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[Cloaking_Thane]

Would it be fun for people if I ran it in pugs and got ~200K plus each game?

Im genuinely curious, I've only taken her out for a spin twice and felt like teammates prob werent having fun.

[xtorma]

DoingItRight wrote...

i think the character is fine the way it is now, if people dont like her for whatever reason then dont ****ing use it.

is as simple as that

You don't understand IT WILL RUIN THE ENTIRE GAME. People will leave in droves like they did during the krysae infil crisis and they will have to shut the game down for evers! Look at the game now! every pug game on gold now has at least 3 aiu in it and they run around dieing all the time and just popping back up, while they get kill streaks constantly! You won't even get to fire a shot! you will have to play an aiu or you will get kicked from every lobby. Can't you see how dangerous this character is!

It must be nerfed. Nerf it like they nerfed the krysae, its the only way to be sure.

Modifié par xtorma, 04 mars 2013 - 06:33 .

[Original Twigman]

Heri wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

stupid status recognized

edit: shield regen is only good if it restarts its cooldown... which it does not

self rez doesn't even work off-host half the time

way to ignore the inherent fallacies in your opinion by throwing ad hocs

See, you're terrible because your arguments are grounded in outright lies.

Self-rez doesn't work off-host half the time? Haha, are you playing ME3 from the moon or something? Cause I can go for hours of playing with EDI and it doesn't work a tiny percentage of the time. Half the time is outright bollocks.

And shield regen doesn't restart its cooldown? What? Have you ever killed a Ravager and stood in the pool of crap it leaves behind or gotten bombed by its swarmers afterwards? Cause if you have, you'd know that you hear the sound when your shield gets popped play in rapid succession. Meaning the shield regen starts pretty much instantly.

So basically your argument as to why RM isn't overpowered comes down to a) ignoring the move speed increase and DR, and making up outright lies as to how both the self-rez and shield restore work. Sounds like a crappy ability to me!

more ad hocs....

... RM doesn't restart your shield gate cooldown... just like an extremely high recharge shield recharge speed doesn't...... its known....

in fact, there are several players on this forum that i have played with, first hand, watch me go down with RM and not get up, despite the animation saying its on....

besides, the purpose of nerfing is to stop a single factor  in the game from being overused.... i don't see how PUGS dying left and right is an overuse of "OP" ness.

[Cloaking_Thane]

Would a vorcha with auto rez be OP?

[Cassandra Saturn]

please, keep it civil

[Cassandra Saturn]

xtorma wrote...

DoingItRight wrote...

i think the character is fine the way it is now, if people dont like her for whatever reason then dont ****ing use it.

is as simple as that

You don't understand IT WILL RUIN THE ENTIRE GAME. People will leave in droves like they did during the krysae infil crisis and they will have to shut the game down for evers! Look at the game now! every pug game on gold now has at least 3 aiu in it and they run around dieing all the time and just popping back up, while they get kill streaks constantly! You won't even get to fire a shot! you will have to play an aiu or you will get kicked from every lobby. Can't you see how dangerous this character is!

It must be nerfed. Nerf it like they nerfed the krysae, its the only way to be sure.

calm down, it's not end of your life, relax, take a break from the MP

[xtorma]

Cassandra Saturn wrote...

xtorma wrote...

DoingItRight wrote...

i think the character is fine the way it is now, if people dont like her for whatever reason then dont ****ing use it.

is as simple as that

You don't understand IT WILL RUIN THE ENTIRE GAME. People will leave in droves like they did during the krysae infil crisis and they will have to shut the game down for evers! Look at the game now! every pug game on gold now has at least 3 aiu in it and they run around dieing all the time and just popping back up, while they get kill streaks constantly! You won't even get to fire a shot! you will have to play an aiu or you will get kicked from every lobby. Can't you see how dangerous this character is!

It must be nerfed. Nerf it like they nerfed the krysae, its the only way to be sure.

calm down, it's not end of your life, relax, take a break from the MP

I'm sorry, but this is way too important to the health of the game!. I must continue to fight against this travesty. there must be more threads! Don't you see......the game is doomed unless this charater gets nerfed! New people will never learn another thing again! We will become the laughing stock of the shooter community!

It's too much to bare!

Modifié par xtorma, 04 mars 2013 - 07:04 .

[Cassandra Saturn]

jesus... you play too much.. Xtorma

[Cloaking_Thane]

xtorma wrote...

snip

I enjoy the sarcasm, but...


Why have there been balance changes at all?

[demondioma]

AIU is not exactly special. Her cloak gives extra shotgun damage which is pretty sweet, but other infiltrators give extra damage for sniper rifles which are equality awesome/powerful weapons especially if your aim is good.
I suppose the whole fuss is about the Repair Matrix. I enjoy the extra speed when delivering a pizza but the instant revive... lol even I think that it's a bit too much.

I play with random people 99% of the time. I rarely ever see the AIU and if I do then they usually aren't very good and keep me on my toes with their constant deaths. It's annoying to say the least as the Repair Matrix seems to boost confidence.

Modifié par demondioma, 04 mars 2013 - 07:31 .

[Killahead]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

Would it be fun for people if I ran it in pugs and got ~200K plus each game?

Im genuinely curious, I've only taken her out for a spin twice and felt like teammates prob werent having fun.

Exactly. I tried her once, felt cheap, and decided to put her on the shelf. I would think that it's fairly obvious how a character which can solo gold with ease even in the hands of a mediocre player is going to hurt pugs, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

[P51Mus7ang]

Heri wrote...

So why is she a fun class for you? If you don't want her nerfed then that pretty much means she's fun for you because she's a godly character, not because you enjoy the playstyle that she brings to the table. Would you like a character that had the ability to one-shot any enemy at the push of a button? Cause that might seem fun to some too, but ultimately pretty terrible for the health of the game.

And if it's her playstyle that you enjoy (perfectly reasonable), then you shouldn't mind some tweaks to either her damage output or survivability to bring her more in line with other characters.

The only way an AIU can one shot "any" enemy would be with the Cobra, any kit can do that, this is not about a one shot enemy killer anyhow.

There are many things about this kit I personally find enjoyable, her movement and speed, snap freeze has always been one of my favorite powers which is why I play the Paladin often, the ability to cloak/snapfreeze retreat and shoot is awsome, he melee build is one of the most fun builds I have played with any kit. As far as one shot damage is concerned, she doesn't even come close to the GI. Aside from that I admired EDI in SP a lot, I posted back in I believe May, it would be a dream to have her in MP.

There is however a new kit that completly trivializes platinum and it isn't the AIU, however my attitude is whatever, they will get bored and move onto something else, but then again if people spend hours/days in a Rio box that may never happen.

The game is a year old, players who picked this up, say around Christmas, have a very long road ahead of them to unlock everything, if that is what they would like to do, if there is a kit that makes it easier for them, so be it, it doesn't hurt my game, I would add I built my manifest in bronze and silver, when I started gold it was around 80% complete.

A newer player may be able to get a higher score with this kit vs others no doubt, I don't personally care about the score, it doesn't factor into my having fun. If some new player thinks in their hand she (AIU) can outscore anyone, they are very wrong and in a friendly competition I would take them on using other kits, only because that belief is not correct, I do not see her as the highest DPS in this game.

I believe there are bigger things to worry about than this kit as she is not the only one that can make playing gold for example, easy.

[COLZ7R]

Anyone else been here from the start and heard the same stuff before? Aa,si,gi,kroguard,tgi,mqi and a pisspot full of weps have all "broke the game" drell "sucked" until people figured out you could nuke spawns. Dont mention the reload cancel boom stick though!! That takes soooooo much skillzzzz to aim, totally different to any other wep....honest

[Jaze55]

xtorma wrote...

Cassandra Saturn wrote...

xtorma wrote...

DoingItRight wrote...

i think the character is fine the way it is now, if people dont like her for whatever reason then dont ****ing use it.

is as simple as that

You don't understand IT WILL RUIN THE ENTIRE GAME. People will leave in droves like they did during the krysae infil crisis and they will have to shut the game down for evers! Look at the game now! every pug game on gold now has at least 3 aiu in it and they run around dieing all the time and just popping back up, while they get kill streaks constantly! You won't even get to fire a shot! you will have to play an aiu or you will get kicked from every lobby. Can't you see how dangerous this character is!

It must be nerfed. Nerf it like they nerfed the krysae, its the only way to be sure.

calm down, it's not end of your life, relax, take a break from the MP

I'm sorry, but this is way too important to the health of the game!. I must continue to fight against this travesty. there must be more threads! Don't you see......the game is doomed unless this charater gets nerfed! New people will never learn another thing again! We will become the laughing stock of the shooter community!

It's too much to bare!

I actually took you seriously for about 5 seconds. Then I felt stupid. Then I laughed. 

[Cloaking_Thane]

COLZ7R wrote...

Anyone else been here from the start and heard the same stuff before? Aa,si,gi,kroguard,tgi,mqi and a pisspot full of weps have all "broke the game" drell "sucked" until people figured out you could nuke spawns. Dont mention the reload cancel boom stick though!! That takes soooooo much skillzzzz to aim, totally different to any other wep....honest

AA- pre earth DLC- huge stasis nerf- BE damage nerf

SI- never nerfed but out classed in every way by GI, was a prior go-to class for gold

GI- still arguably the best char in the game- Responsible for TC nerf and HM nerf

TGI- free ops packs that boost weap damage nerfed

Kroguard- is broken vs geth specced right

MQI- responsible for Arc nade nerf in concert with demolisher

Krysae- literally broke the game

Destroyer+pre nerf typhoon + pre nerf pirahna broke the game on plat.

