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[NoGround94]

mvaning wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

NoGround94 wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...

To be honest, if you've ONLY JUST finished the trilogy for the first time, you haven't developed a bond to the game and the characters like we have.

We're unsatisifed with what we were left with for many reasons; for me personally it's still lack of closure to the game and its characters.

<---- 3 times complete. Still like the ending. Probably due to my open-mindedness and the many many hours I've thought and researched this series. Thinking philosophically helps too. I feel bad if you can't find closure. Good luck.

lol this is so funny.

the game is already closed minded if it requires you to have an open
mind to find closure with the ending.     Or maybe it doesn't require
an open mind.  Maybe, just MAYBE, it's something called personal
preference.  And, just MAYBE it takes an open mind to understand that
people have different preferences. 

That oh so sly insult. Please, PLEASE take a look at my other posts. I'm very respectful of personal preferences, but personal preferences are not going to change what has already happened, which is why I state "Good Luck" with finding closure. This has nothing to do with opinion of the endings, it has to do with how you handle what has been given to you. You can change it with the MEHEM, or you can sit and whine and complain and not change it even though you don't like it. There is an option for people who want Shepard to survive, and if you want to use that, go RIGHT ahead. That's your personal preference, and I will not insult anyone who wants a different ending.

If you want a different ending, that's what you want, and I'll respect that. So yes, I have an open mind and understand that people have personal preferences, so don't attempt to insult me.

[jpraelster93]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Stop right there with the minority talk! BSN represents a veeeery biased portion of the fanbase. While you might well be in the minority on this site (though even then, it's hard to say), it's completely unknown if you're in the minority of total players.

That being said, I've found that most people enjoy the EC if it's their first experience with the endings. Glad you enjoyed it.

It is PROVEN through various surveys on multiple websites the people that like the ending are the minority

[Cobalt2113]

jpraelster93 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Stop right there with the minority talk! BSN represents a veeeery biased portion of the fanbase. While you might well be in the minority on this site (though even then, it's hard to say), it's completely unknown if you're in the minority of total players.

That being said, I've found that most people enjoy the EC if it's their first experience with the endings. Glad you enjoyed it.

It is PROVEN through various surveys on multiple websites the people that like the ending are the minority

No, it isn't. Stop making things up.

Polls show the Pro-enders are a minority on BSN but that is all. Evey other larger vote has shown quite the opposite (game of the year votes for instance). The largest survey that I know of was the Collaborative EC survey.

www.mediafire.com/view/

I suggest you turn your attention to figure 10 and you'll see just how wrong your assertion is. More people like the EC endings than those who don't. Which gave it a 7.1 average rating in the end. Hell, I just put it here too so everyone can see...

[fr33stylez]

Valkyre4 wrote...

Τhe Catalyst is not a Reaper. Hence he cant be a "reaper king". The catalyst is an A.I. a program that controls the reapers. That A.I. was tasked to find a solution to the pattern that kept repeating itself countless cycles. The A.I. considered the particular solution and indeed it was the perfect solution until the cycle of shepard where everything changes and an AI is presented with a different outcome for the first time.

For the first time the galaxy is truly united, for the first time organics and synthetics are joining forces and are not in war. And for the first time all this was possible because of shepard. That makes the AI question its original solution. The most common missconception -imho- I see on this board concerning the "logic" of Reapers, is that people are trying to compare the logic of an organic with the logic of a synthetic. That is completely wrong in my opinion. An AI, is bound by vastly different processing of "logic". Every single encounter with Legion, EDI or other AIs pretty much confirms this throughout the entire trilogy, yet people ignore it and think that a Reaper should be thinking as a human being...

This AI, the catalyst, realises that while its solution might have been 99,9999999999999999% correct, that 0,00000000000001% of a mistake, of a different outcome, of the Shepard outcome, is enough to make it question that very solution. Hence it wants to present / find a new solution that is for the first time presented due to the completion of the crucible and the connection it establishes with the citadel.

I don't think you understand the ending at all, which in your case  probably helps in your satisfaction with the ending.

The Catalyst doesn't question its solution because the galaxy is united or because organics and synthetics are not in war. Quite the opposite, as the Catalyst reaffirms its belief to Shepard that organics and synthetics will always fight, which will lead to the destruction of organics. It was the docking of the Crucible was the only thing  that allowed 'new possibilites' in place of the harvest cycle.

