TheProtheans wrote...
Eterna5 wrote...
TheProtheans wrote...
Don't bother telling the trolls, they can't accept facts.
You know what the best part is?
No matter how many "facts" or polls you have, you can't change anything.
We already it for Leviathan and Omega.
Dr_Extrem wrote...
jades polls are very intersting btw.
they are online for quite some time and only have about 600 participants. this can be interpreted, as a decline in participation on this board. every concerned member of this board, is going to vote, because he/she wants its opinion to be noticed.
this means, that fewer people frequent this board and those who do, still dont like the ending.
what happened to the rest? ... did they suddenly liked the endings or did they just left this board out of growing disinterest? why would somebody who likes the game, leave this board?
imo, the majority does not care anymore.
Modifié par Robosexual, 03 mars 2013 - 09:52 .
Dr_Extrem wrote...
imo, the majority does not care anymore.
Nicodemus wrote...
There are lies, damned lies and statistics.
The fan base is guilty of reading into it's own polls what it wants to see and Bioware is guilty of reading into it's statistics what it wants to see.
Sadly no one is a winner in this scenario.
Eterna5 wrote...
TheProtheans wrote...
Don't bother telling the trolls, they can't accept facts.
You know what the best part is?
No matter how many "facts" or polls you have, you can't change anything.
Dr_Extrem wrote...
what happened to the rest? ... did they suddenly liked the endings or did they just left this board out of growing disinterest? why would somebody who likes the game, leave this board?
imo, the majority does not care anymore.
Nicodemus wrote...
There are lies, damned lies and statistics.
The
fan base is guilty of reading into it's own polls what it wants to see
and Bioware is guilty of reading into it's statistics what it wants to
see.
Sadly no one is a winner in this scenario.
Robosexual wrote...
Also Megaverse just PM'd me to say he blocked me.
Robosexual wrote...
Dr_Extrem wrote...
jades polls are very intersting btw.
they are online for quite some time and only have about 600 participants. this can be interpreted, as a decline in participation on this board. every concerned member of this board, is going to vote, because he/she wants its opinion to be noticed.
this means, that fewer people frequent this board and those who do, still dont like the ending.
what happened to the rest? ... did they suddenly liked the endings or did they just left this board out of growing disinterest? why would somebody who likes the game, leave this board?
imo, the majority does not care anymore.
Another theory is they left this board due to how toxic it is, and expressing a positive opinion on the end is usually derailed deliberately by those that have a negative opinion on it.
Darth_Trethon wrote...
iDeevil wrote...
This is all assumption. There is no proof that the casual millions are gone and/or hated it. There is proof a fair number of die hard fans who seeked out places to complain, or already members of them, didn't enjoy it.
The casual gamer, like the casual TV viewer is by definition casual. They see, play, do and if the don't like it they move on. It is very very rare for any of them to bother with the internet to voice their displeasure.
Actually there is.....there are only a few hundred posting on any given forum yet some polls garnered tens of thousands of votes....one had ~65k last I saw it. Those numbers are from casual fans who don't normally get involved or stick around that cared enough to go out and provide some kind of feedback. For every one of those there are A LOT more that just tossed the game in a corner and moved to the next game they had. So yes....the proof is there. Sure as hell A LOT more proof than you'll ever have....which at the moment is exactly none. And the fact that the numbers improved after the EC refutes your theory that only the unhappy vote. Just look at youtube as an example.....there are A LOT of videos with overhelmingly positive feedback so YES people do bother and are just as likely to vote if they like something.
Bedavenerabilis wrote...
Dr_Extrem wrote...
imo, the majority does not care anymore.
What in my eyes is the only right thing to do... and dont buy anyomre games from BW if necessary.Nicodemus wrote...
There are lies, damned lies and statistics.
The fan base is guilty of reading into it's own polls what it wants to see and Bioware is guilty of reading into it's statistics what it wants to see.
Sadly no one is a winner in this scenario.
I consider this one of the most reasonable statements relied to the polls/statistic "evidence" spoken about here so much...
Dr_Extrem wrote...
sure .. but the same thing can be said about the people, who did not kile the endings. "we" are also treated in a "toxic way" from people, who like the endings. both sides are equally toxic.
where are the people, who discuss topics, that are not ending related - like priority: mars - a good mission with very good ambient?
why is the "gameplay strategy and builds" part of the forum nearly deserted? this is a place, where people who like the game, would discuss the technical parts of the game. the "general discussion" is empty as well. the only forum, that is still humming, is the mp-forum.
this section of the board is not the only one.
people are no longer interested in the sp-part of the game. they are playing mp. their focus has shifted from sp to mp. this is a strong indicator.
