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[SilentK]

Glad you liked it OP  =)

I'm quite fine with it, would honestly have been very happy with one scene with Shepard afterwards, just being found in the rubble but it's ok. Don't love that part of the game but the rest of it is great for me. I just focus on the things that make me feel happy about playing and tone down and focus less on the part that I enjoy less. The Mass Effect-series are my favorite games so I'm happily replaying the series with all the dlc now!

Have fun  

Modifié par SilentK, 03 mars 2013 - 08:52 .

[ld1449]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...


I actually dont really see all that much wrong with the logic of the endings truth be told, and as I said, I would love to have a solid list to just pick apart.  (it would be a fun challenge)     

(sorry if I insulted you)  



As far as the moral implications, Theres one interseting thing I want to bring up about the destroy ending:
When I first played the game I picked destroy and said "Well i dont want to kill the geth kitties but its the only way to make sure this gets done, even if i get wiped out too"  During the breath epilogue I was really surprised.  When shepard survived my immediate thought was "Maybe the geth survived too?"  This was the AT THE MOMENT of completion on march....i believe i took 8 days to beat the game so it would have been 14th while avoiding all internet and social activity.

Fast forward to extended cut.  If your EMS is high enough the line about the geth dieing is REMOVED from starchild's speech, its still there if your ems is low enough (i believe the cutoff is 2800?).  Now, while the geth dont have a slide in this ending, if your first experience with the ending IS the high ems destroy ending you would actually have no reason to think the geth were dead.  nothing in the ending supports this other than a missing slide (you also miss miranda, jack, and the rachni queen's slide in most high ems destroy endings)  Only those of us that played the game at launch would think "The geth died in this ending" without doing extra research.  (which is ironic because my first analysis of the ending at launch was that the geth must have miraculously survived if shepard did too)


I just thought I'd bring that up.

You asked, and I'll answer.

1) Shepard adds absolutely nothing to bring about control.

Shepard replaces the Starchild, and orders the Reapers to "Stop, and help rebuild" That is the entire basis of control the Reapers stop harvesting, start helping in the rebuilding. He just replaced this guy, and gives, two orders.

What exactly changed? What did Shepard bring to the table with his "power source"? Did he add the words "Cease and Desist" along with "Rebuild" into the dictionary?

He added nothing of any significant degree that justifies the need for him to die for it. Its the equivalent of just talking the catalyst down and convincing him to stop.

2) Synthesis:

This ending has you create an entirely new DNA structure (Catalysts own words). In other words, genetic manipulation, on a galactic scale. This is an incalculable number of cells of which the genetic structure in its entirety has been re-written in a matter of seconds by something labeled simply as a 'power source' a 'power source' constructed by civilizations technologically inferior to the antagonists that have frequently been held up as the pinaccle of technology.

You achieve, in little more than three months construction time a result that this race of infinitely powerful machines simply could not achieve after multiple attempts, even after knowing of the existence of the crucible.

3) Destroy:

As far as the Destroy ending goes its the one with the least amount of issues, the destruction of the geth however, is one of them.

The geth have been described frequently as purely software. The reaper tech upgraded that software.

This is no different than a patch.

If I upgrade Skyrim 1.08, and then downgrade to upgrade 1.5 my skyrim will still function, same for every software upgrade. Remove the upgrade, the machine will still perform, just not at the same capacity it was achieving with the upgrade.

The red wave targeted reaper tech exclusively otherwise every piece of technology would have blown the hell up. So its safe to say that the only upgrades that would have been affected within the geth are the reaper upgrades, not the geth software itself, so all of them dying was added as little more than the writers "feel bad for this" option, to "balance out" the choices.

And here's a list. Three things you can pick apart, there's more but this should give you enough to sink your teeth into.

As for the Geth's death not being included in the EC high EMS outcome that's a good catch, hadn't really noticed that one myself.

[Valkyre4]

fr33stylez wrote...

Valkyre4 wrote...

