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Sloth Of Doom wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

LenaMarie wrote...
The real definition of troll is posting anything opposite of what the fanboys think.

And apparently the real definition of "fanboy" is anyone daring to be reasonable or *gasp* supportive.

After reading some of the threads in these parts, I think the definition of "customer" needs some explaining to certain folks as well. Posted Image


Customer:   Someone who demands outrageous things becase of an unfounded sense of self-entitlement?




Aint that the truth. ROFL :lol:

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David Gaider wrote...

LenaMarie wrote...
The real definition of troll is posting anything opposite of what the fanboys think.

And apparently the real definition of "fanboy" is anyone daring to be reasonable or *gasp* supportive.

After reading some of the threads in these parts, I think the definition of "customer" needs some explaining to certain folks as well. Posted Image


Man what a fanboy...Posted Image

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Trxazael wrote...

$5 is hardly outrageous. $7? pfff. Even $12 or $15 is to be scoffed at. If you have ever heard of these things called jobs, they're great for buying things!


LOL, so true.  It is trully mindblowing that someone can complain about something that costs so little.  So go complain about $10 while you play DA on your $1,000 dollar TV and $400 dollar XBOX.  Unless you are under ten years old or out of a job I really don't see how this is a $$ issue. 

I for one am glad gaming companies are offering DLC's.  I like getting extra content and it insures the game developers keep making RPG's!  Win - Win to me.

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DLC will exist as long as there is a demand for it. If few people purchased a company's DLC I assume the company will be less likely to develop future DLC. However, if demand for DLC is high then of course the company would be more inclined to produce additional DLC.

The reason for this is because Bioware, Electronic Arts, Blizzard, Valve, and all other game companies are a business before anything else. Yes, the people at any given game development company may be excellent and what they do and enjoy what they do very much, but at the end of the day it is a business.

A business exists solely for the purpose of producing a profit (generally). DLC is a way to earn additional profit, particularly when the demand for it is high. As has been said throughout all DLC debates, it is optional.

Bioware's DLC has always been reasonably priced for me; I purchased both Mass Effect DLCs at $5 each and while the second was a bit shaky they were both worth the $5. Personally, I would never buy DLC that gives you *just* a weapon or a particular item (i.e. the infamous horse armor) - I want content/quests. If Bioware/EA began selling "The Sword of a Thousand Truths" for 400 BW points I'd be cool with it, I just wouldn't buy it.

Modifié par YooperLaw, 14 janvier 2010 - 09:42 .


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David Gaider wrote...

After reading some of the threads in these parts, I think the definition of "customer" needs some explaining to certain folks as well. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png


Welcome to retail, Mr. Gaider. ;)

THE "CUSTOMER" IS NOT ALWAYS RIGHT! :D

Modifié par cygnata, 14 janvier 2010 - 09:43 .


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Hello, I am a customer.  Can I have my moon on a silver stick please?

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Andat wrote...

Hello, I am a customer.  Can I have my moon on a silver stick please?

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I did that for NWN!  What more do you people want?

Oh wait, SILVER stick?  I only had it on a wood stick... dammit!  Can't please anyone these days!

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I don't know about all DLCs being free, but after the fiasco with RtO that one should be.

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Ok, then how will they pay for the game?

Still, a little Valve styled "here's a freebie" every once and a while to reinvigorate people's appitites and draw people to DLC who otherwise would not think about it would be a good idea.

Modifié par TheRealIncarnal, 14 janvier 2010 - 09:48 .


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AterumDominus wrote...

Considering the mass ammount blizz has on market notice how thier dlc takes months(Not to mention all the bugs sever crashes each tome something new is launched by them and patch after patch class overpower look what happenedwith dk's till they bat everyone) and your dishing out 14.99 a month for wow since first launched. till you get your new patch which may take a few months where as i pay 5 bucksfor a dlc from bioware consider this a console game atm. not a mmo yet, Bioware has it down well so far.


