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[Brahox]

wowpwnslol wrote...

I think it's a huge joke for Bioware to charge outrageous amounts of money for so little content. All of them can be finished in less than an hour and their main purpose is not to advance the story in a meaningful way, but to give player extra items. I can admit that Shale was moderately interesting - but then again they're planning on charging $15 for it, which is ridiculous. Don't get me started on RtO - they are basically recycling old stuff and charging for it. Oh wow, it has some new items. How amazing.

I think if the DLC's were free, it would really show commitment and dedication of Bioware to the community and encourage more people to buy this game. I think they could take a page out of Blizzard's book (free battle.net) on how to treat the fans of their game.

I dont know if this is been said in this tread but b.net 2.0 won't be free. Also they are charging for 3 different storys of SC-2 at full retail box price.((http://www.shacknews...article.x/55267)).  The 2 other factions storys should in with the frist just like in WC1-3 and SC no reason to split them up just to make more money. Blizzard hasn't know how to treat there fans in over 7 years. They know how to feed the money train Ill give them that. Don't get me worng I'm a pretty big blizzard fanboy but thats just mho. I guess you should say how old North Blizzard treated there fans.

Also I kinda agree that some DLC should be free. For one anything that was ment to be in the game at release like Shale. But something that had hard work and was finish after the game was done like Warden Keeps shouldn't be. I could be worng on when they where both finished but I think you get the idea.

Modifié par Brahox, 12 janvier 2010 - 07:48 .

[Dewnis]

I agree with $15 for that one DLC is extreme, since it's a very small add-on.
But i do think it's okay to take a small fee for the DLC that they release, if it's adding to the amount of gameplay hours in the game. Anything under an hour of extra gameplay shouldn't be worth over $2-5 in my honest opinion. 

Seeing as the original game is buyable for $39, and is if you do everything(and listen through dialogues and such) over 40 hours of gameplay

So if they want to charge $15 for DLC it should have content matching the price. For example, about 10 more hours of gameplay and a lot of other content, i.e, new characters, a few hundred of items, new levels etc etc...
Although, most game developers take out full price for games only 5 hours long(which is just idiocy). So 10 more hours is asking of much, but still at least 5 hours of gameplay.

Circaxx wrote...

if you can't afford to buy down loadable content your playing the wrong game in my opinion

This comment by Circaxx is probably one of the most stupid thing i've ever heard.

There is no "playing the wrong game" because somebody can't afford something. Not everybody has a bunch of money left over to buy games and add-ons for them. And the only reason for somebody to be playing the "wrong game" is if the game itself is not within the taste of the player, i.e. somebody who hates RPG's playing dragon age origins.

Modifié par Dewnis, 12 janvier 2010 - 07:53 .

[Magic Zarim]

Brahox wrote...

wowpwnslol wrote...

I think it's a huge joke for Bioware to charge outrageous amounts of money for so little content. All of them can be finished in less than an hour and their main purpose is not to advance the story in a meaningful way, but to give player extra items. I can admit that Shale was moderately interesting - but then again they're planning on charging $15 for it, which is ridiculous. Don't get me started on RtO - they are basically recycling old stuff and charging for it. Oh wow, it has some new items. How amazing.

I think if the DLC's were free, it would really show commitment and dedication of Bioware to the community and encourage more people to buy this game. I think they could take a page out of Blizzard's book (free battle.net) on how to treat the fans of their game.

I dont know if this is been said in this tread but b.net 2.0 won't be free. Also they are charging for 3 different storys of SC-2 at full retail box price.((http://www.shacknews...article.x/55267)).  The 2 other factions storys should in with the frist just like in WC1-3 and SC no reason to split them up just to make more money. Blizzard hasn't know how to treat there fans in over 7 years. They know how to feed the money train Ill give them that. Don't get me worng I'm a pretty big blizzard fanboy but thats just mho. I guess you should say how old North Blizzard treated there fans.

Also I kinda agree that some DLC should be free. For one anything that was ment to be in the game at release like Shale. But something that had hard work and was finish after the game was done like Warden Keeps shouldn't be. I could be worng on when they where both finished but I think you get the idea.

Some updates on Starcraft facts:

Each species' single player campaign is a full fledged story campain. They will all be simiar in length, each individual species' campaign being more than worthy of a game. They are actually 3 different games. However, for multiplayer all species are available regardless of the singleplayer game campaign. They aren't expansions, they're full games in their own right.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

wowpwnslol wrote...

Crimzon Nutcase wrote...


To get on topic however, Blizzard gets money from your subscription fees, from the add-on expansion packs, and from tools who buy server changes. Bioware doesn't charge you to play your game, they don't charge you for even a toolset to build new weapons and armor. However in order to produce more content they have to make more money from somewhere, don't they? Hmm yes they do. Free content like you propose isn't feasible, nor is it intelligent business practice.