Τhe Catalyst is not a Reaper. Hence he cant be a "reaper king". The catalyst is an A.I. a program that controls the reapers. That A.I. was tasked to find a solution to the pattern that kept repeating itself countless cycles. The A.I. considered the particular solution and indeed it was the perfect solution until the cycle of shepard where everything changes and an AI is presented with a different outcome for the first time.

For the first time the galaxy is truly united, for the first time organics and synthetics are joining forces and are not in war. And for the first time all this was possible because of shepard. That makes the AI question its original solution. The most common missconception -imho- I see on this board concerning the "logic" of Reapers, is that people are trying to compare the logic of an organic with the logic of a synthetic. That is completely wrong in my opinion. An AI, is bound by vastly different processing of "logic". Every single encounter with Legion, EDI or other AIs pretty much confirms this throughout the entire trilogy, yet people ignore it and think that a Reaper should be thinking as a human being...

This AI, the catalyst, realises that while its solution might have been 99,9999999999999999% correct, that 0,00000000000001% of a mistake, of a different outcome, of the Shepard outcome, is enough to make it question that very solution. Hence it wants to present / find a new solution that is for the first time presented due to the completion of the crucible and the connection it establishes with the citadel.

I don't think you understand the ending at all, which in your case  probably helps in your satisfaction with the ending.

The Catalyst doesn't question its solution because the galaxy is united or because organics and synthetics are not in war. Quite the opposite, as the Catalyst reaffirms its belief to Shepard that organics and synthetics will always fight, which will lead to the destruction of organics. It was the docking of the Crucible was the only thing  that allowed 'new possibilites' in place of the harvest cycle.

The Catalyst could care less about the fact that organics and synthetics get along (which is one of the biggest complaints from players). The Catalyst also never questioned if its solution is correct, I'm not sure where you're getting this from. You should really play the ending again to absorb some of the ridiculousness of the ending.

Oh please... now we are retarded? Come on seriously how far does your hate come ffs? Why is it that I did not understand the oh so complicated ending while your higher intelligence does. PLease cut the BS

Direct quotes from the "starchild"

"Catalyst : you have hope, more than you think. the fact that you are standing HERE, the FIRST organic EVER PROVES it. But it also proves my solution WONT WORK ANYMORE."
Shepard : Why you telling me this? Why help me
Catalyst : You have ALTERED the variables.

if you really cant think out of the box what the catalyst means by this dialogue, dont call out on people that they "didnt get the ending". The catalyst realises that his solution is not as perfect as he thought it was. And the reason for that is Shepard actions throughout the trilogy PLUS the docking with the citadel yes. But mostly it was Shepards actions, the fact that he united the galaxy like no1 ever did before. I think its pretty much self explanatory...

Modifié par Valkyre4, 03 mars 2013 - 12:14 .

[Yestare7]

 
OP:   glad you liked it, (as I did) and I doubt you are in the minority.
The people who are disappointed are more vocal than the content ones.




Y

[Maxster_]

Valkyre4 wrote...

Oh please... now we are retarded? Come on seriously how far does your hate come ffs? Why is it that I did not understand the oh so complicated ending while your higher intelligence does. PLease cut the BS

Direct quotes from the "starchild"

"Catalyst : you have hope, more than you think. the fact that you are standing HERE, the FIRST organic EVER PROVES it. But it also proves my solution WONT WORK ANYMORE."
Shepard : Why you telling me this? Why help me
Catalyst : You have ALTERED the variables.

if you really cant think out of the box what the catalyst means by this dialogue, dont call out on people that they "didnt get the ending". The catalyst realises that his solution is not as perfect as he thought it was. And the reason for that is Shepard actions throughout the trilogy PLUS the docking with the citadel yes. But mostly it was Shepards actions, the fact that he united the galaxy like no1 ever did before. I think its pretty much self explanatory...

Sure.
And instead of just leaving(with reapers), or killing himself and reapers at nearest star - he forces Shepard to accept his insanity, threating Shepard with genocide of everyone.
Seem legit.