The Catalyst could care less about the fact that organics and synthetics get along (which is one of the biggest complaints from players). The Catalyst also never questioned if its solution is correct, I'm not sure where you're getting this from. You should really play the ending again to absorb some of the ridiculousness of the ending.

[Maxster_]

Valkyre4 wrote...

jstme wrote...

Valkyre4 wrote...
Sometimes I wonder if all your (and that "your" is not directed specifically to you just to be clear, it might even not be directed to you at all if you are not one of those folks) extreme hatred is blinding you from several things, or you just pretend that you dont know the real thing.
Right now you bring the all boring argument of colors... yeah thats right, the colors is the problem. Then you speak of the catalyst as the "Reaper King" who "demands" sacrifice.
Seriously? The Catalyst is the Reaper King? Since when? Is that what you understood? And how come self sacrifice is not your choice and it is his?
Look I also respect people's opinions that they dont like the endings but all this HATRED is overkill and it leads to some seriously overreacting comments. Its like people are trying so much to dissect every single thing about ME3 and turn it into a bad mess. It is sad really.
Meanwhile everyone says how awesome ME1 was and how amazingly perfect its dialogue was, while I believe ME1 dialogue was quite ridiculous (and the VA was pretty bad) at certain moments.
All in all I see double standards all over the place. ME1 gets away with everything ****ty that it had, but hey, lets crusify ME3 for just about EVERYTHING there is to be.
Sorry, but i consider this sad. :/
I am not saying you should like the game or its endings, but this has gone waaaaaay overboard already.

Crucify for everyting? Hardly.
In my opinion Tuchanka arch in ME3 is easily the best one in the entore trilogy. Humor bits in ME3 are best in trilogy, and given desperate depressive theme of the game it is an amazing achievment. Squad is more alive. Combat is a bit improved.
Multiplayer is actually nice. Oh,and ME1 has lots of flaws and i still admire the game.
But that awfull ME3 ending ruins it all for me. Worst part -it ruins not only last game but entire trilogy. Without MEHEM i could not touch it. So personally - hate for ME3 endings is not overkill. 
Call Catalyst (mr i created reapers,i control reapers they are my solution) whatever you like - Intelligence,AI,Leviathan offspring or whatever - you have to choose how to sacrifice yourself and others from short list of carefully designed forced horrible solutions that it presents to you in order to stop its previous solution.
Mordin sacrifice is epic. He wants to redeeem himself for role in genophage, nobody convinces or forces him. Actually you can try to convince or try to force him not to commit sacrifice. 
Shepard sacrifice is because Catalyst tells her/him to choose a way to commit suicide so it can look like a sacrifice. No way around it. Symbolism does not change it. Catalyst is creator of reaper solution, it is responsible for all those cycle. It openly says that it operates due to certain motives. It cannot be seen as some kind of neutral objective info dump that informs Shepard of a situation and now he/she must make a sacrifice to solve this situation.

For whatever reason, if what is being talked about the endings ONE YEAR after the release of the game, by some fans, is not considered OVERKILL, then i dont know what is...

Plus you keep spinning that "shepard is forced to sacrifice himself" no he is not forced. He can say fack you to the catalyst and enjoy the most retarded -yet realistic- ending of all time. It is your choice how the Reapers -ie your original goal since the first game- are dealt with. It is your choice if you want to control them, if you want to destroy them , if you want to become one with them, synthesis, or just say "screw it" and simply do nothing.

That is called "unconditional surrender". Allied forces were completely defeated, and Shepard was forced to accept terms of an insane entity(which was created by insane idiots, Leviathans).

It is overkill all this thing around the endings. Ive read so many stupid things (not saying what you say is stupid) but people think that Bioware is writing some kind of personnal script for each and everyone of them out there...

Well they are not. And people should start dealing with the fact that if they dont like the ending they should really give it a god damned rest already... I dont think anything in ANY form of media has been scrutinized so much.

ME3 is poorly written garbage, which nullifies it's prequels. Horrible writing and bad design started to be noticeable right at the intro.
And of course, EAWare is uncapable to write branching narrative and consistent and coherent endings, in contrast to, for example, CDPR, or Obsidian.

ME3 had in its entirety, the best missions out of all ME. (minus the final mission which was lackluster) ME3 had the best combat of all the games, it also had immensly well done fan service, via dialogues, mentions, trivia, easter eggs etc.