Sabatoge pre nerf broke the game vs geth

there is balance for a reason, otherwise it all becomes redundant and non challenging. I think RNG is partially to blame, but behing able to hack 8 geth at a time for like 30 seconds was broken. Fun, but broken.

[COLZ7R]

All those things happened but gotta disagree that they had "broke" anything. The "nerrfs never fixed things either, they either did bugger all or made it useless

[Killahead]

COLZ7R wrote...

All those things happened but gotta disagree that they had "broke" anything. The "nerrfs never fixed things either, they either did bugger all or made it useless

Nothing in that list is useless. Most of those kits/ powers/ weapons are still great, the sole exception perhaps being the Krysae, which I personally only started using after it had received all its nerfs and I don't think it is as bad as everyone says.

[Malanek]

It's only a good "Gold introduction kit" if they already have decent weapons. It's overpowered relative to other kits mainly in terms of survival, not natural killing power. Coupled with OP weapons it becomes extremely overpowered all round. If you don't have good weapons you are actually better off playing gold with a power based kit.

[Rodia Driftwood]

Feneckus wrote...

Remember at launch when extracting on Gold was an achievement you could be proud of ?

The good old days.

Lool, doing that back in the demo was so praised, you could farm FBW and pass as a skilled player.

[P51Mus7ang]

Heri wrote...

What she *does* need is her power toned down, either through reducing the effects of Repair Matrix or reducing her damage output. Neither one of those things would change her fundamental playstyle, so I don't see why you'd have concerns about a reasonable nerf.

It's true that she's not the only class that needs to be toned down, she's just getting all the focus right now because she's the latest and greatest thing.

For what it's worth I see far more Geth Jug's than AIU's in gold pugs, probably 3 to 1 and I play this game a lot.

IMHO, adjusting repair matrix will, at  least in my case, make no difference at all, if one is talking average score. I  have just over 30 gold matches with her, three very specific builds were tried. If score is a measurement tool, which it is to me personally (just my own so I know how I am doing with a kit), not taking the SG evo and running a Hurricane increased my average score over 10 games by just over 18k. As far a RM goes, I might use it 5 times a game if pugs, once or twice with friends, to me it's the ops pack that actually works, maybe some keep it active but that is gross overkill, not helpful to others on the team that may need grenades and simply not the way I feel she was designed.

The thing is if they tone her other abilities down, it is going to have a negative effect on other kit's that are not as powerful as she is.

The bottom line is BioWare stated several times during the livecast these kits received extensive testing to ensure balance was there, it's not the first time player experience with a kit was not even close to their testing experience.

I just came out of two random gold games, I had never played the Cabal prior to, my god she is powerful and very fun, I don't use average score in pugs as a measurement, I wait until I play with friends, but I was shocked at the end of the game and the score came up, by far the best I have ever achieved as a Vanguard.

If BioWare is going to focus on a broken kit, this is not the one that would be on top of my list.

I often think BioWare just can't win, what I mean by that is we have all complained about gold + pugs aside from skill it's generally the medigel issue, this kit should have fixed some of those issues but it hasn't, I am not sure if players do not understand how repair matrix and her powers works but In the aforementioned game a AIU level 20, just over 2k N7 and 12k CP, IMHO should know the game, on Goddess gold reepers, went down 3 or 4 times a wave starting in the 2nd, funny thing is they never got back up, I followed this player for part of wave 8, not once did I see them use snap freeze.

In closing I would like to think BioWare will let the dust settle, we have gone through this with many kits and weapons, problem is many after adjustments ended up broken.

[masleslie]

The real problem with this whole debate is the different perspective of experienced Gold/Plat players and less experienced Silver players.

G/P players say she is OP and should be nerfed. They then list all the other characters that make good Gold starters.

Silver players know they struggle on Gold with most of those alternative characters.

[Lucky]

masleslie wrote...

The real problem with this whole debate is the different perspective of experienced Gold/Plat players and less experienced Silver players.

G/P players say she is OP and should be nerfed. They then list all the other characters that make good Gold starters.

Silver players know they struggle on Gold with most of those alternative characters.

Have you ever considered that struggling is what teaches lessons and makes one get better and grow as a player? If you remove the struggle there is no need for growth.

She is not a "gold starter character" (and neither is the TGI) they are gold trivializer characters who remove the most of the challenge and in doing so most of the need to improve. 

People will still struggle to play normal characters when/if they switch to them and they may even have a harder time than they would've as they have been taught bad habits by their nigh invincible characters. 

[P51Mus7ang]

[quote]masleslie wrote...

The real problem with this whole debate is the different perspective of experienced Gold/Plat players and less experienced Silver players.

G/P players say she is OP and should be nerfed. /quote]

That is not entirely true, it's a small group. There are many of us gold and plat players with hudreds of games that feel it should be left as is, let the dust settle and see how this works out, knee jerk reactions rarely work.