And especially great was the message. Peace is only possible by 1) killing the opposing side 2) subjugating both sides 3) forced homogenization and brainwashing.

[string3r]

Well I guess it just depends on how heavily invested you are in the characters and universe. To me the original ending was devestating, and just made me feel empty inside. The EC was still bad, but over time I've learned to except it.

[PSUHammer]

My brother finally got the game on sale and played through it the first time with Ashes, Leviathan, Omega and EC. He thought the game was absolutely incredible and one of the best he has ever played.

Amazing the perception change the EC has...only problem was the people who couldn't get over the original endings to enjoy the EC.

Modifié par PSUHammer, 03 mars 2013 - 04:18 .

[Tron Mega]

^
you do realize people hate the EC too right?

PSUHammer wrote...

My brother finally got the game on sale and played through it the first time with Ashes, Leviathan, Omega and EC. He thought the game was absolutely incredible and one of the best he has ever played.

Amazing the perception change the EC has...only problem was the people who couldn't get over the original endings to enjoy the EC.

im glad the ending fit for your brothers shepard.

mine didnt.

Modifié par Tron Mega, 03 mars 2013 - 04:27 .

[PSUHammer]

Tron Mega wrote...

^
you do realize people hate the EC too right?

PSUHammer wrote...

My brother finally got the game on sale and played through it the first time with Ashes, Leviathan, Omega and EC. He thought the game was absolutely incredible and one of the best he has ever played.

Amazing the perception change the EC has...only problem was the people who couldn't get over the original endings to enjoy the EC.

im glad the ending fit for your brothers shepard.

mine didnt.

I do and I am convinced there will always be a minority of people who would never have been appeased regardless of what Bioware did.  People set expectations WAY to high in their own minds and when a developer doesn't meet them (as if they had a chance at all) these people go into rage mode because the game didn't work for THEM.

I am sure that is fine and Bioware is content with what they put out.  I am surprised they did the EC.  They could have just cut their losses with the sales they had to that point.  Or, they could have said "Not happy with the ending?  Fine, we can add to it for some more $$" which they did not.  They gave fan service.  Yet...some still complain.  I am convinced these people are just nitpicky complainers...the 80/20 rule in effect.

The 80/20 rule states that 20% of the people (customers, employees, etc.) cause 80% of the grief.  Seems to apply here, too.  You will never appease that 20% so better to focus on the 80% group.

[Obadiah]

Yeah, after reading some of the criticisms, I came to the same conclusion.

[Tron Mega]

PSUHammer wrote...

Tron Mega wrote...

^
you do realize people hate the EC too right?

PSUHammer wrote...

My brother finally got the game on sale and played through it the first time with Ashes, Leviathan, Omega and EC. He thought the game was absolutely incredible and one of the best he has ever played.

Amazing the perception change the EC has...only problem was the people who couldn't get over the original endings to enjoy the EC.

im glad the ending fit for your brothers shepard.

mine didnt.

I do and I am convinced there will always be a minority of people who would never have been appeased regardless of what Bioware did.  People set expectations WAY to high in their own minds and when a developer doesn't meet them (as if they had a chance at all) these people go into rage mode because the game didn't work for THEM.

I am sure that is fine and Bioware is content with what they put out.  I am surprised they did the EC.  They could have just cut their losses with the sales they had to that point.  Or, they could have said "Not happy with the ending?  Fine, we can add to it for some more $$" which they did not.  They gave fan service.  Yet...some still complain.  I am convinced these people are just nitpicky complainers...the 80/20 rule in effect.