Sure, combat is all that ME3 did good, other was pure garbage. And i don't care for combat.
Dialogues was mostly horrible, due to Crucible nonsense, most intelligent and great characters became mumbling idiots, and fanservice was a crap like Citadel coup, when one of the most realistic characters was completely assassinated to pander to some kids.

It also received support and respect towards fan feedback by releasing the extended cut which actually close a lot of those supposed "plotholes" that people thought was impossible to address (omg how did they go? omg shepard killed the entire galaxy", omg they starved to death etc etc...) and it provided a better closure.

Obvious false statement.
EC actually added more plotholes, like for example evacuation scene, and crucible suddenly becoming battery. Among other crappy writing.
Major plotholes wasn't even touched. Like Crucible(which is pure nonsense, and can not exist; and everyone involved with that crucible plot, immediately becomes a retard), Cerberus Empire(which makes no sense), reapers arrival(which nullifies prequels), and Catalyst(which also nullifies prequels, this time more clearly).

And yet people still hate so much this game that i find it extremely ridiculous. Meanwhile Skyrim is considered an rpg more so than Mass Effect, because oh.. look there are skills and alchemy's and lots of levels and power as if ROLE PLAYING GAME is about that kind of stuff and not about choices, actions and consequences... + it has a pathetic storyline and ending. Yet... game of the year!

Skyrim is a different kind of rpg. Fallout New Vegas(which is somewhat similar kind), imo, is much better.
And of course, Witcher series are far superior to ME3, both of them.

Sorry but this double standard is just not fair. For whatever reasons you may not like the ending, saying that the entire trilogy is completely utterly destroyed is the definition of exaggeration. Bioware created a beautiful sci fi universe and you guys have indeed... "crucified".

There is no double standarts from your opponents.
And plainly false statements from you, like EC closed all plotholes. When in reality, it just added more.

Modifié par Maxster_, 03 mars 2013 - 02:15 .

[mvaning]

NoGround94 wrote...

mvaning wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

NoGround94 wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...

To be honest, if you've ONLY JUST finished the trilogy for the first time, you haven't developed a bond to the game and the characters like we have.

We're unsatisifed with what we were left with for many reasons; for me personally it's still lack of closure to the game and its characters.

<---- 3 times complete. Still like the ending. Probably due to my open-mindedness and the many many hours I've thought and researched this series. Thinking philosophically helps too. I feel bad if you can't find closure. Good luck.

lol this is so funny.

the game is already closed minded if it requires you to have an open
mind to find closure with the ending.     Or maybe it doesn't require
an open mind.  Maybe, just MAYBE, it's something called personal
preference.  And, just MAYBE it takes an open mind to understand that
people have different preferences. 

That oh so sly insult. Please, PLEASE take a look at my other posts. I'm very respectful of personal preferences, but personal preferences are not going to change what has already happened, which is why I state "Good Luck" with finding closure. This has nothing to do with opinion of the endings, it has to do with how you handle what has been given to you. You can change it with the MEHEM, or you can sit and whine and complain and not change it even though you don't like it. There is an option for people who want Shepard to survive, and if you want to use that, go RIGHT ahead. That's your personal preference, and I will not insult anyone who wants a different ending.

If you want a different ending, that's what you want, and I'll respect that. So yes, I have an open mind and understand that people have personal preferences, so don't attempt to insult me.

Maybe you took it as an insult but it certainly wasn't my intention.   It seemed to me like you were implying that personal preference is somehow related to being open minded and I disagree with this.

EDIT:  If I wanted to insult you, I would just call you fat and hairy.    In which case, I would just be insulting myself. 

Modifié par mvaning, 03 mars 2013 - 02:31 .

[jpraelster93]

Modifié par jpraelster93, 03 mars 2013 - 02:42 .

[SiriusXI]

ConanTheLeader wrote...

 I quite enjoyed the ending that I was shown upon completing Mass Effect 3 last night. I did not expect it to be bad, before I had ever played the first Mass Effect I heard lots of fans crying out against the default ending. The result was the extended cut ending that was meant to address these genuine issues fans had raised but I find it odd after searching the forum for the past couple of hours that fans are still quite unhappy.

I loved it, but wonder why I feel as if I could be in the minority. I doubt it is length, the extended cut offers a long ending that is longer than what most RPGs provide such as Skyrim or Final Fantasy XIII. I got the "destroy" ending that showed live continuing without the Reapers and Shepherd surviving and I had over 7000 war assets and 100% galaxy readiness rating. Maybe most gamers feel the ending is not tailored enough to their specific playthrough details but it did a good job regardless in my opinion, really loved it, the whole trilogy and the ending.

I just wish Citadel were post game DLC, showing Shepherd returning to public and charting the restoration of Citadel. I felt it would be more appropriate for a "Final send off" DLC to let us play out the epilogue.

Well:

1. You beat it with EC, which tries to "fix" a lot of the minor plotholes of the original endings, plus it is a lot longer, so the ending does not seem as abrupt as before.

2. The ending is still out of place. A deus ex machina solution like this is in it self pretty weak, plus the three options are all different war crimes that need to be committed o ensure peace.
a) Control: Space dictatorship with Führer Shepard and his Reaper-Army to force peace.
Destroy: Destroying all Synthetic Life fo ensure peace.
c) Synthesis: Creating a new DNA, so everyone basically is genetically identical and therefore we have peace (which is nonsense)

3. Sythesis, the "best" option was not forshadowed enough. Yeah, there were some small hints here and there, but Control and Destroy the Reapers were a central theme in ME2 & especially 3. Synthesis just comes out of nowhere. Plus it's science, how it actually works, is not explained well enoug (this is not Dragon Age, where we can just accept "Magic")


I still think all the ending complaints are valid. But if you enjoied it... good 4 u, I guess...

[Cobalt2113]

jpraelster93 wrote...

Wow that's some massive confirmation bias they have going on in that video. Funny how they sourced the same survey as I did yet focused on the Indoctrination theory question instead of the question that is actually about the reception of the ending. Which is the one I posted.

They're right about one thing though. Numbers don't lie.

So let's have another look at that graph I posted. Pay particular attention to the Extended Ending part. That is the purple line. Though it's hard to get the exact numbers we can get very close.

People who scored it a 9: 1800
People who scored it 1-4: 1250 (roughly)

Seriously I don't know how anyone could've looked at that graph and thought ending haters were in the majority. The people who gave it a 9 alone already outnumber the haters. Let alone those that gave it 7, 8 or 10.

[NoGround94]

mvaning wrote...


Maybe you took it as an insult but it certainly wasn't my intention.   It seemed to me like you were implying that personal preference is somehow related to being open minded and I disagree with this.

EDIT:  If I wanted to insult you, I would just call you fat and hairy.    In which case, I would just be insulting myself. 

Oh ok. Apology accepted. Thanks for explaining.

[KevShep]

ConanTheLeader wrote...

A new plot direction, a new plot device(crucible), a new villian, and a reaper war...

That is just too mucn for a single game!!!!!!!!...

...and to top it off the ending to ME3 is an EXACT copy and paste ending of Deus Ex with the same EXACT choices(destroy/control/merge(synthesis) and refuse) and the same EXACT consequences as Deus Ex.

Modifié par KevShep, 03 mars 2013 - 03:01 .

[StarcloudSWG]

You played it with the extended cut in place. Believe it or not, the original ending was far, far worse in its emotional impact. Imagine the Catalyst's dialog cut down to fourteen insultingly brief lines, with only four points where shepard could even say anything. Then cut to a scene of the crucible firing, the citadel blowing up, the mass relays blowing up, the Normandy blowing up and breaking apart, then somehow mysteriously landing on a planet intact, followed up by the credits and THIS jarringly insulting pop-up: Shepard is a legend, now buy DLC!

Original endings video: All three ending sequences.

Modifié par StarcloudSWG, 03 mars 2013 - 03:09 .

[NoGround94]

This thread has become a two-sided argument: The people who like the ending and the people who hate the ending (And the entire series itself for that matter, because of the ending). I am going to leave this thread because there are people like Maxter_ here who claim that the entire series is garbage. Not worth sitting around so many haters. Sorry OP, just wanted to let you know that bringing up this topic on the forums is bound to bring up a lot of problems.

[NoGround94]

SiriusXI wrote...

3. Sythesis, the "best" option was not forshadowed enough. Yeah, there were some small hints here and there, but Control and Destroy the Reapers were a central theme in ME2 & especially 3. Synthesis just comes out of nowhere. Plus it's science, how it actually works, is not explained well enoug (this is not Dragon Age, where we can just accept "Magic")


I still think all the ending complaints are valid. But if you enjoied it... good 4 u, I guess...

Synthesis was Saren's solution. It'd be nice if Shepard could come up with a solution himself, instead of following Illusive Man, Anderson, or Saren.

[Shinobu]

@OP, I'm glad you're happy. I think some of us who experienced the original endings can't unsee them. It was... bad. Unfortunately, the EC couldn't take away the feeling of wrongness for me, but I'm glad it spared you the horror.

[ld1449]

Cobalt2113 wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Stop right there with the minority talk! BSN represents a veeeery biased portion of the fanbase. While you might well be in the minority on this site (though even then, it's hard to say), it's completely unknown if you're in the minority of total players.

That being said, I've found that most people enjoy the EC if it's their first experience with the endings. Glad you enjoyed it.

It is PROVEN through various surveys on multiple websites the people that like the ending are the minority

No, it isn't. Stop making things up.

Polls show the Pro-enders are a minority on BSN but that is all. Evey other larger vote has shown quite the opposite (game of the year votes for instance). The largest survey that I know of was the Collaborative EC survey.

www.mediafire.com/view/

I suggest you turn your attention to figure 10 and you'll see just how wrong your assertion is. More people like the EC endings than those who don't. Which gave it a 7.1 average rating in the end. Hell, I just put it here too so everyone can see...

You are demonstrating a single piece of a survey that compared the ECE with the OE...and its supposed to be a revelation that the EC is considered better???

Putrid roadkill would have been better than the original.

Better, does not necesarilly mean good. Resignation is not equal to satisfaction.

Tell me, if the ending really is so widely accepted with the EC why is it that MEHEM has an estimated 76% download to PC purchase ratio?

This is not counting the people of course, out of the remaining 24% who haven't yet beaten the game and thus have had no reason to download MEHEM.

Outside of this one Piece that you have extrapolated almost out of context from an absolutely massive survey that cut the people satisfied and unsatisfied almost in half at the best of times, what other surveys, anywhere, have you found that say the EC is "good" because I can point you to about three, one on Gamefront, one on Facebook and one on Gamefaqs that state otherwise.

[3DandBeyond]

Jadebaby wrote...


sci-fi should be taken seriously.. Look at Mass Effect 1, it was taken very seriously, with all the background information through characters and codex's. Thety built this wonderful universe with such a rich lore. Then they did exactly what you're doing, stopped taking it seriously, figuring "hey? It's just a game." As a result we ended up with mysticism instead of sci-fi.

In fact, it was Bioware that wanted both a game and a game about a sci fi story to be something that was taken seriously and would change what the prevailing thought is about games especially.  Bioware wanted ME3 to make ME a breakout series that would elevate SF games in the same way Star Wars helped to elevate SF movies.  In short, the problem is that a great many people look at games as toys.  I even see this happening here on the BSN.  There have been numerous comments that say, "who cares about the ending?  All games have crappy endings.  I never complain.  It's just a game."  Well, Bioware didn't want it to be.

Just to be clear, here's a link to an interview with Mac Walters:

http://www.ign.com/a...st-achievements

I agree with the post-ME was not hardcore SF but it leaned toward that in certain aspects.  The devs went to great lengths to either explain a great deal with real science or to create the fictional future science upon which things existed within ME.  But the ending is pure fantasy.

[Bill Casey]

I'm one of those people who rated it a 9 on that survey...
Then Bioware banned all discussion of IT and called it a fan theory they don't endorse or promote...

Now I rate it a negative fifty trillion...
It's racist and celebrates war crimes...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 03 mars 2013 - 04:44 .

[ld1449]

Bill Casey wrote...

I'm one of those people who rated it a 9 on that survey...
Then Bioware banned all discussion of IT and called it a fan theory they don't endorse or promote...

Now I rate it a negative fifty trillion...

To be fair, a good portion of non ITers tried to warn you that it wasn't gonna happen after the EC your group didn't exactly listen with an open mind.

[Mathias]

ld1449 wrote...

Cobalt2113 wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Stop right there with the minority talk! BSN represents a veeeery biased portion of the fanbase. While you might well be in the minority on this site (though even then, it's hard to say), it's completely unknown if you're in the minority of total players.

That being said, I've found that most people enjoy the EC if it's their first experience with the endings. Glad you enjoyed it.

It is PROVEN through various surveys on multiple websites the people that like the ending are the minority

No, it isn't. Stop making things up.