You also forgot how Blizzard also has the paying community act as testers and QA for them through their Public Test Servers prior to the release of any patches or expansions. Woot, you get to pay to test something and then pay again to play the finished version! Where do I sign up? <_<

But seriously, as a consumer we have the right to pay for whatever we want as long as it isn't illegal. If we think DLCs are too expensive, then don't buy it. If Bioware doesn't make money off the DLCs they will either discontinue the practice or make expansions loaded with more content. If paying for an expansion is more palatable to you, more power to you.

Modifié par Phwrobel, 14 janvier 2010 - 09:51 .


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Brian Chung wrote...

Andat wrote...

Hello, I am a customer.  Can I have my moon on a silver stick please?

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I did that for NWN!  What more do you people want?

Oh wait, SILVER stick?  I only had it on a wood stick... dammit!  Can't please anyone these days!


Hey, wait. That was free DLC. So it can't have existed as Bioware only do paid for DLC cos they are evil, right? :P

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If I worked at BW I'd be putting in some suggestions for cheap and cheerful gestures to gain some goodwill, e.g. adding some items to Bodahn's store in the next patch. Of course, someone would find a way of complaining about having to pay in game money for these "so called free items".

The customer is always frightful.

Modifié par SheffSteel, 14 janvier 2010 - 10:00 .


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"This job would be great if it weren't for all the customers."

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MerinTB wrote...

"This job would be great if it weren't for all the customers."


Which just so happened to be my catch phrase long ago when I worked in retail. That and "would you like fries with that"?
I think I lasted 4 days at that job.

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SheffSteel wrote...
If I worked at BW I'd be putting in some suggestions for cheap and cheerful gestures to gain some goodwill, e.g. adding some items to Bodahn's store in the next patch. Of course, someone would find a way of complaining about having to pay in game money for these "so called free items".

The customer is always frightful.

Which "goodwill" do you speak of? Is this the goodwill where sometime in the future when something is delayed or they otherwise have reason to be unhappy they will remember back to the last time the company did something nice for them and be more understanding instead? That goodwill?

I'm aware of no such beast.

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David Gaider wrote...

SheffSteel wrote...
If I worked at BW I'd be putting in some suggestions for cheap and cheerful gestures to gain some goodwill, e.g. adding some items to Bodahn's store in the next patch. Of course, someone would find a way of complaining about having to pay in game money for these "so called free items".

The customer is always frightful.

Which "goodwill" do you speak of? Is this the goodwill where sometime in the future when something is delayed or they otherwise have reason to be unhappy they will remember back to the last time the company did something nice for them and be more understanding instead? That goodwill?

I'm aware of no such beast.


My god, it is like being married! :blush:

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Sloth Of Doom wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

SheffSteel wrote...
If I worked at BW I'd be putting in some suggestions for cheap and cheerful gestures to gain some goodwill, e.g. adding some items to Bodahn's store in the next patch. Of course, someone would find a way of complaining about having to pay in game money for these "so called free items".

The customer is always frightful.

Which "goodwill" do you speak of? Is this the goodwill where sometime in the future when something is delayed or they otherwise have reason to be unhappy they will remember back to the last time the company did something nice for them and be more understanding instead? That goodwill?

I'm aware of no such beast.


My god, it is like being married! :blush:


Except when you're married, they remember the bad things, and use them in the new bad thing. Posted Image

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wowpwnslol wrote...

I think it's a huge joke for Bioware to charge outrageous amounts of money for so little content. All of them can be finished in less than an hour and their main purpose is not to advance the story in a meaningful way, but to give player extra items. I can admit that Shale was moderately interesting - but then again they're planning on charging $15 for it, which is ridiculous. Don't get me started on RtO - they are basically recycling old stuff and charging for it. Oh wow, it has some new items. How amazing.