The 80/20 rule states that 20% of the people (customers, employees, etc.) cause 80% of the grief.  Seems to apply here, too.  You will never appease that 20% so better to focus on the 80% group.

i disagree with your assertions. first of all, you have no real idea of what is or isnt the truth about who the minority is. your just throwing out statistics about statistics. for me personally it might have been a bit different then your shoehorned focus group. after DA2s lackluster release, after SWToRs lackluster release, after my own disappointments with ME2, after ME3s script was leaked and everyone who read it said it was awfull, after a few days before release date bioware stickied a thread reminding the BSN not be to crazy about their disappointments with ME3, after chris preistly stickied a thread titled "play with a non import shepard first, derp," after everything said about ME3 lead me to beleive i was getting a different game then the one that was released............ i was fairly certain ME3 was going to be a disappointment.

bioware didnt do the EC for the fan outcry. they made the EC because who the hell would buy DLC for a game that included the original ending? and its not like the EC was all that important, it just cleaned up the really badly shown sequences that everyone already could have assumed thats how it should have went. the reason for the EC was money. money, not fan appreciation. as a matter of fact, id like to see one thing bioware did in terms of fan appreciation. really, just take a look at talis photoshopped face for the defining fan appreciation bioware tries to envelope in their games. bioware flat out said "ME3 is a perfect entry pint" and that gamer is exactly who bioware tried to please, instead of their long time fans of the series. its pathetic. and it had to be free because its not like people who hated the ending would pay for a better one, at the time. im sure now people would pay for an ending DLC, hell i would certainly buy it and i havent bought or played anything ME3 related since a few days after release when i beat the game.

i need a reason to like ME again, and i highly doubt biowares next ME game is going to satisfy my cravings.

Modifié par Tron Mega, 03 mars 2013 - 05:43 .

[Hadeedak]

string3r wrote...

Well I guess it just depends on how heavily invested you are in the characters and universe. To me the original ending was devestating, and just made me feel empty inside. The EC was still bad, but over time I've learned to except it.

Hell, I'm pretty invested. I've been playing all three games off and on since they respectively came out. I have all the story DLCs, minus Omega. I know the lore. I still talk Mass Effect with my buddies now and again. I didn't much care for the vanilla ending, though I felt people were over-reacting a titch. (It was not the WORST THING EVER, it was just kind of .... bad). Once the EC came out, I was pretty happy. It's not the best thing ever. But it's pretty all right, and it works. 

[Iakus]

PSUHammer wrote...

I do and I am convinced there will always be a minority of people who would never have been appeased regardless of what Bioware did.  People set expectations WAY to high in their own minds and when a developer doesn't meet them (as if they had a chance at all) these people go into rage mode because the game didn't work for THEM.

I had no idea that wanting a single ending where Shepard can:

Defeat the Reapers
Clearly survive
Not commit a galactic war crime

was an overly high expectation

I am sure that is fine and Bioware is content with what they put out.  I am surprised they did the EC.  They could have just cut their losses with the sales they had to that point.  Or, they could have said "Not happy with the ending?  Fine, we can add to it for some more $$" which they did not.  They gave fan service.  Yet...some still complain.  I am convinced these people are just nitpicky complainers...the 80/20 rule in effect.

The 80/20 rule states that 20% of the people (customers, employees, etc.) cause 80% of the grief.  Seems to apply here, too.  You will never appease that 20% so better to focus on the 80% group.

It's way more than 20%.  Even the more pro-ending polls say that.

[ld1449]

PSUHammer wrote...


I do and I am convinced there will always be a minority of people who would never have been appeased regardless of what Bioware did.  People set expectations WAY to high in their own minds and when a developer doesn't meet them (as if they had a chance at all) these people go into rage mode because the game didn't work for THEM.

I am sure that is fine and Bioware is content with what they put out.  I am surprised they did the EC.  They could have just cut their losses with the sales they had to that point.  Or, they could have said "Not happy with the ending?  Fine, we can add to it for some more $$" which they did not.  They gave fan service.  Yet...some still complain.  I am convinced these people are just nitpicky complainers...the 80/20 rule in effect.

The 80/20 rule states that 20% of the people (customers, employees, etc.) cause 80% of the grief.  Seems to apply here, too.  You will never appease that 20% so better to focus on the 80% group.

Actually the 80/20 rule states that 20 percent of your customer base provides 80 percent of the profits.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

PSUHammer wrote...

My brother finally got the game on sale and played through it the first time with Ashes, Leviathan, Omega and EC. He thought the game was absolutely incredible and one of the best he has ever played.

