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[Clayless]

Dr. Megaverse wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Dr. Megaverse wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Dr. Megaverse wrote...fair enough.  Show me the data showing the majority are happy.

If you're the one making that claim the burden of proof is on you.

LOL. Same old same old.  Show me the data supporting that the majority are happy friend.  Show me the data, or shut up and go home.  

That's not how it works. If you make a claim, in this case "the majority are unhappy", but can't back it up that doesn't mean anyone that asks you to back it up should "shut up and go home", it mearly means you're making a claim that can't be backed up.For example, every single being on Earth is going to be killed by Zeus soon. If anyone can find any evidence to refute this then I will stop believing it. If you can't, shut up and go home. Or, on the other hand, present evidence that Zeus wont kill every being on Earth soon. If not, shut up and go home.

Without proof to refute the OP all I'm seeing is "Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah" 
SHOW ME THE PROOF TO REFUTE THE NUMBERS PRESENTED IN THE LINK IN THE OP. 
Otherwise end of line buddy 

That's not how it works, like I said, for someone to refute that "the majority are unhappy" there has to be proof that the majority are unhappy.

It comes back to the Zeus analogy. Show me proof that refutes that Zeus wont kill every being on earth. Otherwise end of the line buddy.

[Bedavenerabilis]

Dr. Megaverse wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Dr. Megaverse wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Dr. Megaverse wrote...
As I've said before SHOW ME THE PROOF REFUTING THAT THE MAJORITY ARE UNHAPPY. Until then, all I hear are opinions. I've seen more than one source stating unhappiness is the majority, and NONE stating the opposite.
Show me the proof and I'm more than willing to change my opinion, I just don't believe the proof exists...
Show me the proof. 

That's not how it works. First you'd have to show proof that the majority are unhappy before it could be refuted.

fair enough.  Show me the data showing the majority are happy.

If you're the one making that claim the burden of proof is on you.

LOL. Same old same old.  Show me the data supporting that the majority are happy friend.  Show me the data, or pack up your opinions, shut up and go home.  

You are circling as well... there is NEITHER proof that the majority are unhappy, NOR is there that it is happy with it- these polls simply can never be considered "proof". This statement doesnt necessarily mean that the opposite is right- it only states that we ALL are talking about theries. And as such all what anybody says about majority should be considered. Shame on those who claim they are speaking for the majority. On both sides. And that guy on the video. If he's as clever as he's pretending to be, he really should know better than doing it this way.

Modifié par Bedavenerabilis, 03 mars 2013 - 09:29 .

[Dr. Megaverse]

Eterna5 wrote...

Stop. Posting. This.

Bioware doesn't care.

Dude seriously if you're so over it move on and just don't post...

[Dr. Megaverse]

Robosexual wrote...

Dr. Megaverse wrote...
Robosexual wrote...

Dr. Megaverse wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Dr. Megaverse wrote...fair enough.  Show me the data showing the majority are happy.If you're the one making that claim the burden of proof is on you.

LOL. Same old same old.  Show me the data supporting that the majority are happy friend.  Show me the data, or shut up and go home.  

That's not how it works. If you make a claim, in this case "the majority are unhappy", but can't back it up that doesn't mean anyone that asks you to back it up should "shut up and go home", it mearly means you're making a claim that can't be backed up.For example, every single being on Earth is going to be killed by Zeus soon. If anyone can find any evidence to refute this then I will stop believing it. If you can't, shut up and go home. Or, on the other hand, present evidence that Zeus wont kill every being on Earth soon. If not, shut up and go home.

Without proof to refute the OP all I'm seeing is "Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah" SHOW ME THE PROOF TO REFUTE THE NUMBERS PRESENTED IN THE LINK IN THE OP. Otherwise end of line buddy

That's not how it works, like I said, for someone to refute that "the majority are unhappy" there has to be proof that the majority are unhappy.
It comes back to the Zeus analogy. Show me proof that refutes that Zeus wont kill every being on earth. Otherwise end of the line buddy.

Annnnnnnnnnnnd end of line.  Take care bro. 

[Darth_Trethon]

iDeevil wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

This argument is futile.....ALL polls and feedback sources of any substantial number(BARE MINIMUM 1k) always show overwhelming negative reaction to the ending. Regradless of what you think of that video it provides something real....actual sources with substantial poll numbers in which A LOT of ME3 players voted.

I've yet to see one such source that gives overwhelming positive feedback on the ending with or without the EC.

Yes, you're clearly right.  Internet polls which can be stacked are trustworthy and accurate.  Do you know the majority of Internet polls tend towards a negative response in most topics?  People who have a negative reaction are more inclined to express it then people who do not.

