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[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Yeah I really like the ability to mix and match slides together to make even stronger endings.

Like mid destroy with....dead quarians, wrex betrayed makes it seem like the galaxy barely managed to make it.

renegade control with wreav in command, mordin alive, miranda alive, and the geth alive makes for a really spooky moment where it implies that the krogan waged war on earth and shepard used the geth and reapers to "end" the second krogan rebellions, with the implication that shepard's friends are "finding out what happened" in secret labs

[Valkyre4]

Maxster_ wrote...

Valkyre4 wrote...

Oh please... now we are retarded? Come on seriously how far does your hate come ffs? Why is it that I did not understand the oh so complicated ending while your higher intelligence does. PLease cut the BS

Direct quotes from the "starchild"

"Catalyst : you have hope, more than you think. the fact that you are standing HERE, the FIRST organic EVER PROVES it. But it also proves my solution WONT WORK ANYMORE."
Shepard : Why you telling me this? Why help me
Catalyst : You have ALTERED the variables.

if you really cant think out of the box what the catalyst means by this dialogue, dont call out on people that they "didnt get the ending". The catalyst realises that his solution is not as perfect as he thought it was. And the reason for that is Shepard actions throughout the trilogy PLUS the docking with the citadel yes. But mostly it was Shepards actions, the fact that he united the galaxy like no1 ever did before. I think its pretty much self explanatory...

Sure.
And instead of just leaving(with reapers), or killing himself and reapers at nearest star - he forces Shepard to accept his insanity, threating Shepard with genocide of everyone.
Seem legit.

And especially great was the message. Peace is only possible by 1) killing the opposing side 2) subjugating both sides 3) forced homogenization and brainwashing.

Docking with the crucible has changed the way the "starchild" interracts with the reapers... that was the whole point of it and that is what the starchild actually tells you. Not per se, but it is a no brainer from the whole discussion. Also the Levaithan DLC pretty much suggests that the Reapers are not incommon in doing things as they see fit, hence why they killed their creators. The starchild had no control over the reapers once the crucible was docked.

Tron Mega wrote...

because
of what was promised. because of the BSN saying "dont worry, ME2 is
only the middle. ME3 will fill in the holes! bioware knows what they
are doing!" because ME1 was SO GOD DAMNED GOOD!!!!! how can ME3 possibly
be anything less then an average game???? how is that possible. its not like bioware released a game that wouldnt have an A, B, C ending, when in fact they did. oopsie daisies, i guess.

bioware just proved me right with ME3. they simply dont make games i like.

i bought the game for the wrong reasons. ive learned my lesson with bioware.

How in the name of Fack, was ME1 SO GOD DAMNED GOOD??? Seriously some people are simply doing exactly what I am talking about here... They just about try and find 23082038202 reasons to hate ME3, while ME1 was just about perfect ignoring everything ugly there was....

and there was UGLY **** in ME1... oh yes there was... an awesome game, but a very very flawed game...

where to begin really?

a) The leveling system.... oh my god now the so called "rpg elements".... look you can lvl up 0,3% your ability... sounds awesome no? Glad Bioware cut that crap and now with each lvl you actually FEEL like you lvl up and see a difference in your character abilities and powers.

The shooting... it was needless to say sub par... both in terms of the actual calibration of the shooting element, the feel of the weapons, the poor covering system etc.

c) The inventory... probably the worst inventory in any RPG  I have ever played. And I have played a lot.

d) Oh look at all those rifles that look exactly the same and have different colors (remind you of something?)

e) ME1 is HUGE.... look at all those amazing barren planets with the EXACT SAME bunkers you have to do over and over and over and over and over AND OVER again.... amazing variety NO?

f) Male Shepard sounds like a transistor in ME1

g) Ehhh.... Mako..... ehh... yeah.... :/

And lots more if I continue nitpicking ike crazy....

Seriously you need to actually try and be a little bit more objective and fair for a change... I am not saying that you should like the ending of ME3, I am just saying you have nitpicked the fack out of this game to the point that it really doesnt make sense anymore...

Modifié par Valkyre4, 04 mars 2013 - 10:06 .

[Jassu1979]

The ending is an incoherent, lore-breaking mess.
I suppose most people won't see this at first glance. I remember that I was just moderately disappointed at first by how hollow the ending felt, and only gradually caught on to all the "narrative fallout" this whole Starkid nonsense entails.

