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[Maurader Sackboy]

I'd prefer my team  failing rather than have the AIU resurrect herself and win the thing if we simply weren't good enough. AIUs make players lazy.

Seems like those complaining about an "indestructible" AIU must not have actually played her yet. I got her recently and, as has been mentioned in other threads, the repair matrix seems a bit glitchy (or, I just haven't learned to use it optimally).  It's like having a few free medi-gels and stim packs.  Anyway , I respec'd for only 1st three ranks on repair since other ranks help more (e.g., weapon damage, cloak duration).

[krknight]

even with a decent nerf, she's still OP and would still be a good gold starter.

taking my 6/6/0/6/6 build specced out of RM, i wouldn't have any problems on gold. taking even just 3 points in RM will make the game a breeze.

i would personally like to see them drop the revive ability altogether. it's an ability i don't need, but i do understand that others might. if this is the case, then drop the shield regen/restore ability. the combination of both on top of everything else she has is just too much.

before anyone says "don't use her then," why should a character be open to only one group of people. i love snap freeze and instead of having only one character with snap freeze i enjoy playing, i would now have two. the speed boost from RM would really hype things up for me.

removing any two of the following (shield regen, shield restore, auto-revive, speed boost) would still make her an OP character.

edit:  even if she could carry only one RM at a time, she's still OP, but at least whoever is using her is forced to make a choice.  go replenish at an ammo dump, use a thermal pack, or stand and fight.  even if standing and fighting is the choice, she still has to go down twice.  going down once, then the 3 options are again available to her.  find an ammo dump, use a thermal pack, or stand and fight.

Modifié par krknight, 03 mars 2013 - 09:59 .

[ZiRK]

Killahead wrote...

Eelectrica wrote...

My stance to edibot would be completely different if it wasn't for troll rng store.
Sometimes an iWin character is exactly what's needed. Not all of us can speed run platinum in 8 minutes afterall. Now that's balance.

You make it sound like the whole point of this game is to earn credits. We should separate whatever issues we may have with the RNG from that which is important in order for the game to be enjoyable in itself. The reason I'm in favor of nerfing the AIU is the same as my reason for wanting the Krysae nerfed back in the day: Such "iWin" items impose the end-goal of earning credits as more important than enjoying the ride, so to say. A certain challenge level and sense of accomplishment is crucial in order for the ride to be enjoyable. When and if AIUs become as frequent a sight in PUGs as the Krysae was, then this end-goal is effectively imposed on everyone, whether they want to or not. I'd prefer my team  failing rather than have the AIU resurrect herself and win the thing if we simply weren't good enough. AIUs make players lazy.

Thats one of the dumbest thing ive heard on here, I wonder if the 3 people youre playing with feel the same way? You could try lower difficulties to increase your odds of winning, or just play with a group of friends and win every match anyway.

[Cassandra Saturn]

i agree, Severs.
it's very optional with everyone's choices they choose to go with.

[darkpassenger2342]

Rid of us this abomination in any way necessary.

[Djarknaein]

As usual bsn complains, bioware will listen and nerf her like they didi the krysae. Everyone will stop using her, the complains will stop but no one will be realy happy. Just like no one was happy about the krysae nerf. At least it's the last dlc, no more op kit.

[NucularPikinic]

masleslie wrote...

It's always going to be as popular as a fart in a spacesuit on bsn but i agree with OP. This is it as far as DLC goes and as far as i can tell statistically most players are still on Silver or Bronze. How is Bioware going to coax Silver players to step up to Gold (probably extending the viable lifespan of the game in the process)? I know lets give them some really powerful kit that any competent Silver player will be confident enough to tackle Gold with. You might not like it but it makes sense.

Backwards logic.

Trivializing the game by giving every player a crazy-good class that anyone with hands/eyes can use isn't going to extend the viable lifespan.

If anything, it will only shorten their interest.

[curly haired boy]

if you actually need repair matrix on the AIU to res you, you're not skilled enough to use the class correctly

take away the res, and she doesn't have any advantages compared to, say, a turian ghost.

and a ghost has arguably a better kit overall: great CC with chain overload, the best dodge in the game, tac cloak specced for harrier usage, and most of all, the ability to kill at a safe distance.

the ONLY reason bioware gave us repair matrix is because the AIU has shotgun cloak and they expect us to go down more in CQC.

