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[kaileena_sands]

Archonsg wrote...

@kaileena_sands

Oh, I do understand.
I bought ME3 not caring a whit about Multiplayer, 1300++ hours later, ME3 MP is basically ME3 for me.

However, I would suggest holding back a wee little to see where they are taking MP to.

The biggest in thing for MP now are large multi-faction PvP, largescale battlefields where players will fight over territory control.

Overarchingly, it is also *all* about Micro Transactions.
You could spend what amounts to 10-20 hours of game play time to buy a new weapon upgrade, or spend $5.00 to buy one immediately.
To complicate matters more, tgey will probably make weapon specific upgrades "game credits" only purchases, which means that if you want to buy and upgrade a weapon using only in game earn game credits, you'll have to grind for it.

This, while hypothetical for Mass Effect : NextGen, is reality for a number of MP shooters *now*.

I am pretty sure this is the path Bioware is going to take.
MP is such a huge success for ME3, and the fans for MP they have garnered for the most part *are* competitive in nature (just read the MP forums) which would make this progression path very likely.

True dat. ME MP may actually be a bit grindy too right now, especially for the URs (if you're playing for manifest completion of course). I am pretty sure that whatever they choose for ME4, it will be guided mainly by the best for EA financial strategy. I hope they don't ruin it, because they did something really fun with the MP, and it will be sad for it to go to crap. However, it is not a secret that those microsactions from people bying packs with real money are what brought the free MP DLCs. If it weren't for them, we'd have never gotten the Hazard maps, the Collectors, the new characters. 

P.S. I laughed at the competitive in nature part.  Yeah, I actually spend most of my time in the MP forums (since I've always been afraid a bit of the crazyness in the SP ones). Not that the MP ones aren't crazy, but they are mostly childishly so - nerf this gun, PUGs suck, I am the most l33t player in the universe, and so on.  What I love about the MP is that it's co-op in nature, yet some people are determined to turn everything in a competition! There was one case when someone in my friendlist was bragging to me how well he "won" a match. And I was like - whaaaa, what did you win, you mean you extracted?  Good for ya! And he said - no, I beat my teammates, came up top score. Lol. Silly soul. <3

Modifié par kaileena_sands, 03 mars 2013 - 05:28 .

[Archonsg]

Here is what I suggest.
Watch what they do with immediate next game, a "Free to Play" RTS, Command and Conquer game and Ultima Forever a "Free to play" MMORPG.

It'll give you a good idea in which way they want their Micro Transactions model to go.

The upcoming DA:I would be rather interesting too in how they are going to handle story, narrative and player reward and investment.

[alsonamedbort]

I'm cracking up at the last couple of pages of posts. Some posters point out flaws in the surveys in the video. Others respond saying "well you need to provide numbers that refute it." Someone provides said numbers, same posters come in and attack the poll as biased and not worth considering.

[Archonsg]

alsonamedbort wrote...

I'm cracking up at the last couple of pages of posts. Some posters point out flaws in the surveys in the video. Others respond saying "well you need to provide numbers that refute it." Someone provides said numbers, same posters come in and attack the poll as biased and not worth considering.

Heh.

What is really funny is that no matter which side of the fence you are on, what really counts will be the next few big titles pre-orders.

Actually if we can get actual numbers of DLC sales for Leviathan, for Omega and for this coming DLC vs the actual number of copies ME3 sold, it would be a better indicator of the health of the franchise.

In both cases, numbers I am pretty sure Bioware won't release.

[kaileena_sands]

alsonamedbort wrote...

I'm cracking up at the last couple of pages of posts. Some posters point out flaws in the surveys in the video. Others respond saying "well you need to provide numbers that refute it." Someone provides said numbers, same posters come in and attack the poll as biased and not worth considering.

Well, from a researcher's point of view BW's poll about the EC meeting people's expectations is quite badly worded (and biased towards getting a positive answer out of people), don't you think? (not attacking you, just asking for an opinion) Plus, very few people would actually argue the EC was not an improvement, since it fixed a lot of ambiguous moments like where does your squadmates disappear before the beam, Joker making a run for the Mass relay, etc. etc.

[BirdsallSa]

I think it's time someone stood up to Clevernoob once and for all. I'm too swamped with my upcoming review to sort him out right now, but take heart bsn that Team BirdsallSa is putting together a rebuttal. I will keep the bsn posted as more details become available.
#Team BirdsallSa vs Clevernoob #Majority Likes The Ending

[Dr_Extrem]

BirdsallSa wrote...