[Valkyre4]

Jassu1979 wrote...

The ending is an incoherent, lore-breaking mess.
I suppose most people won't see this at first glance. I remember that I was just moderately disappointed at first by how hollow the ending felt, and only gradually caught on to all the "narrative fallout" this whole Starkid nonsense entails.

yeah it seems you really tried hard to find reasons to hate the game. Good for you, hope you feel happy about it now.

[abch4]

Valkyre4 wrote...

Jassu1979 wrote...

The ending is an incoherent, lore-breaking mess.
I suppose most people won't see this at first glance. I remember that I was just moderately disappointed at first by how hollow the ending felt, and only gradually caught on to all the "narrative fallout" this whole Starkid nonsense entails.

yeah it seems you really tried hard to find reasons to hate the game. Good for you, hope you feel happy about it now.

[Linkforlife]

Something I notice about these "I like the ending" threads is that they do not give any reasons other than a very vague "I liked it."

Note that I am not a hater, nor a supporter of the endings, I have just accepted them as they are, though I am still a little disappointed in some things, ie. Rachni closure, as they see to disappear off the galactic map after Utukku (the non-Reaper Rachni anyway).

[Jassu1979]

Valkyre4 wrote...

yeah it seems you really tried hard to find reasons to hate the game. Good for you, hope you feel happy about it now.

My my, what a belligerent response! Apparently, that's what I get for trying to be nice and NOT saying out loud that I think you've got to be an imbelice in order not to see the endings for what they are: a failed attempt at being "profound" that pretty much broke the Mass Effect universe.

[abch4]

Linkforlife wrote...

Something I notice about these "I like the ending" threads is that they do not give any reasons other than a very vague "I liked it."

Note that I am not a hater, nor a supporter of the endings, I have just accepted them as they are, though I am still a little disappointed in some things, ie. Rachni closure, as they see to disappear off the galactic map after Utukku (the non-Reaper Rachni anyway).

I don't get it, since when did you need a reason to like something. That's the problem here, everyone thinks some sort of micro-analysis of narrative is required to have an opinion. When in reality, it either resonates or doesn't, "I like the ending" is what it is, perfectly legit reply

[Jassu1979]

The thing is:

People who do not like the ending can usually point out very specific critical issues that ruin the narrative coherence of the game.
People who like it, on the other hand, usually cannot go beyond saying that they enjoyed it, "and that's my opinion".

Indeed it is! But then do not expect us to take you seriously in terms of discussion. If you cannot support your position, it's really not worth considering.

Modifié par Jassu1979, 04 mars 2013 - 10:37 .

[Linkforlife]

abch4 wrote...

Linkforlife wrote...

Something I notice about these "I like the ending" threads is that they do not give any reasons other than a very vague "I liked it."

Note that I am not a hater, nor a supporter of the endings, I have just accepted them as they are, though I am still a little disappointed in some things, ie. Rachni closure, as they see to disappear off the galactic map after Utukku (the non-Reaper Rachni anyway).

I don't get it, since when did you need a reason to like something. That's the problem here, everyone thinks some sort of micro-analysis of narrative is required to have an opinion. When in reality, it either resonates or doesn't, "I like the ending" is what it is, perfectly legit reply

So you are saying that someone does not need a valid reason to like something, ever? That if we like something, we just say we like it and that is that?

[Valkyre4]

Linkforlife wrote...

Something I notice about these "I like the ending" threads is that they do not give any reasons other than a very vague "I liked it."

Note that I am not a hater, nor a supporter of the endings, I have just accepted them as they are, though I am still a little disappointed in some things, ie. Rachni closure, as they see to disappear off the galactic map after Utukku (the non-Reaper Rachni anyway).

I'll tell you why that happens, because someone says "I like it" and then a barrage of ending hating posts comes out there to pretty much imply that "you didnt get it that is why you liked it", "good that you liked it now let us hate it" etc etc. Keep in mind that those examples are only a few and it is what was ACTUALLY POSTED here in this thread...

how can you express what you liked about it, when you know that there are going to be 238212320 following that will dissect your opinion, twist it, make it sound irrational that you liked it, make you sound stupid that you liked it etc etc...