[theonetruetom]

I just soloed up to wave 9 of a Silver match vs. Reapers on White with a level 1 AIU. 1 point in Repair Matrix, 1 point in Snap freeze, using a Piranha X with Shredder and a Choke, using the Berserker Package and I might have had AP 1 rounds on. Any argument against nerfing this character is invalid.

Edit:  Addendum:  I'm really bad at hit-and-run tactics.  If I hadn't had to use my missiles to take down banshees (or had expected to solo and used consumables or grenade capacity gear) I wouldn't have died on wave 9.  

Modifié par theonetruetom, 04 mars 2013 - 06:55 .

[curly haired boy]

theonetruetom wrote...

I just soloed up to wave 9 of a Silver match vs. Reapers on White with a level 1 AIU. 1 point in Repair Matrix, 1 point in Snap freeze, using a Piranha X with Shredder and a Choke, using the Berserker Package and I might have had AP 1 rounds on. Any argument against nerfing this character is invalid.

uh, silver solo is hardly proof that it's nerf-worthy, you can do that with pretty much any class

honestly i'd give up the bonus shotgun damage just so i can actually keep her as a gold-worthy melee class. side-kicking banshees all day

[Gravisanimi]

I wasn't sure until I came here, it revives you, like immediately?

That doesn't seem like a power problem, it seems like a player problem. I've been running the AUI on Silver for a while now, and I slap RM and boot it out of there or fight the enemy if they are weak or few enough. I would like to know how the nerfers suggest a reasonable and even nerf without it needing a buff later because all the other classes are a better choice.

[theonetruetom]

curly haired boy wrote...

theonetruetom wrote...

I just soloed up to wave 9 of a Silver match vs. Reapers on White with a level 1 AIU. 1 point in Repair Matrix, 1 point in Snap freeze, using a Piranha X with Shredder and a Choke, using the Berserker Package and I might have had AP 1 rounds on. Any argument against nerfing this character is invalid.

uh, silver solo is hardly proof that it's nerf-worthy, you can do that with pretty much any class

honestly i'd give up the bonus shotgun damage just so i can actually keep her as a gold-worthy melee class. side-kicking banshees all day

Soloing silver isn't the key point there.  Level 1 is the key point.  I'm barely good enough solo to conquer Bronze, and I admit it.  I can do Gold pretty competently, but I was in this match to level up so I can get N7 mastery because taking a level 1 to Gold is rude imo.  I wasn't expecting the host to leave on wave 1 and everyone else to hit B.  Also, noone else joined.

[stormrider1012]

curly haired boy wrote...

if you actually need repair matrix on the AIU to res you, you're not skilled enough to use the class correctly

take away the res, and she doesn't have any advantages compared to, say, a turian ghost.

and a ghost has arguably a better kit overall: great CC with chain overload, the best dodge in the game, tac cloak specced for harrier usage, and most of all, the ability to kill at a safe distance.

the ONLY reason bioware gave us repair matrix is because the AIU has shotgun cloak and they expect us to go down more in CQC.

Yeah, except you're not really required to CQC. Claymore and Wraith with SC mod are perfectly fine in midrange and the Crusader is pretty much a scopeless SR. Also, her debuff  can go through walls.
Also, we should remember that RM is not just an insta-revive. Its a speed boost, shield regen and DR power which is just as good or even better than the turian and can restore both shieldgate and healthgate (via insta-revive).
That being said, I'd still pick the ghost over her anyday solely because of  the jetpacks

[Lexa_D]

Cassandra Saturn wrote...

the point behind my OP is not about soloing or about kits i'm saying you can't call nerf for a character without understanding how she works.

Would the 4 gold extractions allow you to understand the game?

[darkpassenger2342]

Lexa_D wrote...

Cassandra Saturn wrote...

the point behind my OP is not about soloing or about kits i'm saying you can't call nerf for a character without understanding how she works.

