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Dragoonlordz wrote...
Benchpress610 wrote...
iDeevil wrote...
You can beg all you wish.
If you are seriously going to suggest to me that the polls are getting the same traffic they were a year ago. Even a month ago, you'd be mistaken. People are voting in them because they are moving on.
There are very few hold outs still willing to go that extra mile - or step as it were - for a year old game.
I fail to see your point. A poll is poll, old or new. It still represents a small fraction of the fan base. All I’m saying is no matter how small that fraction is, it still shows the same results as a year ago, which is revealing, since as you correctly said, most anti-enders have probably moved on. Therefore, you would assume the balance must have shifted on pro-enders favor, and yet the polls still show an anti-ender majority.
All you have is a probability of it. You have to word it the right way.
Saying shows majority of fans dislike ending is wrong, it only shows a majority of those who voted dislike it and merely a probability that a higher percentage did not like it based on a poll. Like said earlier the "NotsoCleverNoob" and the OP made this same mistake. Saying you believe there is a trend is fine but what they have done by assuming because there is a probability; that the probability equals certainty and presented such as fact made them wrong and look very silly.
For example based on past evidence and history of Saddam in Iraq there was high probability of chemical weapons, this is not a factual statement; they went in and there was none so no matter how high the probability it turned out to be wrong. The OP and video claim such is factual based on high probability so in that case their statement is "Numbers Don't Lie: He has chemical weapons" of which they would be wrong just like now with regard to majority of fans...simply on the basis they made a factual statement about nothing more than probability.
Another example would be "75% of people in a poll voted in favor of candidate A over candidate B for the upcomming election", by the OP's and videos stance they would have said "Numbers Don't Lie: Candidate A will win the election by a landslide" when in reality Candidate B could win the election despite the poll. This again makes them wrong on the basis they made factual comment with reliance on probability and as always probability is not certainty; therefore cannot be used as factual outcome or evidence in making claims and statements.
Now if they had said "The majority in this poll disliked it, which leads to higher probability that more dislike than like", then they wouldn't of made themselves look so foolish. It also does not mean they are right. While the first part is accurate with certainty that within the people who voted on the poll the majority who voted disliked vs liked...it still remains merely a possibility and not a certainty that there is a probability of being more disliked than liked outside of the poll across the entire fanbase as a whole and which it might be true or it might not.
But as it stands right now their conclusion and statements are inaccurate, misleading, flawed and simply wrong.
I'm not trying to be mean or anything, I am just explaining why the OP is wrong and (not as clever as he thinks) CleverNoob is also wrong with his video. Trying to explain so you won't make same mistakes they did. To me you have not come across as aggressive so I have nothing against you, just trying to explain why many of us are trying to correct some misconceptions in this thread based on the OP's remarks and the premise of the video.
They are not wrong and you have failed to show that they are. Bioware shot themselves in the foot releasing the ending as it was. While many fans returned for the EC, many of the unspoken fan base who were very upset with the game simply did not give it another chance.
The point of a poll is not to show numbers, it is to get an idea about where a specific group of people stands on a topic. You can say that those polls don't represent the ban base but that is wrong. They do represent the fan base. Maybe 1 poll doesn't represent the complete fan base, but it does represent the specific fan base that the poll is targeting. I.E -- Bioware polls show than the BSN community dislikes ME3 endings.
The problem is, there is enough ME3 ending polls that span over many different gaming communities to show that the majority of the gamers do not like the ending post or pre EC. On top of this, these are not landslide polls. They are also not long polls with tricky wording intended to get desired results. They are simple polls that give you a yes or no option. Furthermore, 70% is not a landslide by any means. It is a clear majority. Clevernoob may not be the best at presenting his argument but he is not wrong in saying that the majority of ME3 fans are still disappointed by the ending. To believe otherwise, is ignoring the facts.
I'm sorry to say this, but it seems to me like you are taking the poor arguments that Clevernoob has made and using that to argue that his points are misleading and false. This is wrong. That's not an argument for your point, that's just 6 paragraphs of argueing that Clevernoob can't argue. Okay, you made your point, Clevernoob can't argue. That however, doesn't say that Clevernoob is wrong.
Prove to me that he is wrong and that the majority of ME3 players do like the ending.
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