I dont want to go over this.... its teh internet after all... you know "seriouz buzinezz"... so no... I aint going to do that. I am more than happy to elaborate on why exactly I like the ending and why it privided a solid closure to my journey and I can write pages about it, but this damned community is so hatefull towards anything and anyone that uses the words "like" and "ending" in the same sentence that you just dont want to go into all the trouble.

This is the worst thing in my opinion. This community is -sorry to say- FUGLY. It wasnt like this before, now it is a royal mess.

MY POINT EXACTLY:

Jassu1979 wrote...

Valkyre4 wrote...

yeah it seems you really tried hard to find reasons to hate the game. Good for you, hope you feel happy about it now.

My
my, what a belligerent response! Apparently, that's what I get for
trying to be nice and NOT saying out loud that I think you've got to be
an imbelice in order not to see the endings for what they are: a failed
attempt at being "profound" that pretty much broke the Mass Effect
universe.

If people can actually deal with some things and end their crusade, maybe, just maybe people will actually feel ok to express the reasons why they like the ending, without getting crucified in the process.

Edit: Oh and it is called "imbecile", you know when you want to insult someone, atleast spellcheck cause it makes you sound like the true imbecile out there...

Modifié par Valkyre4, 04 mars 2013 - 10:38 .

[Linkforlife]

Jassu1979 wrote...

The thing is:

People who do not like the ending can usually point out very specific critical issues that ruin the narrative coherence of the game.
People who like it, on the other hand, usually cannot go beyond saying that they enjoyed it, "and that's my opinion".

I like this human, they understand!

[UrgentArchengel]

Well, the ending isn't exactly lore-breaking. Think outside the box. Not saying IT, but unconventional thinking could help understand it better. Hint: Leviathan. It's just so out there with all the symbolism that it feels incoherent, and...off I guess. It could've been done better, and needing paid DLC for actual context is terrible.

[Indy_S]

abch4 wrote...

I don't get it, since when did you need a reason to like something. That's the problem here, everyone thinks some sort of micro-analysis of narrative is required to have an opinion. When in reality, it either resonates or doesn't, "I like the ending" is what it is, perfectly legit reply

"I like it" is not a constructive response. It lacks reflection. It is just as bad as "I hate it". Dedicating a thread to a non-constructive comment more often than not starts a non-constructive discussion. If reasons are provided by both sides, there is reflection going on and something much more useful to the developers comes out of it.

[Linkforlife]

Valkyre4 wrote...

Linkforlife wrote...

Something I notice about these "I like the ending" threads is that they do not give any reasons other than a very vague "I liked it."

Note that I am not a hater, nor a supporter of the endings, I have just accepted them as they are, though I am still a little disappointed in some things, ie. Rachni closure, as they see to disappear off the galactic map after Utukku (the non-Reaper Rachni anyway).

I'll tell you why that happens, because someone says "I like it" and then a barrage of ending hating posts comes out there to pretty much imply that "you didnt get it that is why you liked it", "good that you liked it now let us hate it" etc etc. Keep in mind that those examples are only a few and it is what was ACTUALLY POSTED here in this thread...

how can you express what you liked about it, when you know that there are going to be 238212320 following that will dissect your opinion, twist it, make it sound irrational that you liked it, make you sound stupid that you liked it etc etc...

I dont want to go over this.... its teh internet after all... you know "seriouz buzinezz"... so no... I aint going to do that. I am more than happy to elaborate on why exactly I like the ending and why it privided a solid closure to my journey and I can write pages about it, but this damned community is so hatefull towards anything and anyone that uses the words "like" and "ending" in the same sentence that you just dont want to go into all the trouble.

This is the worst thing in my opinion. This community is -sorry to say- FUGLY. It wasnt like this before, now it is a royal mess.

MY POINT EXACTLY:

Jassu1979 wrote...

Valkyre4 wrote...

yeah it seems you really tried hard to find reasons to hate the game. Good for you, hope you feel happy about it now.

My
my, what a belligerent response! Apparently, that's what I get for
trying to be nice and NOT saying out loud that I think you've got to be
an imbelice in order not to see the endings for what they are: a failed
attempt at being "profound" that pretty much broke the Mass Effect
universe.

If people can actually deal with some things and end their crusade, maybe, just maybe people will actually feel ok to express the reasons why they like the ending, without getting crucified in the process.

Edit: Oh and it is called "imbecile", you know when you want to insult someone, atleast spellcheck cause it makes you sound like the true imbecile out there...