Amazing the perception change the EC has...only problem was the people who couldn't get over the original endings to enjoy the EC.

Cool! Leviathan really adds a lot to the game. One of the best ME DLCs ever imo. 

Your brother have good taste in games!

[Merchant2006]

Good for you OP, let the rest of us continue hating it.

[Landon7001]

Modifié par Landon7001, 03 mars 2013 - 06:07 .

[Landon7001]

Tron Mega wrote...

PSUHammer wrote...

Tron Mega wrote...

^
you do realize people hate the EC too right?

PSUHammer wrote...

My brother finally got the game on sale and played through it the first time with Ashes, Leviathan, Omega and EC. He thought the game was absolutely incredible and one of the best he has ever played.

Amazing the perception change the EC has...only problem was the people who couldn't get over the original endings to enjoy the EC.

im glad the ending fit for your brothers shepard.

mine didnt.

I do and I am convinced there will always be a minority of people who would never have been appeased regardless of what Bioware did.  People set expectations WAY to high in their own minds and when a developer doesn't meet them (as if they had a chance at all) these people go into rage mode because the game didn't work for THEM.

I am sure that is fine and Bioware is content with what they put out.  I am surprised they did the EC.  They could have just cut their losses with the sales they had to that point.  Or, they could have said "Not happy with the ending?  Fine, we can add to it for some more $$" which they did not.  They gave fan service.  Yet...some still complain.  I am convinced these people are just nitpicky complainers...the 80/20 rule in effect.

The 80/20 rule states that 20% of the people (customers, employees, etc.) cause 80% of the grief.  Seems to apply here, too.  You will never appease that 20% so better to focus on the 80% group.

i disagree with your assertions. first of all, you have no real idea of what is or isnt the truth about who the minority is. your just throwing out statistics about statistics. for me personally it might have been a bit different then your shoehorned focus group. after DA2s lackluster release, after SWToRs lackluster release, after my own disappointments with ME2, after ME3s script was leaked and everyone who read it said it was awfull, after a few days before release date bioware stickied a thread reminding the BSN not be to crazy about their disappointments with ME3, after chris preistly stickied a thread titled "play with a non import shepard first, derp," after everything said about ME3 lead me to beleive i was getting a different game then the one that was released............ i was fairly certain ME3 was going to be a disappointment.

bioware didnt do the EC for the fan outcry. they made the EC because who the hell would buy DLC for a game that included the original ending? and its not like the EC was all that important, it just cleaned up the really badly shown sequences that everyone already could have assumed thats how it should have went. the reason for the EC was money. money, not fan appreciation. as a matter of fact, id like to see one thing bioware did in terms of fan appreciation. really, just take a look at talis photoshopped face for the defining fan appreciation bioware tries to envelope in their games. bioware flat out said "ME3 is a perfect entry pint" and that gamer is exactly who bioware tried to please, instead of their long time fans of the series. its pathetic. and it had to be free because its not like people who hated the ending would pay for a better one, at the time. im sure now people would pay for an ending DLC, hell i would certainly buy it and i havent bought or played anything ME3 related since a few days after release when i beat the game.

i need a reason to like ME again, and i highly doubt biowares next ME game is going to satisfy my cravings.

A MEN  tron mega

[PSUHammer]

Tron Mega wrote...

PSUHammer wrote...

Tron Mega wrote...

^
you do realize people hate the EC too right?

PSUHammer wrote...

My brother finally got the game on sale and played through it the first time with Ashes, Leviathan, Omega and EC. He thought the game was absolutely incredible and one of the best he has ever played.

Amazing the perception change the EC has...only problem was the people who couldn't get over the original endings to enjoy the EC.

im glad the ending fit for your brothers shepard.

mine didnt.

I do and I am convinced there will always be a minority of people who would never have been appeased regardless of what Bioware did.  People set expectations WAY to high in their own minds and when a developer doesn't meet them (as if they had a chance at all) these people go into rage mode because the game didn't work for THEM.