I think if the DLC's were free, it would really show commitment and dedication of Bioware to the community and encourage more people to buy this game. I think they could take a page out of Blizzard's book (free battle.net) on how to treat the fans of their game.


$5 for 1 hour of game paly is far to much. that means the DAO would be worth what $250?

Either we got a good deal on the game or Bioware is ****ing us in our ass for this shamefully new content.

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David Gaider wrote...
Which "goodwill" do you speak of? Is this the goodwill where sometime in the future when something is delayed or they otherwise have reason to be unhappy they will remember back to the last time the company did something nice for them and be more understanding instead? That goodwill?

I'm aware of no such beast.


"Old favors are soon forgotten."

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LDB10671 wrote...

wowpwnslol wrote...

I think it's a huge joke for Bioware to charge outrageous amounts of money for so little content. All of them can be finished in less than an hour and their main purpose is not to advance the story in a meaningful way, but to give player extra items. I can admit that Shale was moderately interesting - but then again they're planning on charging $15 for it, which is ridiculous. Don't get me started on RtO - they are basically recycling old stuff and charging for it. Oh wow, it has some new items. How amazing.

I think if the DLC's were free, it would really show commitment and dedication of Bioware to the community and encourage more people to buy this game. I think they could take a page out of Blizzard's book (free battle.net) on how to treat the fans of their game.


$5 for 1 hour of game paly is far to much. that means the DAO would be worth what $250?

Either we got a good deal on the game or Bioware is ****ing us in our ass for this shamefully new content.


What makes you assume you are payng by the hour?   This isn't  sleezy hotel, it is a video game.

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Quickfend wrote...

generalkorrd wrote...

I tried wow for a whole week, and couldnt tolerate it anymore, I actually felt dirty and somehow pathetic after sitting there playing that stupid game. Completely outdated graphics, and a horrible feel to it, the only reason that they have so many subs is because you can play wow on any computer, it came out 5-6 years ago, has the same graphics as it did then. ugggh

Yes, and as avid RPG players, we all know that graphics is the most important part of a game. That must be the reason why we all agree that Baldur's Gate II is such an awful game.

I played WoW for over a year, on an RP server, did a whole lot of RPing, had a couple RP guilds, loads of fun, a lot of friendship and social interaction, to see people who played it for five minutes or even never, slander it just because so many people love it. The first couple hours were bad for me too, but after that it got better and better, to the point where I'd say it's the best game I ever played. I used to play it every day, and it was the only game I played in that period, where before I'd buy a new game every two weeks otherwise in those days, so even with the monthly fees it saved me quite a bit of money.  The major reason I quit was that it was just taking up way too much time.

Everyone's allowed to like a game, or dislike a game. I've heard people say that Dragon Age's graphics are absolutely horrendous, and they're entitled to that opinion. You may think WoW is bad, that is your prerogative. But the constant dragging WoW into arguments just to bash it on this - and other - forums, for no particular reason.. And then call someone else a troll. I'm really getting quite sick of that. Hate on Final Fantasy or KOTOR, at least you'll be a little more original.


I gotta agree to an extent. I've played it since almost the beginning. I watched my room mate play for a month after launch, and had to get it.
I still play WoW, and enjoy it quite a bit.

Comparing WoW and Dragon Age, other than both are epic fantasy sword and sorcery, is like comparing apples and oranges. (As is comparing any single player RPG with an MMORPG)

Yes, the taskbar layout is similar, so I can map my spells and use my numeric keypad for quick casting. Yes the mages have way more spells than you can fit on the taskbar. Yes, warriors are tanks, rogues are DPS, and they can stealth (like many other fantasy RPGs) But that is about where the similarities end.

It's ridiculous to compare the two. Almost as ridiculous as it is to expect to get something for free all the time.

I don't work my job for free (although my boss would love it if I did:crying:). I don't expect anyone else to... except, you know, other hobbyists using the toolset to make their own adventures in their off time.