One thing the polls don't answer is *why* people are unhappy with the ending.  People seem to believe being unhappy should be enough for TBTP to rewrite and create a new ending.  But what's the likelihood that all people dislike it for all reasons?  What's the likelihood that if it changed the negativity to it would?

The EC certainnly showed some progress as dissent ent from ~90% to ~60%.....personally I think that if they allowed for a happy ending which is as simple as a 10 second reunion scene tacked on to the breath scene or if they allowed for a very difficult to achieve but possible successful refuse(nearly all war assets needed) the feedback would have flipped to overwhelmingly positive....people are not complicated, they want the characters they care about to win and be happy.

[Clayless]

Dr. Megaverse wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Dr. Megaverse wrote...

Without proof to refute the OP all I'm seeing is "Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah" SHOW ME THE PROOF TO REFUTE THE NUMBERS PRESENTED IN THE LINK IN THE OP. Otherwise end of line buddy

That's not how it works, like I said, for someone to refute that "the majority are unhappy" there has to be proof that the majority are unhappy.
It comes back to the Zeus analogy. Show me proof that refutes that Zeus wont kill every being on earth. Otherwise end of the line buddy.

Annnnnnnnnnnnd end of line.  Take care bro. 

I'm fine with ending it here. It didn't take me long to destroy your position, but that's what happens when you can't back up your claim and somebody asks you to, it falls apart rapidly.

[Jadebaby]

Robosexual wrote...

Dr. Megaverse wrote...

As I've said before SHOW ME THE PROOF REFUTING THAT THE MAJORITY ARE UNHAPPY. Until then, all I hear are opinions. I've seen more than one source stating unhappiness is the majority, and NONE stating the opposite.

Show me the proof and I'm more than willing to change my opinion, I just don't believe the proof exists...


Show me the proof. 

That's not how it works. First you'd have to show proof that the majority are unhappy before it could be refuted.

I have never seen even one poll that pros outweigh the antis... And that's not just from the BSN but many different gaming sites. And while it might not be definitive proof. It's proof enough for me. Also remember that just because not everyone goes on forums, doesn't mean that everyone who didn't likes the ending.

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

Are we allowing clevernoobs into evidence now?How can Bioware defend the ending against this kind of testimony?

[Dr. Megaverse]

Lol. The fanboi is strong with this thread.

[Eterna]

Dr. Megaverse wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Stop. Posting. This.

Bioware doesn't care.

Snip

Dude seriously if you're so over it move on and just don't post...

I delight in the irony.

I also look forward to seeing how else you'll embarrass yourself in this thread. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 03 mars 2013 - 09:39 .

[Clayless]

Jadebaby wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Dr. Megaverse wrote...

As I've said before SHOW ME THE PROOF REFUTING THAT THE MAJORITY ARE UNHAPPY. Until then, all I hear are opinions. I've seen more than one source stating unhappiness is the majority, and NONE stating the opposite.

Show me the proof and I'm more than willing to change my opinion, I just don't believe the proof exists...


Show me the proof. 

That's not how it works. First you'd have to show proof that the majority are unhappy before it could be refuted.

I have never seen even one poll that pros outweigh the antis... And that's not just from the BSN but many different gaming sites. And while it might not be definitive proof. It's proof enough for me. Also remember that just because not everyone goes on forums, doesn't mean that everyone who didn't likes the ending.

Proof enough for you is fine, but it starts turning into a "we're using dreams as evidence" sort of thing when you try using it as proof in public like Megaverse was.

[iDeevil]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

The casual millions are long gone....they are the ones least likely to come back because they remember the bad and moved on without too much caring or emotional investment. ME4 comes out they'll just remember "Oh yeah, the last one sucked man I'm going for COD 17 instead.".....that's casual mentality and where the bulk of their sales come from. I cannot begin to describe how bitter I am over the ME3 ending mess but at the end of the day I am bitter because I care and have invested countless hours and playthroughs in the franchise....ultimately I am far more likely to cave in and buy their future products than the vast majority.

This is all assumption.  There is no proof that the casual millions are gone and/or hated it.  There is proof a fair number of die hard fans who seeked out places to complain, or already members of them, didn't enjoy it.

The casual gamer, like the casual TV viewer is by definition casual.  They see, play, do and if the don't like it they move on.  It is very very rare for any of them to bother with the internet to voice their displeasure. 

[TheProtheans]

Don't bother telling the trolls, they can't accept facts.

[Darth_Trethon]

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

Are we allowing clevernoobs into evidence now?How can Bioware defend the ending against this kind of testimony?

Ironic you should use Saren's words....we all know how that turned out for him.

[Dr. Megaverse]

TheProtheans wrote...

Don't bother telling the trolls, they can't accept facts.

Seriously. Aside from the lulz i honestly can't understand the motivation. Of course some contrarians thrive here on BSN as it seems to provide an epeen boost.  