I think it's time someone stood up to Clevernoob once and for all. I'm too swamped with my upcoming review to sort him out right now, but take heart bsn that Team BirdsallSa is putting together a rebuttal. I will keep the bsn posted as more details become available.
#Team BirdsallSa vs Clevernoob #Majority Likes The Ending

go do it ...

make a vid and show this guy, why you are right!

[Landon7001]

I hope some of these idiots who proclaim otherwise take a look at this information. Its not just this guy, virtually every fan i know personally or form this forum, lirtally every professioanl and fan reviewer on you tube and all other sites-THEY ALL HATED THE ENDINGS.....this is not complicated, this is a fact

[Bakgrind]

Landon7001 wrote...

I hope some of these idiots who proclaim otherwise take a look at this information. Its not just this guy, virtually every fan i know personally or form this forum, lirtally every professioanl and fan reviewer on you tube and all other sites-THEY ALL HATED THE ENDINGS.....this is not complicated, this is a fact

 I can agree with this statement. From all the web sites I have visted and everyone that I've come across to in person   not only finds fault at the ending, but throughout  the game. It's funny because some of them refuse to even give an answer as to why. They just shrug their shoulders and say "reasons'. There is in my eyes more evidence to suggest that more people dislike the endings than those that like it.

Modifié par Bakgrind, 03 mars 2013 - 06:34 .

[Neizd]

Don't worry op, pro-enders will never believe that all of those polls showed that ME3 ending is garbage. I remember that there were simple polls like:

Do you like ending:

- Yes
- No

and the "no" answer had more voters most of the time. One can argue that the "haters" are more vocal and the polls are not a good source of confirmation, but the truth is, bsn is main ME forum. All of those users are a valid representation of all ME fans. If majority of polls says that endings are a complete garbage, then it's true and they could be better.

Want proof? ME2 ending or ME1 ending. Not even one of them had a backslash of this magnitude. True ME2 terminator or Harbringer quotes weren't very good but the ending as a whole was great. Also the argument "the expectations were too high" is wrong, since many games had BIG expectations, and the game doesn't need to have "save import" option to get people hopes high. There are a lot of games out there with "2" or "3" in their title and those don't get endings so bad that the developer needs to create "extended cut".

[Sovereign330]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Sovereign330 wrote...

For about a month or two, they had a poll on their Facebook page that asked "Did the extended cut meet your expectation?" The options were
It exceeded my expectations
It met my expectations
It did not meet my expectations
I didn't play it yet no spoilers.

Why they took it down, idk. But the first two options combined outweighed the third option. It was a fair number of people who voted too. In addition, Merizan, Gamble, and Priestly were actively on their twitter accounts collecting feedback (cause it's their job). And there's an Extended Cut spoiler forum that they read through here collecting more info. This is what they do for a living. It's why we're getting Citadel which HEAVILY focuses on characters...one of the major pieces of feedback about the game. The Extended Xut was their response and not everyone liked it and that's okay...doesn't change that they DID respond at some point between 3/6/12 and 3/5/13.

Take that for what you will. While BSN is majority loaded with ending haters...that is not a representative sample in the least. These guys conducted both a formal poll on facebook and informal indidvidual feedback on BSN and twitter. As I said, would be a dead company if you were majority...they'd lose everything.

As for Clevernoob..I watched his hour vid...He sounds like he's talkin out of his a** and that he's still stuck in the past before 6/26/12 when nothing had been done. No credit at all. It's okay to say "Yea they tried but I don't approve" But to say they didn't listen and did NOTHING....naive at best.

EDIT: In addition, not everyone looks at ME3 in as negative a light as you. I know you feel at home here on BSN with your fellow critics of the game, but not all of us disapprove of what they have done with the product that is Mass Effect 3.

Ok, the problem is that all polls can be made to skew toward the response you want to get and worded in such a way as to not really tell you anything.  For instance, I expected nothing in the EC that I would like at all because I knew they would keep the endings they had created.  But, in all honesty it exceeded my expectations because it added some poignant content in that stupid Normandy evac scene.  The issue is even though that dialogue was great, it made the endings feel even worse to me.  The EC fixed nothing for me and I disliked it even more intensely than the original endings because it made it clear that this was BW's intended ending and it was set in stone, stupid as it was.  But, it exceeded my expectations even though I detest it.

