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[stormrider1012]

I'm not one to call for nerfs but to be honest even if they remove the instant revive from RM, it would still be a top tier power. Speed boost, shield regen and damage reduction with no cooldown is powerful enough especially on a kit that already has cloak. I'm guessing the refillable medigels just really pushed it over the top.

Modifié par stormrider1012, 02 mars 2013 - 10:18 .

[Schachmatt123]

MajorStupidity wrote...

Why did we need another one of these damn threads. So many damn threads defending the AIU why?!

It's hilarious how people still insist that infinite free medgel isn't OP. Priceless.

Modifié par Schachmatt, 02 mars 2013 - 10:24 .

[Lucky]

This AIU defense that, "it helps player transition to gold" is ridiculous. All the AIU teaches new gold players is how not to bother with cover or soft cover and that dying has no penalty. It promotes bad play and will make these player have an even harder time transitioning to gold on any character but her.

She is top three on damage output in the game and far and away number one in survival. She is OP and deserves nerfed.

Also, stop crying that she will be terrible if nerfed. She is extremely good even specced out of reapir matrix entirely so it really doesn't matter how hard repair matrix gets hit with the nerf hammer.

[Draining Dragon]

Teratoid wrote...

ValorOfArms777 wrote...
she dosn't seem to even QUICKEN up games...she can in some facts.. slow them down <_<

...How?

Hmmm....

Maybe because she allows terribad players to survive indefinitely?

[Feneckus]

Remember at launch when extracting on Gold was an achievement you could be proud of ?

The good old days.

[Teratoid]

Draining Dragon wrote...
Hmmm....

Maybe because she allows terribad players to survive indefinitely?

Oh, that's what it meant. It came right after the skilled players choosing other classes remark, so I assumed the poster suggested that even in the hands of a skilled player, Edifiltrator is actually a slower killer than other classes. Which isn't what I've found.

Besides, the "terribad" players using Edifiltrator that I've run across usually die just when their Repair Matrix runs out, and bleed out instead of gelling. Like they feel they're entitled to a revive for running into a mob of mooks without preparing for it first.

And lets face it, the longer less experienced players stay alive, the easier, if not quicker, it makes the game. More active decoys for you.

[MajorStupidity]

Schachmatt wrote...

MajorStupidity wrote...

Why did we need another one of these damn threads. So many damn threads defending the AIU why?!

It's hilarious how people still insist that infinit free medgel isn't OP. Priceless.

It's not just that, RM gives bloodlust, fortification, and a speed boost all in one power along with self-revive. My vorcha can regen health, yet he has no DR yet an infiltrator not only gets a power that gives regen, but also up to 40% DR... I just dont know

[Lucky]

Feneckus wrote...

Remember at launch when extracting on Gold was an achievement you could be proud of ?

The good old days.

Yeah they truly were.

[Cassandra Saturn]

the point behind my OP is not about soloing or about kits i'm saying you can't call nerf for a character without understanding how she works.

[Draining Dragon]

Schachmatt wrote...

MajorStupidity wrote...

Why did we need another one of these damn threads. So many damn threads defending the AIU why?!

It's hilarious how people still insist that infinite free medgel isn't OP. Priceless.

It's even more hilarious when they claim we never give any logical or structured argument for why its OP.

[Battlepope190]

Nerf it or remove it. The entire thing is BROKEN.

[DivineAtropos]

I agree with the sentiment that the Fembot gives bad habits. I played her for a large stretch of games, then switched to a TSol. Sure, he's not squishy per se, but the whole "Stand here and shoot things with zero fear" mentality is bad.

As a highly skilled player though, the Fembot is absurd. I am unstoppable when I use her. In the hands of a noob, she's strong. In the hands of a good player, she's beyond God tier.

[MajorStupidity]

Cassandra Saturn wrote...

the point behind my OP is not about soloing or about kits i'm saying you can't call nerf for a character without understanding how she works.

I went into a game of platinum (and I am not a platinum regular) reapers on giant. Everyone else was dead on wave 10 and it was hack circle in the middle of giant. I managed to complete the objective without kiting any enemies away simply by dodging around and self-reviving well over 20 times in a couple of minutes... the class is absolutely ridiculous.

[Dunvi]

Cassandra Saturn wrote...

i'm saying you can't call nerf for a character without understanding how she works.

lolwtf

BTW to an earlier post, QMI is a good gold starter class (one of mine, in fact). Kroguard, TGI, AIU, and Juggernaut are less so all for the same reason - they will not teach you to handle the difficulty change, just trivialize it. QMI still needs to learn how to use soft cover, movement, and understand spawning. Those guys just let you screw up and recover. No. Take your beatings or you'll never learn.

[HolyAvenger]

Cassandra Saturn wrote...

the point behind my OP is not about soloing or about kits i'm saying you can't call nerf for a character without understanding how she works.

 

Why do you think people don't understand how she works:unsure:

[tjbearpig]

What I don't get is why people are crying over the AIU but not the Turian Ghost. Infinite medigel, infinite ops packs (respectively)

Recharging shields while cloaked? Ghost can do that with a stim pack. Plus, he gets a 1 sec invulnerability frames when the stim pack is used. >.>

Both characters have great survivability and damage output, but both characters can get staggered and insta-gibbed so they are not invincible.