*shrug* To each their own I s'pose...

Modifié par Dr. Megaverse, 03 mars 2013 - 09:41 .

[UrgentArchengel]

Lol. This thread is just overflowing with pure negativity, and hatred.

[Eterna]

TheProtheans wrote...

Don't bother telling the trolls, they can't accept facts.

You know what the best part is? 

No matter how many "facts" or polls you have, you can't change anything.

Modifié par Eterna5, 03 mars 2013 - 09:44 .

[Clayless]

Also Megaverse just PM'd me to say he blocked me.

I'm actually surprised that asking for facts is considered a block worthy offense to some people. I hope I never get into a situation where I feel I have to block someone because they asked me to back up my claim.

[Dr. Megaverse]

I see now why threads get locked for straying off course. Lol. Sorry op.

[iDeevil]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

The EC certainnly showed some progress as dissent ent from ~90% to ~60%.....personally I think that if they allowed for a happy ending which is as simple as a 10 second reunion scene tacked on to the breath scene or if they allowed for a very difficult to achieve but possible successful refuse(nearly all war assets needed) the feedback would have flipped to overwhelmingly positive....people are not complicated, they want the characters they care about to win and be happy.

And you assume that adding that scene would create less desent.  Perhaps some people who liked the ending would become the desenters because they hate the changes.  Maybe the changes wont be enough.

Maybe people really wanted an option where you could create Reaper children.  Or an option where Tali becomes the Godmather and her little mob rules the galaxy.  The polls only say that those within that polls vacuum were unhappy; at that time.  It is far from proof that they still feel that way now. It's also far from providing a conclusive statement of *what* the problem was.

[Nicodemus]

There are lies, damned lies and statistics.

The fan base is guilty of reading into it's own polls what it wants to see and Bioware is guilty of reading into it's statistics what it wants to see.

Sadly no one is a winner in this scenario.

[Dr_Extrem]

jades polls are very intersting btw.


they are online for quite some time and only have about 600 participants. this can be interpreted, as a decline in participation on this board. every concerned member of this board, is going to vote, because he/she wants its opinion to be noticed.
this means, that fewer people frequent this board and those who do, still dont like the ending.

what happened to the rest? ... did they suddenly liked the endings or did they just left this board out of growing disinterest? why would somebody who likes the game, leave this board? 

imo, the majority does not care anymore.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 03 mars 2013 - 09:48 .

[Darth_Trethon]

iDeevil wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

The casual millions are long gone....they are the ones least likely to come back because they remember the bad and moved on without too much caring or emotional investment. ME4 comes out they'll just remember "Oh yeah, the last one sucked man I'm going for COD 17 instead.".....that's casual mentality and where the bulk of their sales come from. I cannot begin to describe how bitter I am over the ME3 ending mess but at the end of the day I am bitter because I care and have invested countless hours and playthroughs in the franchise....ultimately I am far more likely to cave in and buy their future products than the vast majority.

This is all assumption.  There is no proof that the casual millions are gone and/or hated it.  There is proof a fair number of die hard fans who seeked out places to complain, or already members of them, didn't enjoy it.

The casual gamer, like the casual TV viewer is by definition casual.  They see, play, do and if the don't like it they move on.  It is very very rare for any of them to bother with the internet to voice their displeasure. 

Actually there is.....there are only a few hundred posting on any given forum yet some polls garnered tens of thousands of votes....one had ~65k last I saw it. Those numbers are from casual fans who don't normally get involved or stick around that cared enough to go out and provide some kind of feedback. For every one of those there are A LOT more that just tossed the game in a corner and moved to the next game they had. So yes....the proof is there. Sure as hell A LOT more proof than you'll ever have....which at the moment is exactly none. And the fact that the numbers improved after the EC refutes your theory that only the unhappy vote. Just look at youtube as an example.....there are A LOT of videos with overhelmingly positive feedback so YES people do bother and are just as likely to vote if they like something.

[TheProtheans]

Eterna5 wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Don't bother telling the trolls, they can't accept facts.

You know what the best part is? 

No matter how many "facts" or polls you have, you can't change anything.

We can change the sales figures of future Mass effect games from what they would have sold.
We already it for Leviathan and Omega.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 03 mars 2013 - 09:50 .

[Eterna]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

jades polls are very intersting btw.


they are online for quite some time and only have about 600 participants. this can be interpreted, as a decline in participation on this board. every concerned member of this board, is going to vote, because he/she wants its opinion to be noticed.
this means, that fewer people frequent this board and those who do, still dont like the ending.

what happened to the rest? ... did they suddenly liked the endings or did they just left this board out of growing disinterest? why would somebody who likes the game, leave this board? 

imo, the majority does not care anymore.

DIsinterest. It has been a year, I'm surprised these boards are still as active as they are.