In fact, again, if anyone is working on anything and wants someone to help with proofreading, editing story/dialogue text, or even voiceover work, I have (paid, professional) experience in those fields and would love to do the unthinkable and create some new fan made content.

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wowpwnslol wrote...

I think it's a huge joke for Bioware to charge outrageous amounts of money for so little content. All of them can be finished in less than an hour and their main purpose is not to advance the story in a meaningful way, but to give player extra items. I can admit that Shale was moderately interesting - but then again they're planning on charging $15 for it, which is ridiculous. Don't get me started on RtO - they are basically recycling old stuff and charging for it. Oh wow, it has some new items. How amazing.

I think if the DLC's were free, it would really show commitment and dedication of Bioware to the community and encourage more people to buy this game. I think they could take a page out of Blizzard's book (free battle.net) on how to treat the fans of their game.



Tirigon approves +100. Tirigon is now FRIENDLY. (Unless you are female and beautiful, in which case it´s LOVE).

Unfortunately, this will never happen. Without us paying money BioWare has no reason to release DLC.

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David Gaider wrote...

SheffSteel wrote...
If I worked at BW I'd be putting in some suggestions for cheap and cheerful gestures to gain some goodwill, e.g. adding some items to Bodahn's store in the next patch. Of course, someone would find a way of complaining about having to pay in game money for these "so called free items".

The customer is always frightful.

Which "goodwill" do you speak of? Is this the goodwill where sometime in the future when something is delayed or they otherwise have reason to be unhappy they will remember back to the last time the company did something nice for them and be more understanding instead? That goodwill?

I'm aware of no such beast.


Which brings us to tonight's word - Taunt

David, I am basking in the rage you just instilled in so (few) many people.

You deserve a set of Stephen Colbert's Big Brass Balls. http://wikiality.wik...Big_Brass_Balls

It's like you think you're a tank and you want to take the heat for your party (company.)  You choose not to disengage but to... issue a sarcastic rejoinder and invite attention be diverted to yourself!

and that's the word.

Modifié par MerinTB, 14 janvier 2010 - 10:54 .


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LDB10671 wrote...


$5 for 1 hour of game paly is far to much. that means the DAO would be worth what $250?

Either we got a good deal on the game or Bioware is ****ing us in our ass for this shamefully new content.


Ya it is such good business sense  to base the price on something as subjective as "time played"

And by that logic I should be paying to post on these forums. (You do know it is not free to run forums and websites that you are freely using right now right?)  Because I have gotten more fun out of here then many many games in the past.

I also guess you would be willing to start paying a fee for multiplayer games like TF2 and the new modern warfare right?

Modifié par addiction21, 14 janvier 2010 - 10:58 .


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wowpwnslol wrote...
(truncated for sanity's sake) However, do you see Bioware making free content for BG/NWN? Or how about making premium modules free to download? Of course not.

In regards to D3, your assumptions are quite worthless because we don't know anything about how it will be set up, so no point in using at as "proof" because it isn't.


Don't be mad at my comment, lol. I like both WoW and DA:O (I've got three characters from 73 to 80 in lvl range and multiple lowbies).

But there is at least one free BioWare created adventure made available by PC Gamer magazine (Tale of Orzammar) that I'm sure is available elsewhere as well for anyone who does a little looking. They put it in the magazine originally back in issue 195 (I think?) but it was in the wrong format so you had to resave it in the DAOZIP format before it would work. They also released it again in the correct format for the issue that is out on the news stands now.

I know. I know. That is just one example. And you still have to buy the magazine (or have a subscription like I do), or know someone who gets the magazine, or just do a little web surfing for someone who has decided to share the free content. But its free. And its quality. It's set outside the main gameplay too (just like any other user created scenarios would be, as it was build with the same toolset that the community has access too), and more than anything I think it is suppose to serve as an example of what the toolset is capable of and a prompt to encourage the public to use it. But its not bad. Especially for the price. :lol: