown location, unconfirmed existence, and even need of it?
Please
No one could ever design that device, because first thing they lose after reapers attack, is the Citadel and mass relay network; and before reapers attack - no one ever knew about Citadel being master control unit of the relay network, and relay into dark space.

2. Supposed "creators"(it can not be created) of Crucible have no idea about Catalyst's existence. Sure, magical device, that changes something it's designers have no idea it even exists?
Riiight.
Logic? Never heard of it.

3. And of course, Catalyst is an unshackled AI. Not some program with no self-awareness, - otherwise, you are saying, that Leviathans programmed it to destroy themselves and their minions(displaying themselves as an utter idiots for a third time).
And as sentient being, it could change it's task, which it did, when started cycles.
Thus - he can end that war, given enough persuation(by force or by arguments). But, he is obviously insane.
He won the war, and can't be argued against by design. So he forces Shepard to an unconditional surrender to his insanity.


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[quote]Tron Mega wrote...

because
of what was promised. because of the BSN saying "dont worry, ME2 is
only the middle. ME3 will fill in the holes! bioware knows what they
are doing!" because ME1 was SO GOD DAMNED GOOD!!!!! how can ME3 possibly
be anything less then an average game???? how is that possible. its not like bioware released a game that wouldnt have an A, B, C ending, when in fact they did. oopsie daisies, i guess.

bioware just proved me right with ME3. they simply dont make games i like.

i bought the game for the wrong reasons. ive learned my lesson with bioware.

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How in the name of Fack, was ME1 SO GOD DAMNED GOOD??? Seriously some people are simply doing exactly what I am talking about here... They just about try and find 23082038202 reasons to hate ME3, while ME1 was just about perfect ignoring everything ugly there was....

and there was UGLY **** in ME1... oh yes there was... an awesome game, but a very very flawed game...

where to begin really?

a) The leveling system.... oh my god now the so called "rpg elements".... look you can lvl up 0,3% your ability... sounds awesome no? Glad Bioware cut that crap and now with each lvl you actually FEEL like you lvl up and see a difference in your character abilities and powers.
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Sure, an RPG being an RPG is ... bad. Because reasons.
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The shooting... it was needless to say sub par... both in terms of the actual calibration of the shooting element, the feel of the weapons, the poor covering system etc.
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Doesn't matters. RPG is not about combat, it is not driving mechanics. Dialogue is.
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c) The inventory... probably the worst inventory in any RPG  I have ever played. And I have played a lot.
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Even good games have their flaws.
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d) Oh look at all those rifles that look exactly the same and have different colors (remind you of something?)
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Don't see any problem with that.
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e) ME1 is HUGE.... look at all those amazing barren planets with the EXACT SAME bunkers you have to do over and over and over and over and over AND OVER again.... amazing variety NO?
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Of course, it could be better. But different skies - that was awesome. Sense of exploration, which completely removed, for no reason.
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f) Male Shepard sounds like a transistor in ME1
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??
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g) Ehhh.... Mako..... ehh... yeah.... :/
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Mako was one of the best things in ME series. It needed only some fixing, not removal.
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And lots more if I continue nitpicking ike crazy....
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Pathetic.
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Seriously you need to actually try and be a little bit more objective and fair for a change... I am not saying that you should like the ending of ME3, I am just saying you have nitpicked the fack out of this game to the point that it really doesnt make sense anymore...
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ME3 is garbage, horribly written, and badly designed. And bugs... lot of bugs.

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good job proving just how pathetic this community has become. Good job trying to justify just about any shortcomings or plotholes the other games in the series have (Lazarus Project,
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That is ME2, with it's nonsensical story. Garbage writing, yes.
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Sarren having a dreadnaught type of ship with high profile persons on board and yet no1 knows anything,
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What? How would anyone know? Saren registered Sovereing as a property when he discovered it?
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or suspects anything about it,
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So, Sovereign openly shows only at Eden Prime. Is there is any reason to suspect anything? Well, except Saren is a cold-blooded assassin, but that's no secret, some Council's Spectres are like that.

[quote]or When Sarren full on facial reaper tech[/quote]
Implants and cybernetic augmentations is a common thing in MEU.
And what is a "reaper tech". Implants and augmentations having a label saying "This is an technology of a ancient machines called Reapers, who will kill you all"?
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talks to the council and yet no1 even wonders what has happened to his face)
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Or maybe he was that way for years?
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and just about hate everything ME3 related.
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Well, ME3 is a plothole-ridden garbage right from intro, so what'd you expect?
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Also good job proving that you are the kind of individual that cannot express his opinion or his disagreement with someone else without resorting to irony, insults and the like.
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Insults? Where?
Or maybe you confused my description of ME3's horrible writing, with a personal insult directed at you?

In comparison to "polite statements" of yours, no less.
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Oh please... now we are retarded? Come on seriously how far does
your hate come ffs? Why is it that I did not understand the oh so
complicated ending while your higher intelligence does. PLease cut the
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:lol:

[JedTed]

Your not alone OP, while i was disappointed with the original ending i felt the EC expanded on it enough that i'm now okay with it.

[NoGround94]

I tend to avoid every single topic that Maxter goes into, mainly because he's so against ME, but still tends to come flame on the forums claiming that the series is "plothole-ridden garbage." There are some very BASIC themese about the story that very few people tend to understand, as all well-written stories should have. These themes are along the lines of tolerance, co-existence, and acceptance.

So, Maxter_, I'd like you to say exactly where there are plotholes in the ME3 story. I want to point out one condition, that none of these plotholes be outside Shepards realm of experience; basically, did you get the Shepard's complete story?

The Mass Effect Trilogy is not the story of the universe.  You will not see every single nook and crany in these three games, because the Trilogy is Shepard's story ALONE. I have read the comics, read the books, played the other games for supporting characters, and have, in my opinion, gotten as much of the Mass Effect universe during Shepard's story as possible. I will tell you right now, if you want all the answers, you need to go beyond the games. So, when you make a claim like this one:

Maxster_ wrote...

Well, ME3 is a plothole-ridden garbage right from intro, so what'd you expect?

it is all too apparent that you have no idea what your talking about. Why don't you go ask the senior writer and director yourself if you hate the game so much. Just because you didn't like the ending does NOT mean that the entire game itself is horrible. 

Exclude the ending for JUST a minute, and take a look at the rest of the game. As a whole, do you go with Shepard on his journey to unite the galaxy? Do you succeed? Maybe. Do YOU experience the entire Trilogy from Shepard's perspective alone? yes. You cannot get all the answers from a single perspective, even if that perspective is at the center of everything. You do not call "not having all the answers" plotholes. Get it straight or get out.

[dsl08002]

no all the joy i felt playing the Citadel DLC was swept away after i went through the terrible ending again.

[NoGround94]

dsl08002 wrote...

no all the joy i felt playing the Citadel DLC was swept away after i went through the terrible ending again.

Then separate the two. Find ways to enjoy the game without the experience of the ending. Why the hell would you ruin it for yourself if you KNOW you don't like the ending. Please dear god stop complaining.



That goes to everyone who still thinks the ending is bad. Install MEHEM and stop complaining.

@Maxter_: Do you really have nothing better to do than complain and attempt to prove biased opinions to try and make them facts? Do you have any idea how much that is not going to change anything? Go try and write a better story if you think the story is poorly written. Try to live up to Frank Herbert's Dune or Bioware's Mass Effect. Go ahead, I doubt you can. You have NO RIGHT to be a critic here.

NOTICE: I am not critiquing the game myself, so don't try and bring my opinions into it, because they are non-existent here. I am talking about your opinions. And I'm telling you that your opinions are so emotion-based that you have no right to base those as a critique of ME3. That actually goes for most of the people here.

I have thought about this game and it's universe objectively, and so can clearly and accurately explain why I do not mind the ending and why I feel like the writing for the game is complete. If you would like to hear those, ask, but if you're going to flame me for my thoughts, then you will not get anything out of me. My thoughts are not to be flamed, they will not change based on anything you bring up, unless you bring up points that are clearly backed by a clear thought process that has thought objectively about what has happened.

The more I see arguments about this ending, the more I think it compares controversy of the ending of Code Geass, which is still in controversy today, several years after its release.

Modifié par NoGround94, 08 mars 2013 - 04:55 .

[Maxster_]

NoGround94 wrote...

I tend to avoid every single topic that Maxter goes into, mainly because he's so against ME, but still tends to come flame on the forums claiming that the series is "plothole-ridden garbage." There are some very BASIC themese about the story that very few people tend to understand, as all well-written stories should have. These themes are along the lines of tolerance, co-existence, and acceptance.

Sure.
"Without us to stop it, synthetics will destroy all organics" - "tolerance".
"We created cycles, so that never happens" - "co-existance". Everyone is dead - problem solved.

Forced cyborgization and brainwashing - peace is only possible through homogenization - "acceptance".

So, Maxter_, I'd like you to say exactly where there are plotholes in the ME3 story. I want to point out one condition, that none of these plotholes be outside Shepards realm of experience; basically, did you get the Shepard's complete story?