Then, putting a poll on Facebook and gathering info on twitter-well, those places are culling responses mostly from people who follow them because they LIKE what they have done and LIKED the game.  Instead, they ignored polls that were created here that indicated an awful lot of people did not like the ending-and this place is the forum for actual owners of the game.  Someone might go on twitter and tell Jessica they just loved all of ME3 and so on, merely because they have at attachment to Jessica.  They may never even have played the game.  And here there should actually also be a large grouping of people that like Bioware and everything ME, but fans didn't widely love th ending, EC or original.

The questions asked were the wrong ones to ask.  The people asked were the wrong ones to ask-they don't know who responded to Facebook and twitter.  And BW didn't listen to fans in their own original endings we are listening thread and didn't listen to fans in the EC threads at all-the vast majority (I looked at every post in each thread) was not thrilled with the EC.  Most of the comments that tended toward liking it went something like this: "it was ok, not great and not what I wanted.  I'll live with it, but I'm done with ME and Bioware.  Deleted game from my computer."  And most were comments that ranged from the EC didn't fix things, it was a bit better, but not good.  People didn't like it and said it was like putting perfume on poo.

All along BW did have a way to get a random sampling-they have Origin and they know (if you allowed it) if you finished the game.  They don't know if you liked it but could have had a company cull random names from registered owners-include people registered here that have access to this forum and those who registered through Origin and ask them about the game. To date I am unaware of anyone having been asked by any company if they actually liked the original endings and then the EC ones.  And believe me if someone that didn't like them had been asked to take part in such a poll they would have said so.  Other companies do that-I get asked regularly by some other game companies where I've registered games to give them feedback. 

And before someone says that the information I've compiled in my head is just anecdotal and not scientific, well the same could be said of Bioware using Twitter and Facebook-there was nothing scientific about that.  Many people have no interest in using either of those two sites for anything and in order to participate in some activities that companies put out on Facebook you have to Like the company first which is then information that your friends get.  I don't want everyone knowing or having to hear aboiut the things I like all the time so I never "like" anything of Facebook.

To be fair I read A LOT of bashing on their twitter accounts...facebook is still going strong with both pro and anti enders at each others throats. i personally choose to not participate in the discussion..no need to...And second. I HIGHLY doubt the way youre wording it with skewing and all that was their agenda...they said ok you have expectations. They met them =yes i liked it and they did not = no i did not. That is likely how they interpreted as the majority of us looking at the poll would.

The truth of the matter is that this debate is even MORE pointless than the ending debate. We won't ever know for sure..but I'm certain that ther overwhelming majority (not on BSN but ALL mass effect fans) disapproved of the action Bioware took towards the ending controversy, they'd be a dead company right now or VERY close to it. This does not seem to be the case. Sure, they're experiencing losses from all of you wallet holders, but how much of a difference is it really making? Not enough to bring them down it seems...and I wonder if its because the majority...isn't really the majority you see it as. Majority BSN hates ending? You bet. Majority of the complete fanbase? Don't see it..when the company tanks...I will apologize to you...but until then, got no reason to shift my line of thinking.

Modifié par Sovereign330, 03 mars 2013 - 07:17 .

[IanPolaris]

alsonamedbort wrote...

I'm cracking up at the last couple of pages of posts. Some posters point out flaws in the surveys in the video. Others respond saying "well you need to provide numbers that refute it." Someone provides said numbers, same posters come in and attack the poll as biased and not worth considering.

That isn't what happened.  There isn't a publically available poll or survey that shows anything other than what noob has already said.  The only point of contention was that ME3 was nominated for some "reader" based awards but the methedology of how those are completely opaque and thus can not be considered data. (Ie we are given no actual information about how well liked or disliked ME3's ending was in these).

-Polaris

[tevix]

Neizd absolutely nailed it. Aside from the "It met most of my expectations" being a completely superfluous option to buff answers in their favor, the whole thing is funky.

As Neizd said it should simply have been:

Are you happy with the EC?

Yes
No

Would be a much different "minority" then.

P.S. I love birdsallsa
"Someone should give him what for! Not me though...I'm busy working on a review for something that's not out yet...."

[alsonamedbort]

Neizd wrote...

All of those users are a valid representation of all ME fans.

This is absolutely, unequivocally false.

[alsonamedbort]

kaileena_sands wrote...

alsonamedbort wrote...