Nice job derailing the topic to WoW. When I meant "free content" - I was talking about battle.net, Diablo 2 patches (new content for absolutely zero cost - they're going to release a new one soon, still supporting fans of a 10year old game) and Warcraft 3 patches (once again, new heroes for free).

But Bioware is charging us $5-15 for half an hour of content? No. I am not trolling, I am 100% serious. DLC's should be free. It's an outrage and an insult to be expected to pay for something you could cook up in toolset in 20 minutes.

REally? You can cook up all new dialogue in your tool set, or do you know Claudia Black personally to have her come to your house and voice Morrigan for you FOR FREE? 

[ToJKa1]

Magic Zarim wrote...

Concept of "Reap what you sow". By no means I am saying DA DLC should be free, but if it was, it would be a massive lasting product support builder. Not just to fans, also to new players to the genre/franchise. Things like this garner customer repect and THAT is what makes customers come back and pay attention to $$ vs X a whole let less.

Blizzard has this status with me. CD Projekt has this status with me. No other publisher/studio has. Any products I like of the aforementioned companies I would buy without hesitation.

Stardock too, they have released quite a lot of free content for the Galactic Civilizations games, Sins of a Solar Empire (1.1 patch had new models, UI improvements, new sounds and particle effects, etc.), and their newest game Demigod has gotten some new demigods for free too.

Maybe BioWare will have some new content in some upcoming patches too (like cloaks were added to NWN), but i'd never expect them to give something like Warden's Keep or Return to Ostagar for free. But i'm not paying those prices for them either, i wait the two years and get whatever collection edition that has all of them. Awakening and other possible expansions i'll buy before that, though.

[d0de]

I would venture to guess that the majority of people who have bought this game feel it was money well spent and have no issues with paying for additional content. Keep up the good work, I for one love everything about this universe you all have created and I am happy to give you my money.

[AtreiyaN7]

Aaaand I hope to get some Faberge eggs for free. Yeah, send me some now please, thanks. *sarcasm*

[Rwraith]

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

wowpwnslol wrote...

Crimzon Nutcase wrote...


To get on topic however, Blizzard gets money from your subscription fees, from the add-on expansion packs, and from tools who buy server changes. Bioware doesn't charge you to play your game, they don't charge you for even a toolset to build new weapons and armor. However in order to produce more content they have to make more money from somewhere, don't they? Hmm yes they do. Free content like you propose isn't feasible, nor is it intelligent business practice.

Nice job derailing the topic to WoW. When I meant "free content" - I was talking about battle.net, Diablo 2 patches (new content for absolutely zero cost - they're going to release a new one soon, still supporting fans of a 10year old game) and Warcraft 3 patches (once again, new heroes for free).

But Bioware is charging us $5-15 for half an hour of content? No. I am not trolling, I am 100% serious. DLC's should be free. It's an outrage and an insult to be expected to pay for something you could cook up in toolset in 20 minutes.

REally? You can cook up all new dialogue in your tool set, or do you know Claudia Black personally to have her come to your house and voice Morrigan for you FOR FREE? 

If you know Claudia Black, please send her to my house for some.....dialogue...ya..that's it...dialogue.

[catofnine]

wowpwnslol wrote...

I think it's a huge joke for Bioware to charge outrageous amounts of money for so little content. All of them can be finished in less than an hour and their main purpose is not to advance the story in a meaningful way, but to give player extra items. I can admit that Shale was moderately interesting - but then again they're planning on charging $15 for it, which is ridiculous. Don't get me started on RtO - they are basically recycling old stuff and charging for it. Oh wow, it has some new items. How amazing.

I think if the DLC's were free, it would really show commitment and dedication of Bioware to the community and encourage more people to buy this game. I think they could take a page out of Blizzard's book (free battle.net) on how to treat the fans of their game.

How about you work for free?  No?

Go back to trolling in WoW, or is there too much competition for you over there?

[steven20011]

I think stone prisoner was good price (got it free though).
But Wardends keep as fun as it is, it only takes an hour to complete, it was a bit expensive.
But I don't really mind to pay.

Modifié par steven20011, 12 janvier 2010 - 08:26 .

[RetrOldSchool]

Like someone said, Blizzard charges a monthly fee, since it's an MMO so there's really no comparison. WK was $7 and RtO will be $5.



The reason Shale was more expensive might've been as an extra incentive to buy the game new. I mean, they cut it from the orig. game but was finished with it in time. So they gave it for free to all people who buy it new (instead of getting it used or, even worse, pirated).



So, they have given away Shale + Blood Dragon armor for free + the DA-flash game items + the pre-order items if you pre-ordered. That's a whole bunch of free DLC.



I can admit that I would've loved for WK to be a little more fleshed out (especially the caves, the caves are talked about several times, so that would've been a no brainer to include as a short bridge dungeon). And they did drop the price from WK to RtO.



All in all Im glad they already have this DLC out, with RtO on it's way and even more with the expansion, with the game being out only 2 months.