Polls show the Pro-enders are a minority on BSN but that is all. Evey other larger vote has shown quite the opposite (game of the year votes for instance). The largest survey that I know of was the Collaborative EC survey.

www.mediafire.com/view/

I suggest you turn your attention to figure 10 and you'll see just how wrong your assertion is. More people like the EC endings than those who don't. Which gave it a 7.1 average rating in the end. Hell, I just put it here too so everyone can see...

You are demonstrating a single piece of a survey that compared the ECE with the OE...and its supposed to be a revelation that the EC is considered better???

Putrid roadkill would have been better than the original.

Better, does not necesarilly mean good. Resignation is not equal to satisfaction.

Tell me, if the ending really is so widely accepted with the EC why is it that MEHEM has an estimated 76% download to PC purchase ratio?

This is not counting the people of course, out of the remaining 24% who haven't yet beaten the game and thus have had no reason to download MEHEM.

Outside of this one Piece that you have extrapolated almost out of context from an absolutely massive survey that cut the people satisfied and unsatisfied almost in half at the best of times, what other surveys, anywhere, have you found that say the EC is "good" because I can point you to about three, one on Gamefront, one on Facebook and one on Gamefaqs that state otherwise.

Also since when is a 7.1 average considered good by today's standards?

Did your parents ever give you praise for getting a C- in school? No they didn't.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 03 mars 2013 - 04:46 .

[mvaning]

ld1449 wrote...

Cobalt2113 wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Stop right there with the minority talk! BSN represents a veeeery biased portion of the fanbase. While you might well be in the minority on this site (though even then, it's hard to say), it's completely unknown if you're in the minority of total players.

That being said, I've found that most people enjoy the EC if it's their first experience with the endings. Glad you enjoyed it.

It is PROVEN through various surveys on multiple websites the people that like the ending are the minority

No, it isn't. Stop making things up.

Polls show the Pro-enders are a minority on BSN but that is all. Evey other larger vote has shown quite the opposite (game of the year votes for instance). The largest survey that I know of was the Collaborative EC survey.

www.mediafire.com/view/

I suggest you turn your attention to figure 10 and you'll see just how wrong your assertion is. More people like the EC endings than those who don't. Which gave it a 7.1 average rating in the end. Hell, I just put it here too so everyone can see...

<snip>

You are demonstrating a single piece of a survey that compared the ECE with the OE...and its supposed to be a revelation that the EC is considered better???

Putrid roadkill would have been better than the original.

Better, does not necesarilly mean good. Resignation is not equal to satisfaction.

Tell me, if the ending really is so widely accepted with the EC why is it that MEHEM has an estimated 76% download to PC purchase ratio?

This is not counting the people of course, out of the remaining 24% who haven't yet beaten the game and thus have had no reason to download MEHEM.

Outside of this one Piece that you have extrapolated almost out of context from an absolutely massive survey that cut the people satisfied and unsatisfied almost in half at the best of times, what other surveys, anywhere, have you found that say the EC is "good" because I can point you to about three, one on Gamefront, one on Facebook and one on Gamefaqs that state otherwise.

Not to mention that people who don't like the game ending aren't going to fill out a survey that long.  It is automatically biased towards people who do like the game and the endings.      It doesn't take 20 questions to fill in the "No" box when you are asked if you like the ME3 ending.


Forchunately, there are dozens of surveys out there from multiple sources that show that the post EC DLC is not satisfying.  These sources are from more than just the BSN and don't ask a string of questions with tricky wording to get the results that they want.  

Modifié par mvaning, 03 mars 2013 - 04:49 .

[Bill Casey]

ld1449 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

I'm one of those people who rated it a 9 on that survey...
Then Bioware banned all discussion of IT and called it a fan theory they don't endorse or promote...

Now I rate it a negative fifty trillion...

To be fair, a good portion of non ITers tried to warn you that it wasn't gonna happen after the EC your group didn't exactly listen with an open mind.

What wasn't going to happen?

[mvaning]

Bill Casey wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

I'm one of those people who rated it a 9 on that survey...
Then Bioware banned all discussion of IT and called it a fan theory they don't endorse or promote...

Now I rate it a negative fifty trillion...

To be fair, a good portion of non ITers tried to warn you that it wasn't gonna happen after the EC your group didn't exactly listen with an open mind.

What wasn't going to happen?

Don't listen to him, he's indoctrinated.

[christrek1982]

Valkyre4 wrote...

jstme wrote...

Valkyre4 wrote...

jstme wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Only-Twin wrote...

I just hate how poorly-written the whole part with the catalyst is. I don't care about the lack of choices and whatnot, I just can't stand how that scene is so incredibly flawed. The reasoning behind the reapers is completely ridiculous.

Blame ME1 for saddling the Reapers with an irrational plan. 

No. Blame ME3 and its futile attempt at explaining something that better be left a mystery anyway.
Imagine Harbinger during its last mass effect core pulses saying something epic in the type of:
"You think you won but it is just an insignificant delay. Cycles will continue. It is inevitable. We will be back. Hasta la vista,Shepard. Yow will not be asceneded but long after your memory will perish reaping will continue . Harbinger shot first. These are not the reapers you were looking for...."
Well, you got it. Something really epic, not like this crap i wrote but in the same spirit. 
No reason to explain reaping. Opens new possibilities for sequels. 

The problem with your logic is that just because this sounds as "epic" to your ears, doesnt mean that it sounds epic in other individuals...(and yes I am not taking literally what you wrote but the context of it)

That is why some people find epic the fact that Shepard sacrifices himself, and others scream for a blue babies ending...

The definition of epic varies among individuals. 

Hmm...
Shooting tube from point range vs Sovereign speech in ME1.... 
Choosing form of suicide from colorfull options graciously presented by blacmailing Reaper King because otherwise it will be SO BE IT vs Mordin sacrifice. Had to be him, you know...

Of course you entitled to your opinion about ME3 ending. But i think that ME3 ending is as far from epic as culturally possible. Even blue babies - though i am not that into blue babies since it reminds me more of a medical condition - is more epic then symbolic forced suicide+genocide because your enemy demands it. 

Sometimes I wonder if all your (and that "your" is not directed specifically to you just to be clear, it might even not be directed to you at all if you are not one of those folks) extreme hatred is blinding you from several things, or you just pretend that you dont know the real thing.

Right now you bring the all boring argument of colors... yeah thats right, the colors is the problem. Then you speak of the catalyst as the "Reaper King" who "demands" sacrifice.

Seriously? The Catalyst is the Reaper King? Since when? Is that what you understood? And how come self sacrifice is not your choice and it is his?

Look I also respect people's opinions that they dont like the endings but all this HATRED is overkill and it leads to some seriously overreacting comments. Its like people are trying so much to dissect every single thing about ME3 and turn it into a bad mess. It is sad really.

Meanwhile everyone says how awesome ME1 was and how amazingly perfect its dialogue was, while I believe ME1 dialogue was quite ridiculous (and the VA was pretty bad) at certain moments.

All in all I see double standards all over the place. ME1 gets away with everything ****ty that it had, but hey, lets crusify ME3 for just about EVERYTHING there is to be.

Sorry, but i consider this sad. :/

I am not saying you should like the game or its endings, but this has gone waaaaaay overboard already.

1 I have nothing against ME3 I feel it's the weakest out of the three but I don't think it's a bad game it's just the ending that is a deal braker.
2 the star child is the reaper controler he as much as say so.
3 the ending is out of place maybe lav changes this in some way but I've not had the chance to play it so I don't know.
4 I hate forced death in games like ME and other than Shepard and Thane you do have some input as to how it turns out so that is a good thing and at least Thane death fits.  As for Shepard I have never felt so railroaded in a Bioware game and how is it a scrafice when when the star child just says "hay Shepard you have to pick one of the 3 death traps dosnt matter whitch you pick coz your dead any way".

5 I'm not sure but I think when people talk abou DAO or at least when I talk about it I'm talking about the fact that the endings and it's out come are clear and fit within DAO.

there are three outcome in DAO

1 create a life only to have it possessed by the Arch demon
2 Allow for a comrad to make the final blow and give up there life in place of you warden.
3 make the sacrifice yourself.

as far as my warden gose I felt as though the choice was mine and that I chose to sacrifice rather than being forced into it.

could the team of done somthing along the same lines?  Well yes and they almost did it come down to destroy all they had to do was allow Shepard to live through Destroy but have a price attached and make it plane that Shepard lived and the cost of that choice then leave it up to the player to dicide if that cost was worth it. Control a Synth would have better outcomes for the galaxy.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Glad to hear you enjoyed it OP. Most of the people here finished ME3 at its worst and simply felt EC didn't do enough to fix the damage that had already been done. Less people would be upset (or as upset) at the endings if the EC had been part of the initial release.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 03 mars 2013 - 04:55 .