The auto-rage-gel feature of Repair Matrix isn't really that great. Phantom's sword says hi -__-

[RoundedPlanet88]

Just going to say, The sheer number of threads that either attack/defend the AIU should let you know its OP, I don`t even remember this many threads about the original Krysae GI, and even the TGI never had this many in such a short time.

[MajorStupidity]

RoundedPlanet88 wrote...

Just going to say, The sheer number of threads that either attack/defend the AIU should let you know its OP, I don`t even remember this many threads about the original Krysae GI, and even the TGI never had this many in such a short time.

QFT! so sick and tired of these threads about the damn sexbot.

[UnknownMercenary]

tjbearpig wrote...

What I don't get is why people are crying over the AIU but not the Turian Ghost. Infinite medigel, infinite ops packs (respectively)

Recharging shields while cloaked? Ghost can do that with a stim pack. Plus, he gets a 1 sec invulnerability frames when the stim pack is used. >.>

Both characters have great survivability and damage output, but both characters can get staggered and insta-gibbed so they are not invincible.

The auto-rage-gel feature of Repair Matrix isn't really that great. Phantom's sword says hi -__-

Dodging while getting up says bonjour

Dunvi wrote...

Cassandra Saturn wrote...

i'm saying you can't call nerf for a character without understanding how she works.

lolwtf

BTW
to an earlier post, QMI is a good gold starter class (one of mine, in
fact). Kroguard, TGI, AIU, and Juggernaut are less so all for the same
reason - they will not teach you to handle the difficulty change, just
trivialize it. QMI still needs to learn how to use soft cover, movement,
and understand spawning. Those guys just let you screw up and recover.
No. Take your beatings or you'll never learn.

People have forgotten a lot of vanilla kits which work as good Gold starters. AA, any vanilla human kit except the Novaguard, either vanilla Krogan, SI, etc. They have strong powers but enough weaknesses that players need to adapt to the change in difficulty.

Modifié par UnknownMercenary, 02 mars 2013 - 10:45 .

[P51Mus7ang]

Cassandra Saturn wrote...

the point behind my OP is not about soloing or about kits i'm saying you can't call nerf for a character without understanding how she works.

Is this a troll post? Last time I checked you had what 100 hours in bronze/silver, and we don't know how this kit works?

I love the kit the way it is, it's a crutch for noobs at high levels and they have no idea how to make her stay alive, I like playing her because she is fun, I have played her with and without the matrix, it's doesn't make much difference to my game she is simply a very powerful kit, but she is not the only one.

[AkuIaTubShark]

tjbearpig wrote...

What I don't get is why people are crying over the AIU but not the Turian Ghost. Infinite medigel, infinite ops packs (respectively)

Recharging shields while cloaked? Ghost can do that with a stim pack. Plus, he gets a 1 sec invulnerability frames when the stim pack is used. >.>

Both characters have great survivability and damage output, but both characters can get staggered and insta-gibbed so they are not invincible.

The auto-rage-gel feature of Repair Matrix isn't really that great. Phantom's sword says hi -__-

Most people don't complain about the Ghost anymore because he was already nerfed (Which was stupid that people didn't see the Stim Pack nerf coming), and the only skill that can be altered for him anymore, without hurting other classes, is his Cloak, which can really only have it's 6B nerfed without making it completely different on ranks 4/5 then other classes. 

OT: The AIU is the most OP character in this DLC, and RM does need a nerf (Also: Shotguns didn't really need another 25% bonus in damage from Cloak, 80% way even to much imo). Personally, I don't even enjoy playing the sexbot because of how ezmode she makes Gold/Plat - even the Talon with how crappy he is makes it more enjoyable. However, it is sad that we'll have to wait 1.5 weeks until she's "re-balanced" or anything.

[Zjarcal]

stysiaq wrote...

No.

I'm fed up with EDImmortal Reetards in PUGs. It feels like GI+Krysaes everywhere all over again.

For all of the talk of PUGs being nothing but EDIs, I've yet to run into one pug with more than one AIU, yet this has been very common for me...



Ok, maybe not always three (two are extremely common though), but I've seen WAY more Juggernauts than AIUs.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 02 mars 2013 - 10:44 .

[Rebel_Raven]

Sorry OP. I'm not buying that one.

Lets get it out of the way that I don't believe she needs nerfing.

Fact of the matter is I really don't see her being so easy that someone with next to no experience, a katana, no consumeables, no gear, no bonus gear can walk into gold, and not be a massive burden to the team.

RM is not entirely a replacemt for medigels. It does make medigels less important, though.

If they weren't getting 2 kicks marks from the rest of the team, I'd leave. Simple as that.

An inexperienced, under equipped player is an inexperienced underequipped player no matter what class they're using.

Also, Yeah, I've seen lots and lots of Juggernauts. And I duoed silver/glacier/reapers successfully without dying with nothing but gear, and a melee mod on a pirahna while being so sleepy I was hallucinating intensely, and blacking out from being immensely sleepy. THAT was ezmode, honestly. Hell, I was surprised I made it out of that match as well as I did.

Modifié par Rebel_Raven, 02 mars 2013 - 10:46 .

[ZiRK]

She is THEE top choice for anyone looking to pug higher difficulties and make sure those OBJs/revives happen 100% of the time. I love knowing when I use her, I can do any obj and get my team those creds they are playing for.

[MetalDeggial]

I can't defend the AUI anymore. It's everywhere and it irks me now, since she renders all the other new kits, except for the Cabal, useless in a match.

AUIs with Reegars everywhere... Somebody stop them!