Dr_Extrem wrote...
Robosexual wrote...
Another theory is they left this board due to how toxic it is, and expressing a positive opinion on the end is usually derailed deliberately by those that have a negative opinion on it.
sure .. but the same thing can be said about the people, who did not kile the endings. "we" are also treated in a "toxic way" from people, who like the endings. both sides are equally toxic.
where are the people, who discuss topics, that are not ending related - like priority: mars - a good mission with very good ambient?
why is the "gameplay strategy and builds" part of the forum nearly deserted? this is a place, where people who like the game, would discuss the technical parts of the game. the "general discussion" is empty as well. the only forum, that is still humming, is the mp-forum.
this section of the board is not the only one.
people are no longer interested in the sp-part of the game. they are playing mp. their focus has shifted from sp to mp. this is a strong indicator.
Eterna5 wrote...
TheProtheans wrote...
Eterna5 wrote...
TheProtheans wrote...
Don't bother telling the trolls, they can't accept facts.
You know what the best part is?
No matter how many "facts" or polls you have, you can't change anything.
We already it for Leviathan and Omega.
You have absolutely no proof of this besides your own interpretation. I implore you to show me Biowares sale figures.
Modifié par TheProtheans, 03 mars 2013 - 10:04 .
iDeevil wrote...
You may have missed it, but a fair few people from here, and in the comments of a lot of those polling sites, admitted to stacking the votes by voting as many times as they could using whatever means necessary.
They ADMITTED IT.
This does a couple of things;
1. It raises questions to the validity of the online polls that you are using as proof of unhappiness.
2. It does nothing to your assumption that casual gamers took time out from being casual to being an active member of the gamer environment, to vote on these polls.
Your assumptions remain just that, assumptions.
An non-gaming example is when a show kills off a well loved character. Fan boards are assulted by the indignant masses who have lost their favourite character. People swear they will never watch the show again, never watch the network again. THey swear up and down and round and round. Online polls, like the ones used here, prove that the 'majority' of people HATE that the character was killed off.
Next week. Ratings still good.
10 weeks later. Show renewed for another season.
Next season continues to rate well.
This is NO different. This is fans, die hard fans, thinking that they control more than they actually do. As much as it'd be cool if we did hold that power (for about 5 seconds), I'm really glad we don't.
Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 03 mars 2013 - 10:07 .
Some Gamer Guy wrote...
Robosexual wrote...
Also Megaverse just PM'd me to say he blocked me.
If only that energy had instead been spent on researching "burden of proof" and pondering the points raised against him that he formerly ignored.
Darth_Trethon wrote...
Actually the 65k vote I mentioned was here on BSN.....you can't vote more than once without creating another account and that is too impractical, tedious and time consuming for any real stacking or cheathing.
Same with youtube.
Modifié par iDeevil, 03 mars 2013 - 10:12 .
Robosexual wrote...
Some Gamer Guy wrote...
Robosexual wrote...
Also Megaverse just PM'd me to say he blocked me.
If only that energy had instead been spent on researching "burden of proof" and pondering the points raised against him that he formerly ignored.
He sent me another message and blocked me again after, I assume, he saw my message in your quote.
Blocked me because I asked him to back up his claim. Unblocks me to send me another message. Blocks me before I can reply. All because I asked him to back up his claim.
Modifié par Ralen1, 03 mars 2013 - 10:12 .
Robosexual wrote...
Dr_Extrem wrote...
Robosexual wrote...
Another theory is they left this board due to how toxic it is, and expressing a positive opinion on the end is usually derailed deliberately by those that have a negative opinion on it.
sure .. but the same thing can be said about the people, who did not kile the endings. "we" are also treated in a "toxic way" from people, who like the endings. both sides are equally toxic.
where are the people, who discuss topics, that are not ending related - like priority: mars - a good mission with very good ambient?
why is the "gameplay strategy and builds" part of the forum nearly deserted? this is a place, where people who like the game, would discuss the technical parts of the game. the "general discussion" is empty as well. the only forum, that is still humming, is the mp-forum.
this section of the board is not the only one.
people are no longer interested in the sp-part of the game. they are playing mp. their focus has shifted from sp to mp. this is a strong indicator.