[slikster]

To the original poster: Please tell us all where you work, so we can go there demanding free stuff. We might even become repeat customers, if we got free stuff from your company! You might not get a paycheque, but think of all us happy customers! Think of all that repeat buissiness!

[addiction21]

slikster wrote...

To the original poster: Please tell us all where you work, so we can go there demanding free stuff. We might even become repeat customers, if we got free stuff from your company! You might not get a paycheque, but think of all us happy customers! Think of all that repeat buissiness!

Maybe he works at the public libary?

[Deadly]

Get a job and shut up.

[slikster]

addiction21 wrote...
Maybe he works at the public libary?

So, you're saying that DLC should be taxpayer funded?  What a novel idea!

[TheGriffonsShallRiseAgain]

Sup3rBill wrote...

I don't agree that DLC should be free, but it should be utilized to provide something more tangible and not just a vehicle to strip a product down to pieces and charge for all the obvious things that should be included with the retail product *cough*PARTY STORAGE*cough*. Now that BioWare has been consumed by EA I'd stake my life that we'll see much more of this consumer abuse... unfortunately.

I agree with you completely, for example hasnt anyone wondered why in the past 5 years games have gotten notoriously short. I mean 40-30 hours of gameplay compared back to the good old days were you had to commit days upon days of gaming to beat a game is well cheap. Then final minute they strip the game of certain quests or items and sell em to you for more saying its DLC. Its not, DLC is competely made not something already in game that was locked away. Games should not come out with bugs either. Back in the N64 days the only bugs I encountered had to be precisely done or else you would never notice it ever! For example Majora's Mask(Zelda for those who dont know...but who doesnt really XD.) The two only glitches had to be done by process or else you would never know. And it had to be done by a game programer, one which let your horse in town other where you put on a special boss mask outside bosses. Not once did my game ever crash, or freeze unless it was damages or wet. Games today come with glitches out the waazu. My console copy of DAO has crashed 5 times right out of the box too. Not a week in and crash frozen screen, invisible characters locked doors, enemies dont die right away. I still dont say they shouldnt charge, I say they should not over charge like they did with Stone Prisoner, and they shouldnt charge for stuff that is already in the programing. Its Fable 2 collectors edition all over again and how they charged for a dungeon already in the game just to unlock the programing which I could do with an Action Replay.

[Bullets McDeath]

Everything should be free. Money is some ****ed up ****.

[TheGriffonsShallRiseAgain]

outlaworacle wrote...

Everything should be free. Money is some ****ed up ****.

which means your broke XD, im with you there lol (JK)

[Stanley Woo]

Let's keep the swearing and the name-calling out of the discussion, please.

[StartatZero]

And here we have another whiner, if you think the dlc is too much you shouldn't be buying video games. No one is forcing you to buy the dlc, there are also mods, or you can have fun making your own adventure with the toolset. Stop your whining or you might just ruin it for people who like bioware coming here and responding to the fans (who wants to go to a forum with a bunch of idiots complaining, I'm sure they don't). It takes money to make the dlc and if it was free soon their wouldn't be any dlc because bioware wouldn't have any money.

[Schneidend]

Bioware doesn't deserve to make money on something they've been developing for over five years! They'd be more profitable if they never charged anything for their goods and services, anyway! Duh.

[Wishpig]

wowpwnslol wrote...

So far nobody can come up with a reasonable argument as to why $5-10 for 40 minutes of recycled content or features that should have been included as quality of life is fair. It seems that people are simply content to kiss Bio's feet and accuse anyone who seeing through their money milking scheme of trolling.

Recycled content? Wtf man... I bet you didn't even play the DLC. Warden's keep was a good story, the location looked cool, and it gave some really cool blood powers to ALL classes (not so big a deal to mages, but AWESOME to have some mage like powers for rogues and warriors.)

So new story
New dialog (even companions)
New spells
Cool items

Not really the definition of Recycled.

I will say I thought it was to expensive, I would have gladly paid 3-5 bucks for it... but 7 seemed a little steep... BUT then we're agueing over a few dollars which isn't worth argueing over.

BUT I do see a problem in DLC costing more and more and more. I can't help but think one day content equal to Warden's keep will cost 10-15 dollars and that WOULD be a major rip-off.

[Angel_lord]

SarEnyaDor wrote...
oh... but if we build a small shack we won't need that free house anymore.... dilemma.....

Well, shouldn't we be getting someone  to build the shack for us be free too? I mean, come on, no one should have to pay for something as valueless as a  shack  for pity sake. . .

Modifié par Angel_lord, 12 janvier 2010 - 10:07 .

[Drasill]

Where do you live? The last movie ticket I bought was $6.50 and the last greeting card I bought was $0.77.

[mischief travvy]

didn't realize we were back in the 90's if a movie ticket was that cheap. take my husband, 2 kids and myself to the movies now its 30 bucks!