I'm cracking up at the last couple of pages of posts. Some posters point out flaws in the surveys in the video. Others respond saying "well you need to provide numbers that refute it." Someone provides said numbers, same posters come in and attack the poll as biased and not worth considering.

Well, from a researcher's point of view BW's poll about the EC meeting people's expectations is quite badly worded (and biased towards getting a positive answer out of people), don't you think? (not attacking you, just asking for an opinion) Plus, very few people would actually argue the EC was not an improvement, since it fixed a lot of ambiguous moments like where does your squadmates disappear before the beam, Joker making a run for the Mass relay, etc. etc.

Oh I agree, that poll is ridiculously ambiguous and doesn't solve the question, but the other polls in the video were flawed in their own ways too, so what I was commenting on was how I think it's funny that the two sides are basically trying to have their cake and eat it too.

[Nerevar-as]

It´s pointless to argue. If ME4 is a decent game and bombs anyway, we´ll know the majority of players didn´t like the ending. This isn´t an election, absolute numbers matter more than percentages in the end. Fan polls can be biased, and BW confidential research nobody heard about asked about a very specific issue indirectly, which doesn´t sound very reliable either.

[Dr_Extrem]

alsonamedbort wrote...

Neizd wrote...

All of those users are a valid representation of all ME fans.

This is absolutely, unequivocally false.

why? .. is my fan-status in question, because i criticise their work?

[alsonamedbort]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

alsonamedbort wrote...

Neizd wrote...

All of those users are a valid representation of all ME fans.

This is absolutely, unequivocally false.

why? .. is my fan-status in question, because i criticise their work?

No, of couse not.  My point is that the BSN isn't a valid representation in that it's not representative of all people who play the game.

[Dr_Extrem]

alsonamedbort wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

alsonamedbort wrote...

Neizd wrote...

All of those users are a valid representation of all ME fans.

This is absolutely, unequivocally false.

why? .. is my fan-status in question, because i criticise their work?

No, of couse not.  My point is that the BSN isn't a valid representation in that it's not representative of all people who play the game.

that is true ...

only people who really care can stand this place.

[Nerevar-as]

alsonamedbort wrote...

No, of couse not.  My point is that the BSN isn't a valid representation in that it's not representative of all people who play the game.

You don´t know that. I don´t think being the kind of person who registers and posts in the official forums has any correlation to liking the ending or not. Of course, the fact we don´t know already makes the BSN polls not valid as we don´t know the "quality" of the sample.

[Jassu1979]

I'd be interested to actually see Bioware's numbers on this. The fact that they refuse to even talk to the fans about this speaks volumes, and has been a significant part of the problem right from the start.

I don't particularly cherish being talked down to, yet that's what Bioware did - when they bothered to even acknowledge the existence of their critics.

[tevix]

BSN is IMO a great represenatation of the base.

inb4 it's full of ending haters.

Maybe it's full of people unhappy with the ending because...the majority is unhappy with the ending? I see plenty of people praising it, being ok with it, and hating it in equal measure. I see plenty of praise threads and comments all over the forum, and lots of civilized thoughtful discussion of the game. This indicates a balanced population.

[alsonamedbort]

Nerevar-as wrote...

alsonamedbort wrote...

No, of couse not.  My point is that the BSN isn't a valid representation in that it's not representative of all people who play the game.

You don´t know that. I don´t think being the kind of person who registers and posts in the official forums has any correlation to liking the ending or not. Of course, the fact we don´t know already makes the BSN polls not valid as we don´t know the "quality" of the sample.

Yeah I should've been more precise with my words.  That's really what I was trying to get across.

[alsonamedbort]

tevix wrote...

BSN is IMO a great represenatation of the base.

inb4 it's full of ending haters.

Maybe it's full of people unhappy with the ending because...the majority is unhappy with the ending? I see plenty of people praising it, being ok with it, and hating it in equal measure. I see plenty of praise threads and comments all over the forum, and lots of civilized thoughtful discussion of the game. This indicates a balanced population.

In relation to the entire fanbase, it is very small and very, very vocal.

[dirtdiver32318]

Honestly I have given up fighting they are not listening that most do not like the ending. Accept it unfortunately we have too. To all those who like the ending and come on here just to bash those who don't I thought of let you know that you all are just being d bags and can't have a civil debate without bashing the other side and I'm calling you all something I can't type in here but it's the thought that counts have a nice day