Priority Mars threads can easily be derailed into ending threads due to the whole Crucible focus of it, and the fact it's not very liked on these boards compared to the other missions.
Another strong indicator that this place is toxic is all the awards, the reader voted ones especially, that ME3 won on other forums. Even Escapist, possibly the second most toxic place about ME3, reader voted it the best RPG of 2012. Out of THOUSANDS of votes there was about 100 between FC3 and ME3 on Gamespot.
People leaving BSN and ME3 winning numerous awards on other forums doesn't show that less people like ME3, it tells me that people leave this place because it's toxic.
SyK18 wrote...
Jamie9 wrote...
That post has 6 "I didn't like the ending" options, 1 "it was okay", and 1 "it was fine".
An unbias poll, this is not.
It's funny that you say this. The poll was created by a pro-ender (i believe he stated himself as one?). And its more like 3 pro to 4 anti (not counting that last one), but the amount of options don't change anything.
If there were 6 variations of "good ending" and 2 of "bad ending" the results would be the same.
Ralen1 wrote...
That poll can be seen as skewed, though I take it to be indicative of overall opinion. If people genuinely think the vast majority of players loved the ending or were the 'silent majority' that don't talk about it, yeesh.
Almost every Youtube video or article you can find has a comments section more than half-full of comments ****ing about the ending, about the Catalyst, about wasted potential. Bring it up in conversation with people at the workplace or in your group of friends and "Shame the ending sucked" or "I heard the ending ruined it" comes up without fail. This isn't a small handful of whiny people.
But, yes, back on topic. Since you can sometimes vote more than once on polls here, I choose to take a more loltastic figure. Go type 'Mass Effect' into the search bar on Facebook.
The official group: 75,000+ people subscribed to and liking it.
'Demand a better ending': 63,000 people subscribed to and liking it.
"SUPPORT MASS EFFECT'S ENDING": ...565 people.
Clearly these 565 are backed by a silent majority of millions, and the whiny minority of 84% of those who openly admit to liking the franchise on social media are just entitled brats with dozens of facebook accounts each.
Robosexual wrote...
Dr_Extrem wrote...
jades polls are very intersting btw.
they are online for quite some time and only have about 600 participants. this can be interpreted, as a decline in participation on this board. every concerned member of this board, is going to vote, because he/she wants its opinion to be noticed.
this means, that fewer people frequent this board and those who do, still dont like the ending.
what happened to the rest? ... did they suddenly liked the endings or did they just left this board out of growing disinterest? why would somebody who likes the game, leave this board?
imo, the majority does not care anymore.
Another theory is they left this board due to how toxic it is, as expressing a positive opinion on the end is usually derailed deliberately by those that have a negative opinion on it.
Dr_Extrem wrote...
i dont trust statistics but bioware makes a statement, we all have to take for real - without providing something solid. this could mean, that they are not even interested in solving this dispute.
iDeevil wrote...
Darth_Trethon wrote...
Actually the 65k vote I mentioned was here on BSN.....you can't vote more than once without creating another account and that is too impractical, tedious and time consuming for any real stacking or cheathing.
Same with youtube.
It's not that hard or time consuming to do it in either place. People ADMITTED to doing it. Admitted to devaluing the system, all to show Bioware how big they felt the problem was.
I can't imagine why any of the Retakers would lie about doing this, because to lie about doing something so stupid would make you look even more ridiculous.
Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 03 mars 2013 - 10:26 .
Robosexual wrote...
Jadebaby wrote...
Robosexual wrote...
Dr. Megaverse wrote...
As I've said before SHOW ME THE PROOF REFUTING THAT THE MAJORITY ARE UNHAPPY. Until then, all I hear are opinions. I've seen more than one source stating unhappiness is the majority, and NONE stating the opposite.
Show me the proof and I'm more than willing to change my opinion, I just don't believe the proof exists...
Show me the proof.
That's not how it works. First you'd have to show proof that the majority are unhappy before it could be refuted.
I have never seen even one poll that pros outweigh the antis... And that's not just from the BSN but many different gaming sites. And while it might not be definitive proof. It's proof enough for me. Also remember that just because not everyone goes on forums, doesn't mean that everyone who didn't likes the ending.
Proof enough for you is fine, but it starts turning into a "we're using dreams as evidence" sort of thing when you try using it as proof in public like Megaverse was.
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