Well said, I will give you that. It is unfortunate that these threads tend to get ripped apart by haters, but my original point is that I want to hear people's reasons for liking the ending, mind you, because of my schooling, I like to look at both sides of an argument and I can be neutral if the situation calls for it.

Modifié par Linkforlife, 04 mars 2013 - 10:43 .

[abch4]

Jassu1979 wrote...

The thing is:

People who do not like the ending can usually point out very specific critical issues that ruin the narrative coherence of the game.
People who like it, on the other hand, usually cannot go beyond saying that they enjoyed it, "and that's my opinion".

Indeed it is! But then do not expect us to take you seriously in terms of discussion. If you cannot support your position, it's really not worth considering.

There is no position to support. You like it, its an opinion. How can you not be taken seriously on that basis? Everyone who hates the ending feels people who like it need to justify it in some analytical manner, because that's all the anti-ending people do, pick pick pick holes. 

[Valkyre4]

Linkforlife wrote...

Valkyre4 wrote...

Linkforlife wrote...

Something I notice about these "I like the ending" threads is that they do not give any reasons other than a very vague "I liked it."

Note that I am not a hater, nor a supporter of the endings, I have just accepted them as they are, though I am still a little disappointed in some things, ie. Rachni closure, as they see to disappear off the galactic map after Utukku (the non-Reaper Rachni anyway).

I'll tell you why that happens, because someone says "I like it" and then a barrage of ending hating posts comes out there to pretty much imply that "you didnt get it that is why you liked it", "good that you liked it now let us hate it" etc etc. Keep in mind that those examples are only a few and it is what was ACTUALLY POSTED here in this thread...

how can you express what you liked about it, when you know that there are going to be 238212320 following that will dissect your opinion, twist it, make it sound irrational that you liked it, make you sound stupid that you liked it etc etc...

I dont want to go over this.... its teh internet after all... you know "seriouz buzinezz"... so no... I aint going to do that. I am more than happy to elaborate on why exactly I like the ending and why it privided a solid closure to my journey and I can write pages about it, but this damned community is so hatefull towards anything and anyone that uses the words "like" and "ending" in the same sentence that you just dont want to go into all the trouble.

This is the worst thing in my opinion. This community is -sorry to say- FUGLY. It wasnt like this before, now it is a royal mess.

MY POINT EXACTLY:

Jassu1979 wrote...

Valkyre4 wrote...

yeah it seems you really tried hard to find reasons to hate the game. Good for you, hope you feel happy about it now.

My
my, what a belligerent response! Apparently, that's what I get for
trying to be nice and NOT saying out loud that I think you've got to be
an imbelice in order not to see the endings for what they are: a failed
attempt at being "profound" that pretty much broke the Mass Effect
universe.

If people can actually deal with some things and end their crusade, maybe, just maybe people will actually feel ok to express the reasons why they like the ending, without getting crucified in the process.

Edit: Oh and it is called "imbecile", you know when you want to insult someone, atleast spellcheck cause it makes you sound like the true imbecile out there...

Well said, I will give you that. It is unfortunate that these threads tend to get ripped apart by haters, but my original point is that I want to hear people's reasons for liking the ending, mind you, because of my schooling, I like to look at both sides of an argument and I can be neutral if the situation calls for it.

I am glad you understand. And trully if you see my activity you will see that I was absent from this community a few months after the release of ME3. I was posting , expressing my opinion and what did i get a return? Total IMMATURITY, isults, sarcastic comments etc etc.

And well I said F IT, I am out of here. Now, 1 year later I come back and I see the EXACT same situation... i mean wtf is this??

It's like crazy, because I LOVE this game. I REALLY DO, and I WANT TO WRITE ABOUT IT.

But I just cant.... all this hatred all this insulting is just disappointing...

You drive away a large part of the community to the point that only people who have bad things to say are left....

Please realise this. I am not talking directly at you ofcourse, but about the general feel this community is echoing. There is just to much depression going on here.

Trust me I want to talk so bad about what I love about ME3 and ME in general that I am just afraid that if I do it, I am going to unleash the effin kraken and will have to explain myself to 34820323 people, while they try to convince me that I shouldnt like the game and will desperately try and destroy the experience.

I hope... I really do, that sometime I will be able to open a thread, express my opinion and not have to deal with all the hate.

