[quote]traversc wrote...
Completionism: I did not take your post out of context. You stated that "completionism" is a benefit some players might get out of DLCs. I countered that that is not an accurate or valid measure. [/quote]
I did say that to some people completeing all possible achievements or having tried every possible choice in the game is content, extra game-time they enjoy spending. Because you (and, to be honest, I as well) consider it not of value does not eliminate as a measure. Who are you to declare what does and does not count as valid? Do you have access to some secret authoritative text?
Seriously, traversc, because you don't consider some aspect of gameplay important doesn't mean that it isn't to someone else. And if there are a good number of "someone else"'s, well then a game design company is wise to cater at least a little to those consumers. I am not a fan in the least of "open sandbox" or of "competitive multi-player" personally, but I can appreciate that to many those are very important aspects of a game.
Please stop stating your opinion as fact. It makes discussions very difficult.
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iIt seems that you are declaring that DLC is not content (as in, by your declaration and as such it must be so that items and companions and story and combat encounters and dialog and codex entries are not content if in the DLC format) and that DLC will prevent Bioware from releasing "content" - which, since you dismissed DLC as not being content, we are assuming you mean an expansion pack.
If you don't mean an expansion pack, what do you mean?
That is not what I argued, and I'm sorry if what I wrote "seems" that way. Of course DLCs have content, but I argued that they have very little content. I also never stated that DLCs would prevent BW from releasing expansions. What I did say was that DLCs took up unnecessary production time that could be used to create more content. In the context of my post, I assume you mistook my wording for a relinquishing of point (hence the "moving goalpost" speil). But I am being honest when I say the goal of my wording was that of friendly banter (hence the smiley face). [/quote]
Ok, I'm trying to see what you are saying here.
Working on DLC is wasting time that should be spent on content. But DLC is content but very little. The production time (I'm assuming here, and correct me if I am wrong) spent on making the DLC work / be bug free is the time you feel is wasted that could be spent on content. Is that right?
You do realize that larger packs of content just correspondingly require larger amounts of "production time" to iron out bugs and such, right? So that production time has to be spent, regardless? If this is your new argument, I still think it is fatally flawed. Doing it the DLC mode gets out content faster, just in smaller chunks, instead of much slower but in larger chunks.
You argument is time wasted on making the DLC work, yes? Or am I missing your point again? You orignal post says "less time" but you can't honestly believe that bigger content packs require less time per line of code to debug and do quality assurance testing on, do you? In the software programming world, the more lines of code you have tends to exponentially increase, not decrease, the chances of incompatibility.
Again, if your argument is that larger content packs would require less time to test, I have to tell you I am 98% certain you are absolutely wrong.
And none of that deals with (granting the benefit of the doubt to you on not moving goalposts) your poor compositional skills as, in context, when you say "focus on churning and milking the DLC cow rather than putting their focus on developing content " it seems to imply that A - DLC is NOT content and B - working on DLC prevents them from creating content.
And after I listed everything in the Awakening expansion that should probably be considered content you still can't call Awakening content? I ask you again - what you do define as content?
[quote]I was giving you "my poison" - or at least possible examples to measure overpricing. There's comparing the actual price of DAO - $50-60, to the actual price of RTO - $5 - to see an order of magnitude of 10 - cheaper for the DLC, that is. I also brought up one of the Oblivion DLCs...
Other DLCs are not a valid poison. I am not interested in comparing DLCs to each other because the problem is ALL DLCs, of which, RtO is just the latest example. [/quote][/quote]
Ok, so I cannot compare DLC to DLC - because of why? All DLC is overpriced? Well, then, what is point of comparing at all if you declare, by fiat, that by definition being DLC means it is overpriced? Is there any point in discussing this with you at all? I mean, you tell one poster that you have every right to compare DAO and RTO to hot dogs, but now you tell me I cannot compare two like products to each other. Who gives you that right to decide what can and cannot be compared?
I gave you a non-DLC comparision, anyway. DAO, the full game, to RTO. I'm questioning your declaration of "the order of magnitude difference in price" - a point you are leaving out when you quote me -
You actually quite often leave out the point I am questioning to focus in on something I say that you want to dispute instead - this is detrimental to our discussions. I realize that my responses are rather large, but I try to keep context and I try to remain focused on the questions at hand instead of grabbing something new you say and quietly slipping away from earlier arguments. This is why I keep requoting you to yourself.
- and by "order of magnitude" of price, RTO is ten times cheaper than DAO. The price of $5 is cheaper than $50. I'll quote you again - "the order of magnitude difference in price."
If you mean value, then you have to state what criteria you are using to establish value. And then list out that criteria between the two products.
Unfrotunately, I think we are at an impasse on this point simply because you declare all DLC overpriced. If, by your definition, DLC is overpriced regardless of the DLC - and I quote you again here "I am not interested in comparing DLCs to each other because the problem is ALL DLCs" - how can I possibly persuade you, what evidence or proof could I use, if you unstated major premise (another logical fallacy, btb) is that all DLC is bad. There is no way for me to reasonably be able to disuade you if you start from that point.
Why even ask me for "my posion" if you starting criteria is that I lose the argument?
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