Would the 4 gold extractions allow you to understand the game?

lol this guy has changed his name numerous times, but never changes his  sig, hes been proven to be a liar on multiple occasions.
he cant be too bright.

[Lucky]

Djarknaein wrote...

As usual bsn complains, bioware will listen and nerf her like they didi the krysae. Everyone will stop using her, the complains will stop but no one will be realy happy. Just like no one was happy about the krysae nerf. At least it's the last dlc, no more op kit.

They can lower the shotgun damage bonus on tac cloak, remove the autorevive and cut the shields restored and DR in half and she will still be a top tier kit. Stop your ridiculous doomsday prophesies. It doesn't matter how hard they nerf repair matrix, she will always be awesome.

Edit: Also, to those defending her based on the fact that she isn't better than the TGI (and I think she is) the TGI is a ridiculously OP kit as well and stim packs will always be OP. Both stim packs and repair matrix we awful additions to the game.

Modifié par rlucht, 04 mars 2013 - 07:35 .

[Stinja]

RoundedPlanet88 wrote...

Just going to say, The sheer number of threads that either attack/defend the AIU should let you know its OP, I don`t even remember this many threads about the original Krysae GI, and even the TGI never had this many in such a short time.

Bad argument.

There were seven (7!) pages almost solid when Tac Cloak got nerfed.  I counted them, and that was the most active discussion I remember on BSN.
Then when Volus got leaked /came out, that got a brief intense round of discussions.  But probably equaled the AIU I think.  

Are Volus overpowered?  With hindsight, was the TacCloak nerf a good thing?
I don't think sheer volume of threads is a good indication of OPness.

[theonetruetom]

I think the best way to fix this kit is to make the autorevive have a hidden cooldown of its own, maybe 3-5 minutes. And have it change the HUD noise's color when it's on cooldown. Orange, maybe, instead of green.

[darkpassenger2342]

Flaming Snake wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

Lexa_D wrote...

Cassandra Saturn wrote...

the point behind my OP is not about soloing or about kits i'm saying you can't call nerf for a character without understanding how she works.

Would the 4 gold extractions allow you to understand the game?

lol this guy has changed his name numerous times, but never changes his  sig, hes been proven to be a liar on multiple occasions.
he cant be too bright.

Apparently he's gone from being a guy, to a girl as well.

Also, he owns numerous fighter jets. He's totally legit. 

and a software company, and hes a computer designer, and a moderator on 10 other forums. dont forget a military officer.

[ScumbagVince]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

Flaming Snake wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

Lexa_D wrote...

Cassandra Saturn wrote...

the point behind my OP is not about soloing or about kits i'm saying you can't call nerf for a character without understanding how she works.

Would the 4 gold extractions allow you to understand the game?

lol this guy has changed his name numerous times, but never changes his  sig, hes been proven to be a liar on multiple occasions.
he cant be too bright.

Apparently he's gone from being a guy, to a girl as well.

Also, he owns numerous fighter jets. He's totally legit. 

and a software company, and hes a computer designer, and a moderator on 10 other forums. dont forget a military officer.

He's also friends with Katee Sackhoff.

[Mindfane]

I did my first Gold solo yesterday with AIU. I had failed previously with even the TGI. So I guess AIU is a easy mode character for those who cannot play Gold with other kits. And I have to admit, I wont be using her in other games because I do not like her playstyle. And I rarely see her in PUG lobbies (mostly its either the Juggie or Warlord).

So I think we can leave her as is

Modifié par Mindfane, 04 mars 2013 - 08:26 .

[AppealToReason]

I don't know. I seen lots of people screw her up and only a few do well. I didn't really score outrageously better than normal with the Pleasurebot versus like a QME or a Vorcha Sentinel.

[Ogelia]

 its rly common meet  on gold AUI with granede eqvip whim make crap dmg , its not skills what make  char OP its only  player what make it OP and ia still dont have problem outscore  AUI with my AV, and  i using extreme agresive build on it,    cout of melee and shotgun kill is mostly rly close and matrix mostly using for replenish shields byc with her dodgee is not big problem avoid  fatal dmg