Simple.
Reapers arrival - destroys overarching series plot. Reapers just sat in dark space for thousands of years of Sovereign's machinations, when they could just fly into a galaxy in 0.5-3 years, losing completely nothing in the process.
Crucible, which can not be designed and can not be built.
Cerberus Empire - butchering of common sense.
3 major glaring plotholes, right at the start of that crap.

The Mass Effect Trilogy is not the story of the universe.  You will not see every single nook and crany in these three games, because the Trilogy is Shepard's story ALONE. I have read the comics, read the books, played the other games for supporting characters, and have, in my opinion, gotten as much of the Mass Effect universe during Shepard's story as possible. I will tell you right now, if you want all the answers, you need to go beyond the games. So, when you make a claim like this one:

Maxster_ wrote...

Well, ME3 is a plothole-ridden garbage right from intro, so what'd you expect?

it is all too apparent that you have no idea what your talking about. Why don't you go ask the senior writer and director yourself if you hate the game so much. Just because you didn't like the ending does NOT mean that the entire game itself is horrible. 

So pathetic.
ME3 is a horrible written garbage, it's nonsensical story turns every character involved into mindless mumbling idiot.

Exclude the ending for JUST a minute, and take a look at the rest of the game. As a whole, do you go with Shepard on his journey to unite the galaxy? Do you succeed? Maybe. Do YOU experience the entire Trilogy from Shepard's perspective alone? yes. You cannot get all the answers from a single perspective, even if that perspective is at the center of everything. You do not call "not having all the answers" plotholes. Get it straight or get out.

I know that you are incapable of debating.
There is no sensible answer for a Deus ex Plothole plot mocking device called the Crucible. There is no sensible answer for a Cerberus empire, which is butchering of common sense.
And there is no excuse for nullifying it's prequels.

NoGround94 wrote...

dsl08002 wrote...

no all the joy i felt playing the Citadel DLC was swept away after i went through the terrible ending again.

Then
separate the two. Find ways to enjoy the game without the experience of
the ending. Why the hell would you ruin it for yourself if you KNOW you
don't like the ending. Please dear god stop complaining.

Butthurt much?

That goes to everyone who still thinks the ending is bad. Install MEHEM and stop complaining.

MEHEM removes a major plothole(Catalyst) from endgame, but it doesn't make Prioity:Earth not a plothole-ridden nonsensical garbage, unfortunately. Or entire ME3 for that matter.
This, of course, is not a fault of mod creator, - to make something sensible from that plothole-ridden garbage(ME3), you need to remake entire game. Which is not possible.

@Maxter_: Do you really have nothing better to do than complain and attempt to prove biased opinions to
try and make them facts? Do you have any idea how much that is not
going to change anything? Go try and write a better story if you think
the story is poorly written. Try to live up to Frank Herbert's Dune or Bioware's Mass Effect. Go ahead, I doubt you can. You have NO RIGHT to be a critic here.

NOTICE: I am not critiquing the game myself, so don't try and bring my opinions into it, because they are non-existent here. I am talking about your opinions. And I'm telling you that your opinions are so emotion-based that you have no right to base those as a critique of ME3. That actually goes for most of the people here.

I
have thought about this game and it's universe objectively, and so can
clearly and accurately explain why I do not mind the ending and why
I feel like the writing for the game is complete. If you would like to
hear those, ask, but if you're going to flame me for my thoughts, then
you will not get anything out of me. My thoughts are not to be flamed,
they will not change based on anything you bring up, unless you bring up
points that are clearly backed by a clear thought process that has
thought objectively about what has happened.

The more I see
arguments about this ending, the more I think it compares controversy of
the ending of Code Geass, which is still in controversy today, several
years after its release.

Pathetic.
You deliberately used logical fallacy "Appeal to accomplishment", and you now saying something about "unless you bring up
points that are clearly backed by a clear thought process that has
thought objectively about what has happened"?
Discussions doesn't work that way, demagogue. You are in no position, to make such claims.

Modifié par Maxster_, 14 mars 2013 - 05:32 .

[N7 Banshee Bait]

I completed it again the other night & absolutely loved the Control ending. I used to always pick synthesis but now I'm going with control.

[NoGround94]

 Maxter_ GO SOMEWHERE. Your constant idiotic rambling is proving nothing to anyone. Like I said, you have nothing better to do than use a bias opinion to support bias claims.
Why the **** are you even on BSN if you hate the game so much? Is your life that pathetic that you need to say the word pathetic to everyone that has a different opinion about the ending than you.

And in that whole humongous post that took up, probably, way too much time, you didn't state anything that could be considered an actual plothole.

Why can't the Crucible be built? Your claim is baseless.
Darkspace is vast. And yes, it did take the reapers 3 years to fly in from darkspace. Sovereign's plan was an even faster takeover and would cause complete and total chaos with no chance of resistance from the rest of the galaxy. This was explained in ME1 -____-
There was never a Cerberus Empire. Wtf kind of claim is that? Where in hell did you pull that from? The dark recesses of your ass? Because that's where most of the stuff that spews out of your mouth comes from.

The concept of the Crucible was explained... pretty easily... at the beginning of the game, and if you actually read the Dark Horse comics you find out how Liara comes across the plans for the Crucible.

Like I said, you don't have enough material to argue with me. Your insults are an attempt to hide your idiotic rambling that you claim is the base of all the writing for Mass Effect. No one here is more pathetic than you are.

[Maxster_]

NoGround94 wrote...

 Maxter_ GO SOMEWHERE. Your constant idiotic rambling is proving nothing to anyone. Like I said, you have nothing better to do than use a bias opinion to support bias claims.

Said by person who constantly and deliberately uses obvious logical fallacies as arguments.
So credible, it hurts.

Why the **** are you even on BSN if you hate the game so much? Is your life that pathetic that you need to say the word pathetic to everyone that has a different opinion about the ending than you.

To annoy you. It is fun, when some butthurt fanboy wiggling, unable to counter any points and resorting to primitive demagogy.

And in that whole humongous post that took up, probably, way too much time, you didn't state anything that could be considered an actual plothole.

Lol.

Why can't the Crucible be built? Your claim is baseless.

1. It can not be designed.
Because first thing every cycle loses is the Citadel and relay network. And before reapers attack, no one ever knew that Citadel is a relay to dark space, and a master control unit of the relay network.
And Crucible uses master control unit - therefore, whoever designed it, must have had full knowledge of the relay technology, must know about Citadel being a master control unit of the relay network, and thus - be aware of reapers threat and Catalyst's existence in advance.
So we have either all cycles were utter morons, for having information about reapers threat, and doing nothing about it - or Crucible just magically appeared out of nowhere.
2. It can not be passed through cycles.
One of most idiotic idea of ME3. Either every cycle, blueprints of the Crucible magically appearing right after reapers invasion, or we had a countless cycles of morons sending plans for a device without any information about reapers threat.
3. It can not be modified. Engineering does not work that way. You do not modify an unknown device you have no idea how it works, or what it does.
4. There is no reason for blueprints to appear in Mars research station.

So yes, it is just a nonsensical asspull.

Darkspace is vast. And yes, it did take the reapers 3 years to fly in from darkspace. Sovereign's plan was an even faster takeover and would cause complete and total chaos with no chance of resistance from the rest of the galaxy. This was explained in ME1 -____-

Bwahahaha.
So, Reapers just sat there waiting for thousands of years of Sovereign machinations, because if they arrived in full force before Rachni Wars, there would be no total chaos.
Riight :lol::lol:
That was one of the most idiotic excuses i've read on BSN.
Of course, in reality, in ME1 reapers were trapped in dark space - and that was entire reason for Sovereign to attack the Citadel. There is no need for his machinations, there is no reason for him to act at all, otherwise.
And in your nonsensical headcanon, reapers just sat for thousands of years because derp.


And of course, there were the Catalyst, which could open relay at any time. But that's related to an eding.

There was never a Cerberus Empire. Wtf kind of claim is that? Where in hell did you pull that from? The dark recesses of your ass? Because that's where most of the stuff that spews out of your mouth comes from.

Sure.
An organisation of 150 employees, in a six months, turns into a vast army, with a numerous fleets, bases everywhere and unlimited financial and human resources. Riight
Logic? Common sense? No, never heard of it.

The concept of the Crucible was explained... pretty easily... at the beginning of the game, and if you actually read the Dark Horse comics you find out how Liara comes across the plans for the Crucible.

Bwahaha.
Sure.
"-Why does this pig fly?
-Because this is a flying pig."

Like I said, you don't have enough material to argue with me.

Said by person who haven't provided any material, and failed to debunk even a single point. So credible

Your insults are an attempt to hide your idiotic rambling that you claim is the base of all the writing for Mass Effect. No one here is more pathetic than you are.

Sure, you didn't liked when i demonstrated logical fallacies, which you used as arguments.
That's understandable.
For a person, who is completely unable to debate

[Holger1405]

ConanTheLeader wrote...

 Maybe most gamers feel the ending is not tailored enough to their specific playthrough details but it did a good job regardless in my opinion, really loved it, the whole trilogy and the ending.

There is nothing left to be added.

[J4mes]

Turn the OP into a Husk so we can gooify it.