[Jassu1979]

abch4 wrote...
There is no position to support. You like it, its an opinion. How can you not be taken seriously on that basis? Everyone who hates the ending feels people who like it need to justify it in some analytical manner, because that's all the anti-ending people do, pick pick pick holes.

Let's put this as simply as possible:
"I liked it, and that's my opinion" is not an argument. It's a statement of taste, nothing more, nothing less.
In a discussion, it is virtually useless, as there is literally nothing to discuss.

So, if somebody gives a detailed account of specific plot points, establishing why they do not make sense and/or are badly written, and you answer "That's just your opinion, and I loved it", you are not really making a point.
In fact, you might just as well not say anything at all, as you refuse to contribute to the discussion at hand.
You have not rebutted the other side, you have not strengthened your own position. You have *tried* to pretend that the argument of the opposition is just as non-existent as yours, but that's a rather ineffective gesture.


For what is worth, I AM interested to learn why people like the ending. I AM willing to concede the point if somebody could actually refute my criticism. Just do not give me that "I like it, that's it, case closed"-nonsense and expect me to take you seriously.

[Linkforlife]

Valkyre4 wrote...

Linkforlife wrote...

Valkyre4 wrote...

Linkforlife wrote...

Something I notice about these "I like the ending" threads is that they do not give any reasons other than a very vague "I liked it."

Note that I am not a hater, nor a supporter of the endings, I have just accepted them as they are, though I am still a little disappointed in some things, ie. Rachni closure, as they see to disappear off the galactic map after Utukku (the non-Reaper Rachni anyway).

I'll tell you why that happens, because someone says "I like it" and then a barrage of ending hating posts comes out there to pretty much imply that "you didnt get it that is why you liked it", "good that you liked it now let us hate it" etc etc. Keep in mind that those examples are only a few and it is what was ACTUALLY POSTED here in this thread...

how can you express what you liked about it, when you know that there are going to be 238212320 following that will dissect your opinion, twist it, make it sound irrational that you liked it, make you sound stupid that you liked it etc etc...

I dont want to go over this.... its teh internet after all... you know "seriouz buzinezz"... so no... I aint going to do that. I am more than happy to elaborate on why exactly I like the ending and why it privided a solid closure to my journey and I can write pages about it, but this damned community is so hatefull towards anything and anyone that uses the words "like" and "ending" in the same sentence that you just dont want to go into all the trouble.

This is the worst thing in my opinion. This community is -sorry to say- FUGLY. It wasnt like this before, now it is a royal mess.

MY POINT EXACTLY:

Jassu1979 wrote...

Valkyre4 wrote...

yeah it seems you really tried hard to find reasons to hate the game. Good for you, hope you feel happy about it now.

My
my, what a belligerent response! Apparently, that's what I get for
trying to be nice and NOT saying out loud that I think you've got to be
an imbelice in order not to see the endings for what they are: a failed
attempt at being "profound" that pretty much broke the Mass Effect
universe.

If people can actually deal with some things and end their crusade, maybe, just maybe people will actually feel ok to express the reasons why they like the ending, without getting crucified in the process.

Edit: Oh and it is called "imbecile", you know when you want to insult someone, atleast spellcheck cause it makes you sound like the true imbecile out there...

Well said, I will give you that. It is unfortunate that these threads tend to get ripped apart by haters, but my original point is that I want to hear people's reasons for liking the ending, mind you, because of my schooling, I like to look at both sides of an argument and I can be neutral if the situation calls for it.

I am glad you understand. And trully if you see my activity you will see that I was absent from this community a few months after the release of ME3. I was posting , expressing my opinion and what did i get a return? Total IMMATURITY, isults, sarcastic comments etc etc.

And well I said F IT, I am out of here. Now, 1 year later I come back and I see the EXACT same situation... i mean wtf is this??

It's like crazy, because I LOVE this game. I REALLY DO, and I WANT TO WRITE ABOUT IT.

But I just cant.... all this hatred all this insulting is just disappointing...

You drive away a large part of the community to the point that only people who have bad things to say are left....

Please realise this. I am not talking directly at you ofcourse, but about the general feel this community is echoing. There is just to much depression going on here.

Trust me I want to talk so bad about what I love about ME3 and ME in general that I am just afraid that if I do it, I am going to unleash the effin kraken and will have to explain myself to 34820323 people, while they try to convince me that I shouldnt like the game and will desperately try and destroy the experience.

