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[Fluffykeith]

Can't speak for anyone else, but the only DLC I downloaded for my first playthrough was the Blood Dragon armour...that's it...and the game didn't break. It's fully completable without the DLC, which tells me that the DLC is indeed extra, not just part of the original game that's been stripped out for special sale.



I don't see what's the big deal with paying for EXTRA content. It's like buying extra bacon with your burger. That doesn't make me a fanboy, just someone who doesn't expect a free lunch.



And "jelf rs", before you go chucking insults around, there's a very good post from one of the Bioware bunch, earlier in this thread. I suggest you read it

[SheffSteel]

The main thesis of this thread says, essentially, that EA will certainly get more from giving stuff away than they would from selling it; or, if such is not in fact a certainty, that EA should be willing to gamble that it will be so.

There seems to be a hidden assumption that EA can afford to give stuff away, that EA isn't losing money right now, and/or that companies generally aren't feeling rather cautious (if not downright pessimistic) in the current economic climate.



The rest of the thread is just people who want to believe, people who want free stuff, and people who want to whine.

[Sloth Of Doom]

Fluffykeith wrote...

Can't speak for anyone else, but the only DLC I downloaded for my first playthrough was the Blood Dragon armour...that's it...and the game didn't break. It's fully completable without the DLC, which tells me that the DLC is indeed extra, not just part of the original game that's been stripped out for special sale.

I don't see what's the big deal with paying for EXTRA content. It's like buying extra bacon with your burger. That doesn't make me a fanboy, just someone who doesn't expect a free lunch.

And "jelf rs", before you go chucking insults around, there's a very good post from one of the Bioware bunch, earlier in this thread. I suggest you read it

Pfft they totally made that burger with bacon, then took it off and charged you extra for it.

[Flinglam]

technically DLCS are free if you do buy DragonAge Origins, they can be found in the packaging inside the case.

[DarkwanderStorm]

this troll makes me think his this person

[GraceandGlory]

It should be free DLC's worth 1hour should not be 15$ or 6$ you're right

[FTA Talisman]

Well I don't know if I agree they should be free, but I do believe they should be knocked down on the price. Maybe $0.99 or so I guess for 30-60 minutes of game play.

[JBurke]

By some of your arguments, I should get free food and transportation from my university. I mean, come on, I paid for the semester and as thus I deserve the rest for free.

Really people, it's 5 USD for an hour of optional gameplay entertainment. If you want free content then use your free toolset. In the time some people complain about how expensive the content is, they could have gone outside and made that money from one of the myriad of money accumulating opportunities that exist in this current financial crisis such as creating your own cult, a Nigerian banking scheme or even selling your soul! I know, it's complicated.

DarkwanderStorm wrote...

this troll makes me think his this person

****in' epic!

[DoctorPringles]

Burke has a point. Bioware released a toolset for a reason, and that is so we can mod our own stuff, create our own adventures and make our own DLC's. The stuff they offer is just that, an offer, and it's not like they've taken away all fun just by charging for -their- DLC's. If you want free, use the toolset. Good on ya.

[Spectre_Moncy]

if Bioware wants us to pay for their DLCs, then who are we to stop them from doing so since they who gave birth to DA game,

[DarkwanderStorm]

JBurke wrote...

By some of your arguments, I should get free food and transportation from my university. I mean, come on, I paid for the semester and as thus I deserve the rest for free.

Really people, it's 5 USD for an hour of optional gameplay entertainment. If you want free content then use your free toolset. In the time some people complain about how expensive the content is, they could have gone outside and made that money from one of the myriad of money accumulating opportunities that exist in this current financial crisis such as creating your own cult, a Nigerian banking scheme or even selling your soul! I know, it's complicated.

DarkwanderStorm wrote...

this troll makes me think his this person

****in' epic!

much <3

but all aside the economy is still not good so i dont see why they would make it free so ya
plus like many have said it isnt much honestly i have had more fun playing this game then i do WoW i raid and get off thats about it cause i've done everything just about raiding is just repeated over and over and you can keep paying 15$ over and over just doesn't seem worth it.
It's just alot of humans like to be greedy is what it boils down to. (I'm not pointing fingers at anyone just saying in general)

personal i look at the full game as ice cream and the DLC's are the toppings 

Modifié par DarkwanderStorm, 13 janvier 2010 - 09:25 .

[cinderburster]

Personally, I don't mind paying for the DLCs. Bioware hires voice actors and lots and lots of writers and animators to make them, why should they offer it free? The prices they're asking are pretty damn cheap, considering how much other companies expect for premium content. It's not like it's game-breaking not to buy them, either. If they were really doing us a disservice they'd charge for them and make them necessary.

[jelf rs]

Abriael_CG wrote...
Oh don't worry about my language teacher, when you'll speak my language as well as I speak english you'll have something to be proud of

'til then, maybe you should realize that there's a big difference between being "fanboys" and giving credit where it's due. You seem to be unable to do the latter.