I am sure that is fine and Bioware is content with what they put out.  I am surprised they did the EC.  They could have just cut their losses with the sales they had to that point.  Or, they could have said "Not happy with the ending?  Fine, we can add to it for some more $$" which they did not.  They gave fan service.  Yet...some still complain.  I am convinced these people are just nitpicky complainers...the 80/20 rule in effect.

The 80/20 rule states that 20% of the people (customers, employees, etc.) cause 80% of the grief.  Seems to apply here, too.  You will never appease that 20% so better to focus on the 80% group.

i disagree with your assertions. first of all, you have no real idea of what is or isnt the truth about who the minority is. your just throwing out statistics about statistics. for me personally it might have been a bit different then your shoehorned focus group. after DA2s lackluster release, after SWToRs lackluster release, after my own disappointments with ME2, after ME3s script was leaked and everyone who read it said it was awfull, after a few days before release date bioware stickied a thread reminding the BSN not be to crazy about their disappointments with ME3, after chris preistly stickied a thread titled "play with a non import shepard first, derp," after everything said about ME3 lead me to beleive i was getting a different game then the one that was released............ i was fairly certain ME3 was going to be a disappointment.

bioware didnt do the EC for the fan outcry. they made the EC because who the hell would buy DLC for a game that included the original ending? and its not like the EC was all that important, it just cleaned up the really badly shown sequences that everyone already could have assumed thats how it should have went. the reason for the EC was money. money, not fan appreciation. as a matter of fact, id like to see one thing bioware did in terms of fan appreciation. really, just take a look at talis photoshopped face for the defining fan appreciation bioware tries to envelope in their games. bioware flat out said "ME3 is a perfect entry pint" and that gamer is exactly who bioware tried to please, instead of their long time fans of the series. its pathetic. and it had to be free because its not like people who hated the ending would pay for a better one, at the time. im sure now people would pay for an ending DLC, hell i would certainly buy it and i havent bought or played anything ME3 related since a few days after release when i beat the game.

i need a reason to like ME again, and i highly doubt biowares next ME game is going to satisfy my cravings.

You proved my point...you are one of the people who will never be satisfied.  With all the negative things that happened before release...why did you even buy and play ME3, then?  Sounds like you set yourself up for disappointment.

[PSUHammer]

ld1449 wrote...

PSUHammer wrote...


I do and I am convinced there will always be a minority of people who would never have been appeased regardless of what Bioware did.  People set expectations WAY to high in their own minds and when a developer doesn't meet them (as if they had a chance at all) these people go into rage mode because the game didn't work for THEM.

I am sure that is fine and Bioware is content with what they put out.  I am surprised they did the EC.  They could have just cut their losses with the sales they had to that point.  Or, they could have said "Not happy with the ending?  Fine, we can add to it for some more $$" which they did not.  They gave fan service.  Yet...some still complain.  I am convinced these people are just nitpicky complainers...the 80/20 rule in effect.

The 80/20 rule states that 20% of the people (customers, employees, etc.) cause 80% of the grief.  Seems to apply here, too.  You will never appease that 20% so better to focus on the 80% group.

Actually the 80/20 rule states that 20 percent of your customer base provides 80 percent of the profits.

Economics, marketing, management, retail...it pertains to a lot of things and ends up being true.  Profitability is only one aspect of it.  The joke at our firm is more around performance management.  Human resources estimates that they spend close to 80%-90% of their time dealing with issues related to 20%-25% of employees.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle

Modifié par PSUHammer, 03 mars 2013 - 06:35 .

[Tron Mega]

PSUHammer wrote...

You proved my point...you are one of the people who will never be satisfied.  With all the negative things that happened before release...why did you even buy and play ME3, then?  Sounds like you set yourself up for disappointment.

because of what was promised. because of the BSN saying "dont worry, ME2 is only the middle. ME3 will fill in the holes! bioware knows what they are doing!" because ME1 was SO GOD DAMNED GOOD!!!!! how can ME3 possibly be anything less then an average game???? how is that possible. its not like bioware released a game that wouldnt have an A, B, C ending, when in fact they did. oopsie daisies, i guess.

bioware just proved me right with ME3. they simply dont make games i like.

i bought the game for the wrong reasons. ive learned my lesson with bioware.

Modifié par Tron Mega, 03 mars 2013 - 06:49 .

[PSUHammer]

Tron Mega wrote...

PSUHammer wrote...

You proved my point...you are one of the people who will never be satisfied.  With all the negative things that happened before release...why did you even buy and play ME3, then?  Sounds like you set yourself up for disappointment.

because of what was promised. because of the BSN saying "dont worry, ME2 is only the middle. ME3 will fill in the holes! bioware knows what they are doing!" because ME1 was SO GOD DAMNED GOOD!!!!! how can ME3 possibly be anything less then an average game???? how is that possible. its not like bioware released a game that wouldnt have an A, B, C ending, when in fact they did. oopsie daisies, i guess.

bioware just proved me right with ME3. they simply dont make games i like.

i bought the game for the wrong reasons. ive learned my lesson with bioware.

I hope so for your own sanity!  You should probably make it a rule not to buy a game on release.  Wait for reviews to see if it is worth your investment.  If I would have been that cognizant of perceived issues beforehand, I would have never bought said game.

Then again, I try not to be over emotional on it, either.  It is just a game.  Some people let this stuff consume them.  Don't take it so seriously!

[Bourne Endeavor]

PSUHammer wrote...

Tron Mega wrote...

^
you do realize people hate the EC too right?

PSUHammer wrote...

My brother finally got the game on sale and played through it the first time with Ashes, Leviathan, Omega and EC. He thought the game was absolutely incredible and one of the best he has ever played.

Amazing the perception change the EC has...only problem was the people who couldn't get over the original endings to enjoy the EC.

im glad the ending fit for your brothers shepard.

mine didnt.

I do and I am convinced there will always be a minority of people who would never have been appeased regardless of what Bioware did.  People set expectations WAY to high in their own minds and when a developer doesn't meet them (as if they had a chance at all) these people go into rage mode because the game didn't work for THEM.

I am sure that is fine and Bioware is content with what they put out.  I am surprised they did the EC.  They could have just cut their losses with the sales they had to that point.  Or, they could have said "Not happy with the ending?  Fine, we can add to it for some more $$" which they did not.  They gave fan service.  Yet...some still complain.  I am convinced these people are just nitpicky complainers...the 80/20 rule in effect.

The 80/20 rule states that 20% of the people (customers, employees, etc.) cause 80% of the grief.  Seems to apply here, too.  You will never appease that 20% so better to focus on the 80% group.

They only gave "fan service" because the ending controversy had significantly greater backlash than they anticipated. The largest web store in the world (Amazon) was offering full refunds to anyone who felt cheated. That speaks volumes to how much of a marketing disaster this became for BioWare and EA. And up until that point BioWare treated the fanbase like idiots who did understand their "art."

They did it because they had to save face. Regardless, the EC is not even all that good. It opens up new plot holes and logical fallacies. Hell, they thought comparing the Reaper invasion to a "cleansing fire" was a witty analogy.

While most of us have at least come to our own acceptance of the ending and enjoy Mass Effect for what it is. We're still going to call a shade, a shade. BioWare made numerous promises and kept few. It's almost comical when they wonder why people aren't as enamored with them anymore.

[I-AM-KROGAN]

I really disliked the ending before the EC. I felt that I didn't have much closure. The EC gave me exactly what I wanted. So overall, yeah I enjoyed the ending and thought it fit my Shepard. I understand why people don't like it, but I am just not one of those people.

[PSUHammer]

Anyone remember BSN when ME2 came out?  You would have thought the world was ending!

"It isn't an RPG anymore!"

"OMG, you can't customize guns!"

"The plot sucks!"

"Waaaaaaah, it isn't ME1!!"

Modifié par PSUHammer, 03 mars 2013 - 09:40 .