I hope... I really do, that sometime I will be able to open a thread, express my opinion and not have to deal with all the hate.

We can only hope my friend, we can only hope. I would also love to open a thread to talk about the good things about the game/ending, but alas, there is too much negativity here on the BSN that all the good gets drowned out by the bad.

[Linkforlife]

Jassu1979 wrote...

abch4 wrote...
There is no position to support. You like it, its an opinion. How can you not be taken seriously on that basis? Everyone who hates the ending feels people who like it need to justify it in some analytical manner, because that's all the anti-ending people do, pick pick pick holes.

Let's put this as simply as possible:
"I liked it, and that's my opinion" is not an argument. It's a statement of taste, nothing more, nothing less.
In a discussion, it is virtually useless, as there is literally nothing to discuss.

So, if somebody gives a detailed account of specific plot points, establishing why they do not make sense and/or are badly written, and you answer "That's just your opinion, and I loved it", you are not really making a point.
In fact, you might just as well not say anything at all, as you refuse to contribute to the discussion at hand.
You have not rebutted the other side, you have not strengthened your own position. You have *tried* to pretend that the argument of the opposition is just as non-existent as yours, but that's a rather ineffective gesture.


For what is worth, I AM interested to learn why people like the ending. I AM willing to concede the point if somebody could actually refute my criticism. Just do not give me that "I like it, that's it, case closed"-nonsense and expect me to take you seriously.

Well put good sir/madam.

[Jassu1979]

Valkyre4 wrote...
I am glad you understand. And trully if you see my activity you will see that I was absent from this community a few months after the release of ME3. I was posting , expressing my opinion and what did i get a return? Total IMMATURITY, isults, sarcastic comments etc etc.

And well I said F IT, I am out of here. Now, 1 year later I come back and I see the EXACT same situation... i mean wtf is this??

It's like crazy, because I LOVE this game. I REALLY DO, and I WANT TO WRITE ABOUT IT.

But I just cant.... all this hatred all this insulting is just disappointing...

You drive away a large part of the community to the point that only people who have bad things to say are left....

Please realise this. I am not talking directly at you ofcourse, but about the general feel this community is echoing. There is just to much depression going on here.

Trust me I want to talk so bad about what I love about ME3 and ME in general that I am just afraid that if I do it, I am going to unleash the effin kraken and will have to explain myself to 34820323 people, while they try to convince me that I shouldnt like the game and will desperately try and destroy the experience.

I hope... I really do, that sometime I will be able to open a thread, express my opinion and not have to deal with all the hate.

We might have started off on the wrong foot (but keep in mind that YOU started it by attacking me). I'd actually be more than interested in discussing ME3 with you. Just don't give me that "you must have tried really hard not to like it"-nonsense.

[Indy_S]

Valkyre4 wrote...

I WANT TO WRITE ABOUT IT.

...and will have to explain myself to 34820323 people...

Interesting argument presented here. Wants to discuss something but is completely ruling out the possibility of discussion.

while they try to convince me that I shouldnt like the game and will desperately try and destroy the experience.

Understanding. That is what a lot of the people asking questions are aiming for. They want to understand why you like it and provide understanding for you of why they don't. Their belligerence is an issue but that is not a reason to dismiss their side of the discussion.

[Sheridan31]

ConanTheLeader wrote...

 I quite enjoyed the ending that I
was shown upon completing Mass Effect 3 last night. I did not expect it
to be bad, ...The result was the extended cut ending that was meant to
address these genuine issues fans had raised but I find it odd after
searching the forum for the past couple of hours that fans are still
quite unhappy.

 I got the "destroy" ending

Glad you enjoyed it, i expected that bad exspectation play a role in the ending experience.

The
extended cut was in deed important and good. There is no 2nd chance for
1rst impression thought. That might be one reason people can´t resolve
it emotionaly so far.

Most people took destroy, thats one of the
critics points, only a few see the other as real option. Not such a
difficult decision. Didn´t really care about mashine life (Geth) and EDI
only for here t**s

In the end starchild has the same motivation
as we do: Peace in the galaxy. Even thought his logic is ... strange, he
offers at least the good destroy option.

Whats odd is that
Shepard didn´t ****** at Starchilds leg. Hey, he is responsable for
killing tons of people, scaring the **** out of the galaxy and killed
beloved friends of my shepard!

