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[zsom]

FlamingBoy wrote...

the method was fine, pretty standard actually, the sample method by its very natured is flawed

I agree he proved nothing, but he did show a correlation in the data, that is whats important

http://dilbert.com/s...mic/2011-11-28/  

[Brovikk Rasputin]

That guy has no idea what he's talking about.

[Clayless]

2 questions.

Is there a tl;dr version of that video?

And does his poll outnumber the Retake movement?

[Grubas]

Bedavenerabilis wrote...

Grubas wrote...

Bedavenerabilis wrote...

He didn'tprove ANYTHING- he just ignores the fact that none of this polls can be considered valid by any standard.

Further i am quiteshocked how long people can dwell on a GAME. Thats not healthy, seriously.

Because of the silent majority Right? RIGHT?

Because of the simplest rules of statistics. He is hypothesising cleverly based on the data he got, but its just wrong to consider this proof.

This are a hellot of votes. Even as a critic how can you not admit that it proves 'something'.
The negativity is really strong with this game. 

But compare it to the Gearbox-Forum. Negativity is high, but activity is already pretty low. I take from this that no one has any hope for Aliens:Colonial Marines.

As opposed to the situation we had MONTHS after ME3 release with constant faster-then-light-BSN.

Modifié par Grubas, 03 mars 2013 - 08:17 .

[Applepie_Svk]

McFlurry598 wrote...
I know how stats work, the sample is still way to small 

Yes because in my country with 2 millions of potential voters we are sampling from 800 thousand people to know the public opinion for any upcoming elections... just rly ? Most of the time we had a sampling created from the 500 to 1000-2000 most 10 000 of voters which showed every time accurate numbers +/- 2 %, that´s how sampling works...

At first you say that video is wrong because you don´t like it, and then you´re saying that you know how sampling works but again you also denied it by saying that sample is way too small...  have some dignity and start living by "the silence is gold"

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 03 mars 2013 - 08:21 .

[Dr. Megaverse]

As I've said before SHOW ME THE PROOF REFUTING THAT THE MAJORITY ARE UNHAPPY. Until then, all I hear are opinions. I've seen more than one source stating unhappiness is the majority, and NONE stating the opposite.

Show me the proof and I'm more than willing to change my opinion, I just don't believe the proof exists...


Show me the proof. 

Modifié par Dr. Megaverse, 03 mars 2013 - 08:36 .

[Darth_Trethon]

I don't think BioWare realize just how much their future as a company depends on this issue. Sadly at this point it seems set in stone that they are not fixing or changing anything else. They'll understand when it's too late.

[Applepie_Svk]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

I don't think BioWare realize just how much their future as a company depends on this issue. Sadly at this point it seems set in stone that they are not fixing or changing anything else. They'll understand when it's too late.

The funny is that they are not even able to acknowlendge of what went wrong with ME3, the ending was just a top of the iceberg but there is whole bunch of problems.

[Some Gamer Guy]

This video was less about fan reactions to the endings and more about CleverNoob displaying his disappointment at the lack of Indoctrination in the Extended Cut. I'd be disappointed too if I made a feature-length conspiracy theory documentary only to have it toppled in one fell swoop by the game developers.

I find it convenient that the single legitimate poll (one that weeded out spam and account duplicates as he himself stated), dealt with peoples' opinions on the IT, NOT the endings. Asking "would the Indoctrination Theory have been better than what we received?" is subtly different from asking "What was your opinion on the endings post-EC?" His cognitive dissonance probably forced him to ignore that tidbit.

Modifié par Some Gamer Guy, 03 mars 2013 - 08:48 .

[Dr. Megaverse]

Some Gamer Guy wrote...

This video was less about fan reactions to the endings and more about CleverNoob displaying his disappointment at the lack of Indoctrination in the Extended Cut. I'd be disappointed too if I made a feature-length conspiracy theory documentary only to have it toppled in one fell swoop by the game developers.

I find it convenient that the single legitimate poll (one that weeded out spam and account duplicates as he himself stated), dealt with peoples' opinions on the IT, NOT the endings.

 Fair enough.  Show me the data to refute the polls mentioned.

[Teddie Sage]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

That guy has no idea what he's talking about.

Keep telling yourself that.

[Clayless]

Dr. Megaverse wrote...

As I've said before SHOW ME THE PROOF REFUTING THAT THE MAJORITY ARE UNHAPPY. Until then, all I hear are opinions. I've seen more than one source stating unhappiness is the majority, and NONE stating the opposite.

Show me the proof and I'm more than willing to change my opinion, I just don't believe the proof exists...


Show me the proof. 

That's not how it works. First you'd have to show proof that the majority are unhappy before it could be refuted.

[Yaos]

So much people on this thread have no idea how statistics works.
All I'm hearing is "lol most people didn't give their opinion so they like it!" or "what about people that doesn't generally answer to polls!"

God almighty. I can't but imagine some office worker saying that at a work reunion.

[Dr. Megaverse]

Robosexual wrote...

Dr. Megaverse wrote...

As I've said before SHOW ME THE PROOF REFUTING THAT THE MAJORITY ARE UNHAPPY. Until then, all I hear are opinions. I've seen more than one source stating unhappiness is the majority, and NONE stating the opposite.

Show me the proof and I'm more than willing to change my opinion, I just don't believe the proof exists...


Show me the proof. 

That's not how it works. First you'd have to show proof that the majority are unhappy before it could be refuted.

fair enough.  Show me the data showing the majority are happy.

[Clayless]

Dr. Megaverse wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Dr. Megaverse wrote...

As I've said before SHOW ME THE PROOF REFUTING THAT THE MAJORITY ARE UNHAPPY. Until then, all I hear are opinions. I've seen more than one source stating unhappiness is the majority, and NONE stating the opposite.

Show me the proof and I'm more than willing to change my opinion, I just don't believe the proof exists...


Show me the proof. 

That's not how it works. First you'd have to show proof that the majority are unhappy before it could be refuted.

fair enough.  Show me the data showing the majority are happy.

If you're the one making that claim the burden of proof is on you.

[Dr. Megaverse]

Robosexual wrote...

Dr. Megaverse wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Dr. Megaverse wrote...
As I've said before SHOW ME THE PROOF REFUTING THAT THE MAJORITY ARE UNHAPPY. Until then, all I hear are opinions. I've seen more than one source stating unhappiness is the majority, and NONE stating the opposite.
Show me the proof and I'm more than willing to change my opinion, I just don't believe the proof exists...
Show me the proof. 

That's not how it works. First you'd have to show proof that the majority are unhappy before it could be refuted.

fair enough.  Show me the data showing the majority are happy.

If you're the one making that claim the burden of proof is on you.

LOL. Same old same old.  Show me the data supporting that the majority are happy friend.  Show me the data, or pack up your opinions, shut up and go home.  

Modifié par Dr. Megaverse, 03 mars 2013 - 09:13 .

[SyK18]

Dr. Megaverse wrote...

As I've said before SHOW ME THE PROOF REFUTING THAT THE MAJORITY ARE UNHAPPY. Until then, all I hear are opinions. I've seen more than one source stating unhappiness is the majority, and NONE stating the opposite.

Show me the proof and I'm more than willing to change my opinion, I just don't believe the proof exists...


Show me the proof. 

This guy...he makes sense.

[Clayless]

Dr. Megaverse wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Dr. Megaverse wrote...
fair enough.  Show me the data showing the majority are happy.

If you're the one making that claim the burden of proof is on you.

LOL. Same old same old.  Show me the data supporting that the majority are happy friend.  Show me the data, or shut up and go home.  

That's not how it works. If you make a claim, in this case "the majority are unhappy", but can't back it up that doesn't mean anyone that asks you to back it up should "shut up and go home", it mearly means you're making a claim that can't be backed up.

For example, every single being on Earth is going to be killed by Zeus soon. If anyone can find any evidence to refute this then I will stop believing it. If you can't, shut up and go home. Or, on the other hand, present evidence that Zeus wont kill every being on Earth soon. If not, shut up and go home.

[iDeevil]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

I don't think BioWare realize just how much their future as a company depends on this issue. Sadly at this point it seems set in stone that they are not fixing or changing anything else. They'll understand when it's too late.

i think you'd be surprised how little they are going to 'understand'. If by understand you mean they aren't going to have near enough future sales.

Places like this exist in a vacuum. They do not represent all gamers as a whole. Most times when people say'I am never buying from this company again', or 'this game is dead to me', they are melodramaticising their end game. People who have proclaimed Mass Effect is dead to them a) Keep posting here and have bought DLC content.  Not all, but a significant number.

These people are also likely to buy later games in the franchise or from the company.  It's like those who proclaim EA as he most evil company ever, and how you shouldn't buy from them.  I bet ya many are on the GYA5 waiting list.

Bioware don't need to understand what you think they do.  Fans need to understand that people in these forums are only a small sampling of all gamers.


*****


as for the 'majority' argument.  How hard is it to just SPEAK FOR YOURSELF. Unquantifiable backup from a horde of cyber people, on either side, shouldn't change what you as an individual do and do not like.

We can try and speak for a majority of folks ins vacuum.  Lets not pretend the speak for the majority of fans who play the game world over.

[Darth_Trethon]

This argument is futile.....ALL polls and feedback sources of any substantial number(BARE MINIMUM 1k) always show overwhelming negative reaction to the ending. Regradless of what you think of that video it provides something real....actual sources with substantial poll numbers in which A LOT of ME3 players voted.

I've yet to see one such source that gives overwhelming positive feedback on the ending with or without the EC.

[Dr. Megaverse]

Robosexual wrote...

Dr. Megaverse wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Dr. Megaverse wrote...fair enough.  Show me the data showing the majority are happy.

If you're the one making that claim the burden of proof is on you.

LOL. Same old same old.  Show me the data supporting that the majority are happy friend.  Show me the data, or shut up and go home.  

That's not how it works. If you make a claim, in this case "the majority are unhappy", but can't back it up that doesn't mean anyone that asks you to back it up should "shut up and go home", it mearly means you're making a claim that can't be backed up.For example, every single being on Earth is going to be killed by Zeus soon. If anyone can find any evidence to refute this then I will stop believing it. If you can't, shut up and go home. Or, on the other hand, present evidence that Zeus wont kill every being on Earth soon. If not, shut up and go home.

Without proof to refute the OP all I'm seeing is "Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah" 
SHOW ME THE PROOF TO REFUTE THE NUMBERS PRESENTED IN THE LINK IN THE OP. 
Otherwise end of line buddy 

[iDeevil]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

This argument is futile.....ALL polls and feedback sources of any substantial number(BARE MINIMUM 1k) always show overwhelming negative reaction to the ending. Regradless of what you think of that video it provides something real....actual sources with substantial poll numbers in which A LOT of ME3 players voted.

I've yet to see one such source that gives overwhelming positive feedback on the ending with or without the EC.

Yes, you're clearly right.  Internet polls which can be stacked are trustworthy and accurate.  Do you know the majority of Internet polls tend towards a negative response in most topics?  People who have a negative reaction are more inclined to express it then people who do not.

One thing the polls don't answer is *why* people are unhappy with the ending.  People seem to believe being unhappy should be enough for TBTP to rewrite and create a new ending.  But what's the likelihood that all people dislike it for all reasons?  What's the likelihood that if it changed the negativity to it would?

[Darth_Trethon]

iDeevil wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

I don't think BioWare realize just how much their future as a company depends on this issue. Sadly at this point it seems set in stone that they are not fixing or changing anything else. They'll understand when it's too late.

i think you'd be surprised how little they are going to 'understand'. If by understand you mean they aren't going to have near enough future sales.

Places like this exist in a vacuum. They do not represent all gamers as a whole. Most times when people say'I am never buying from this company again', or 'this game is dead to me', they are melodramaticising their end game. People who have proclaimed Mass Effect is dead to them a) Keep posting here and have bought DLC content.  Not all, but a significant number.

These people are also likely to buy later games in the franchise or from the company.  It's like those who proclaim EA as he most evil company ever, and how you shouldn't buy from them.  I bet ya many are on the GYA5 waiting list.

Bioware don't need to understand what you think they do.  Fans need to understand that people in these forums are only a small sampling of all gamers.


*****


as for the 'majority' argument.  How hard is it to just SPEAK FOR YOURSELF. Unquantifiable backup from a horde of cyber people, on either side, shouldn't change what you as an individual do and do not like.

We can try and speak for a majority of folks ins vacuum.  Lets not pretend the speak for the majority of fans who play the game world over.

The casual millions are long gone....they are the ones least likely to come back because they remember the bad and moved on without too much caring or emotional investment. ME4 comes out they'll just remember "Oh yeah, the last one sucked man I'm going for COD 17 instead.".....that's casual mentality and where the bulk of their sales come from. I cannot begin to describe how bitter I am over the ME3 ending mess but at the end of the day I am bitter because I care and have invested countless hours and playthroughs in the franchise....ultimately I am far more likely to cave in and buy their future products than the vast majority.

[Eterna]

Stop. Posting. This.

Bioware doesn't care.

[Dr. Megaverse]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

COD 17 

Haha. So true.