If you have a prejudice in Bioware's favour, there's really no point in arguing anymore.
I personally would prefer The Witcher to DAO but that does not have anything to do with this thread.
For you DAO maybe better than other games but this is of something personal value.
Someone may value a small locket given by his mother more than a large house. And a game with more budget doesn't mean it "must" be better than the others.
Here in this thread we are discussing the attitude of the developer rather than the quality of the game. But you keep praising how great DAO/Bioware is. That's why I found it meaningless to argue with you.

Fluffykeith wrote...
And "jelf rs", before you go chucking insults around, there's a very good post from one of the Bioware bunch, earlier in this thread. I suggest you read it

And for what I've said before, I would say it's a sarcasm more than an insult.

[Darkaine2]

I don't have an issue with buying dlc as long as they are priced appropriately and 5 bucks is fine by me for almost anything but I am easy to please. Given that I never even use shale I know I would have been upset had I paid 15 for stone prisoner but since I got it technically for free I can't really complain. I really don't get all of the complaints about warden's keep though, for the price I felt like there was a lot there. Maybe you didn't get the new party member or anything groundbreaking but I enjoyed the dungeon quite a bit. Plus I got to put my star metal to use on a very nice sword.

I think a lot of the uproar about the DLC is understandably because there was content you could buy from day one and that ruffled a lot of feathers. I never understood the decision to do that, sure it provided an incentive for impulse buyers like me to pick up the digital deluxe or to buy it from a certain retailer but at the same time we expect a game to launch with whatever you have ready for it. I also see the whole pre-owned console game side of it as well so that EA/Bioware picks up some money from that in theory. Whatever the motivation it wasn't a very good strategy to use because it just made them look greedy by charging for content on launch day.

Modifié par Darkaine2, 14 janvier 2010 - 03:23 .

[revnant31]

wowpwnslol wrote...

DLAN_Immortality wrote...

ZZZZ

Okay, you know Bioware is being really nice by making DLCs right? Because they could do what everybody else does, which is release the game and release bug fixing patches and forget about everything else.

Why do we always want MOAR and MOAR ? >:-[ You don't really need to buy them, you know. Just play the vanilla game and have fun.

See that's what I am talking about. You're being a submissive fanboi, if you really belive what you just written. You're actually praising Bio for releasing game without bugs? Really? It's something that should have been done in the first place - and they let gamebreaking dex bug to go live after years of development. And sycophants like you still praise them. Sad.

The praising of Bioware from the many fans is well deserved (and theres a reason for this), Bioware is responsible for making some of the best and deepest story driven cRPG's for the pc market for a long time now so respect to them and their reputation is more than earned.  Now if your a console player i can understand that Bioware is an sort of and unfamiliar company to some in your point of view as it's kind of a new market for them.

As far as you thinking the DLC should be free...why, it takes time to make new content from scratch plus hire the voice actors, artists, time and labor etc...so their has to be money made from this new official content, and $5 isnt what i consider loads of amounts of money.  What game can you name where any official DLC is free anyway. 

This is where your CHOICE comes in and decide whether to purchase it or not, its not forced on you.  

[addiction21]

Darkaine2 wrote...

Given that I never even use shale I know I would have been upset had I paid 15 for stone prisoner but since I got it technically for free I can't really complain.
Whatever the motivation it wasn't a very good strategy to use because it just made them look greedy by charging for content on launch day.

How was Stone Prisoner "technically" free? Did you have to give them your soul too?

Well it is in the eye of the beholder. As someone that followed the development of this game it was known in advanced that the game had been postponed about 6 months and they used that time to get some of the extra content up and running for launch. Now some like to say that it was content cut from the game. So I point them to the stone prisoner. Something they wanted to include in the full game but were unable to so they made it free with every new game purchased. That does not sound all that greedy.  They very well could of just nixed that idea and charged everyone for it.  Many seem to like to over look that little tid bit.
Now Wardens Keep was always ment to be a DLC and what would the difference have been if they waited a month? Look at RtO and imagine the outcry if it was known they had a completed DLC and held it back.
As for the worth of these things that is in the eye of the beholder.
(no malice or anything intended just saying)

Modifié par addiction21, 14 janvier 2010 - 03:55 .

[ChaoticBroth]

I don't know if anyone's said this, but this is what I think (about everyone that's complaining about the DLC not being free.)



If you have the time to be able to complain this much about why the DLC isn't free, then why don't you take that time, and spend it working or doing something more productive? I mean, it would definitely go towards the money it would take to purchase the DLC, right?



Keep in mind that BioWare employees also have to make a living. They can't hand over products to you for free. That's like someone commanding you to clean up the local Wal-Mart, and after you're done, they deny you any pay. An outrage? Definitely.



And it's really your choice, too. You can get by without buying RtO/WK/SP. I didn't buy RtO. I don't plan on buying it. The universe isn't going to implode if I don't buy it (I hope not), so why complain about something optional?

[DoctorPringles]

Pretty much everything's already been said, so there's really no point in worrying about repeats. =P

[ChaoticBroth]

Good point.

[FlintlockJazz]

Treavor647 wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Have I said that I'm against paying for dlc?  No, I am merely pointing out that the people complaining about the cost are not all jobless layabouts but are just concerned that they are not getting their value for their buck, but thanks for making the assumption that I want it free, cheers for that.

I did not have to assume that you wanted it free.  The fact that you are concerned of the 5 buck price tag being too expensive and worried that  you are not getting the value that you should gave me that impression easily. As to stay on the subject of the topic which is "DLC's should be free",  you made the statement that you value your paycheck, well so does bioware.  And since you would not go to work for free, neither would they.

Really?  The fact that I repeatedly stated that I did not want it for free did not prove otherwise?  Mate, I have explained that I am willing to pay Bioware so they can feed their kids for when the produce something worthy of the price, so stop making up bull**** okay?  I have repeatedly stated that I value their work and will pay what I think it's worth, so saying otherwise is just you trying to cloud the issue in order to 'wins the internetz' or just being stupid, your choice.

As to why I think people get upset at the high prices and people buying it?  Well, consider this: had no one complained about the horse armour do you think Bethesda would have released anything more meaty?  Or would they have just started pouring out overpriced items like 'horse shoes' instead?  I want meaty dlc, I would pay alot more than $5 for dlc that delivered that meatiness.  Until I see that, I will not buy it.

[ArathWoeeye]

One more thing.

Supplying new content for a multiplayer game is different from supplying new content from a single player game. How many companies actually supply free new content for their SINGLE PLAYER games? I can't think of any. 
And I mean something other than a map or two for strategy games. Only example I thought was the warcraft III: FoT orc campaign, 2 episodes.

People keep talking about Valve but I don't remember any contribution to half-life on single player campaign. 
And no, that one map is a tech-demo, it's not a game content.

[cal88005]

As a former player of WoW, (5 years of my life I will never get back). I can say that 5-10 bucks every now and then for extra content on a game that I have enjoyed playing, and plan to re-play on many other characters trying diferent options with talents and specializations for each class, is not that bad. 5 years on WoW equals out to about $900 in subscription fees alone plus the extra $40 a pop for the Burning Crusade and Wrath of the Lich King expansions.  Yeah....5 bucks for new content....I'll take it, and gladly. Half-hour of play time? Well, after doing it again on all of my characters I plan to play, that becomes several hours of use out of that 5 bucks.  Only thing I'm mad about is that I've downloaded it, but have been too busy to play between work and home life stuff....won't get to see it 'til this weekend, but I am looking forward to that 30 mins of new stuff and I know I will enjoy it. 

[KakkaKasa123456789]

I dont mind that if DLC is not free.. well actually it is because it aint even released in finland. Or i just havent seen it in any gamer store. So you should be just happy that you have DLC to buy/play

[TesseractSpace]

Sigh, I remember the days of old when a game was complete when you bought it. DLC seems like nothing more than a means for companies to bleed their customers for content that comes under two headings. Either it's stuff that by reasonable standard should have been included when the game shipped(The storage chest, Shale), or it's little bit of tacked on plot and perhaps should be saved for a more comprehensive expansion(RtO, the rest of Warden's Keep.).



There was a time when games were sold complete and little expansion mods might or might not come out but they were free to add onto the game. Sometimes a game might put out an expansion pack that cost, but it was usually something that added a lot to the game and wasn't just a tiny dribble of extra plot, nor were they needed for the game to stand on it's own. Now I get the sense that the marketing people look at a game and ask "what bits can we pull out and sell later?"



Look at Neverwinter Nights 2 (I'd use NWN1 to illustrate but haven't played it as much, though I note the premium modules all seemed to have quite a bit of content for their price.) All the addons for it are major storylines of their own. Contrast that to Warden's Keep where you've got a fairly short quest, which does nothing to the rest of the story and just seems like a tack-on. And yes these DLC are cheaper than full expansions individually, but the content-to-price ratio is just horrible. Buying enough DLC's to get the kind of content that say Mask of the Betrayer had would likely cost more than the Dragon Age game itself. (admittedly a bit of a moot point since there isn't that much DLC released yet.)



I also spotted some mention of the voice acting while I skimmed the thread, so I'll make a point here on that too. All the voice acting in the world is useless without a decent story and gameplay. I would sooner buy a game with no voice-over and an awesomely done story and gameplay than one with tons of all-star voices. Voice acting is nice, but it doesn't make the game. It's a frill that in my mind can be dispensed with. Sadly once a game is voiced, everyone automatically expects every expansion to be as well. I often wonder what some games would be like if the voice acting budget had gone to development instead. Imagine what DLC could be like if they weren't paying extra for each conversation. You could put in dozens of NPCs to talk to rather than the 2 or 3 the DLC has now. (I recall 3 in Warden's keep and maybe 4 in Stone Prisoner but I could be off by one or two.)



As for comparisons to MMO subscriptions, there's a reason I wouldn't touch WoW with a ten foot pole.

[ToJKa1]

KakkaKasa123456789 wrote...

I dont mind that if DLC is not free.. well actually it is because it aint even released in finland. Or i just havent seen it in any gamer store. So you should be just happy that you have DLC to buy/play

They have to be bought online, but i'd imagine there will eventually be a collection release where all these small DLCs are included, like what happened with Oblivion and Fallout 3. That's how i'll get this stuff.

Hmm, so i DO end up paying twice for the game after all

A very creative usename BTW