So people direct / project their
unspoken frustrations on bioware / EA / Casey Hutson etc. since they
never got a chance to tell it to starchild or had the Extended cut right
away when we where super emotional attached to the ending.

Thx
for telling me one can enjoy the ending if the extended cut is in place
thought. I still have some words to tell to starchild thought.

Modifié par Sheridan31, 04 mars 2013 - 11:11 .

[abch4]

Jassu1979 wrote...

abch4 wrote...
There is no position to support. You like it, its an opinion. How can you not be taken seriously on that basis? Everyone who hates the ending feels people who like it need to justify it in some analytical manner, because that's all the anti-ending people do, pick pick pick holes.

Let's put this as simply as possible:
"I liked it, and that's my opinion" is not an argument. It's a statement of taste, nothing more, nothing less.
In a discussion, it is virtually useless, as there is literally nothing to discuss.

So, if somebody gives a detailed account of specific plot points, establishing why they do not make sense and/or are badly written, and you answer "That's just your opinion, and I loved it", you are not really making a point.
In fact, you might just as well not say anything at all, as you refuse to contribute to the discussion at hand.
You have not rebutted the other side, you have not strengthened your own position. You have *tried* to pretend that the argument of the opposition is just as non-existent as yours, but that's a rather ineffective gesture.


For what is worth, I AM interested to learn why people like the ending. I AM willing to concede the point if somebody could actually refute my criticism. Just do not give me that "I like it, that's it, case closed"-nonsense and expect me to take you seriously.

Exactly. It's not an argument, it's the anti-enders that see at as such! Always needing to try and rip apart somebody's reasons for liking something.

Somebody posting an opinion of taste is completely valid, and I'm not sure where you are getting the "rules of what can be posted" from. It's a legit thread, and that advice of "In fact, you might just as well not say anything at all," should be took from those who don't like threads such as these.

Forum is a discussion board, it doesn't mean every opinion has to have a analytical foundation that is prepped for "argument", as you kept saying.

I like the ending. Why? I just did, it catered to my tastes as did the gameplay. Sorry my opinion doesn't agree with yours, or have "facts" to back it up with. But It is what it is.

You act as if you can challenge somebody liking it by your criticism of the game. It's not nonsense, and you can take it seriously or not, that's your right. Just don't say people don't have a right to post here because they dont analyse the hell out of the game and justify to YOU why they like it.

Modifié par abch4, 04 mars 2013 - 11:12 .

[Valkyre4]

Indy_S wrote...

Valkyre4 wrote...

I WANT TO WRITE ABOUT IT.

...and will have to explain myself to 34820323 people...

Interesting argument presented here. Wants to discuss something but is completely ruling out the possibility of discussion.

while they try to convince me that I shouldnt like the game and will desperately try and destroy the experience.

Understanding. That is what a lot of the people asking questions are aiming for. They want to understand why you like it and provide understanding for you of why they don't. Their belligerence is an issue but that is not a reason to dismiss their side of the discussion.

If you consider 1 person explaining what he liked and that being followed by 10 people telling him he is WRONG to like it, sorry, that is not discussion. That is going to be me spending my entire day posting/explaining to each and every hater out there and counter argue all of them by myself. And there are too many haters and I have lots of better stuff to do than explain myself to each and everyone of them.

And for your consideration I DID try and do that in the past, my posts are still there somewhere lost (dont know if activity still shows them) and I ended up agruing with too many people who were trying to convince me I should hate it. 1 vs 1 is a debate. 1 vs 10 who dont try to indoctrinate you and brainwash you, can be considered discussion as well. Unfortunately that isnt the case here. It is 1 vs 10 who want to put you down the moment you say the words like and ending. It is "bullying", it is what this community has become.

But bits and pieces of what I think about all the plot holes" and so called "gallactic crime" are still here.

I just dont want to go over this again. I find it extremely immature how this community is dealing with anyone that says that he like the ending.

And I have to stress something here. I consider the "ending" of ME to start the moment you start ME3. The entire game feels like an ending. Its not just the final moments of the game, the entire ME3 is filled with conclusions over several aspects of your journey. Still cannot understand why the einding is considered the last 20 mins, but hey that is just the way I see it.

Modifié par Valkyre4, 04 mars 2013 - 11:12 .