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[generalkorrd]

Haventh wrote...

I'm not really crying over 5-10 euros or 40-90 norwegian kr. I don't seriously understand why people cry over so little. They do a job, of course they deserve to get payed for it.

As simple a statement as this is, it is completely true. I do work, I get paid, simple as that. If I work on something and dont get paid, I'll go somewhere where I dont get taken advantage of.

Modifié par generalkorrd, 12 janvier 2010 - 02:22 .

[SirKrowa]

The Ass and the Frogs by Aesop (~600 BC)



AN ASS, carrying a load of wood, passed through a pond. As he was crossing through the water he lost his footing, stumbled and fell, and not being able to rise on account of his load, groaned heavily. Some Frogs frequenting the pool heard his lamentation, and said, “What would you do if you had to live here always as we do, when you make such a fuss about a mere fall into the water?”



Men often bear little grievances with less courage than they do large misfortunes.

[archonsod]

FlintlockJazz wrote...
 Therefore it is not the length but the quality of the experience and the cost to provide said experience that you need to consider.

No, no I don't. You see, I don't give a damn whether the farmer who grew the hops or the barmaid get paid, and whether they do or don't in now way alters my enjoyment of the beer, which is what I am actually drinking for, not some bizzarre attempt at wealth redistribution.
 I'm a consumer, not an economist. It makes little difference to me where the beer comes from or how it gets to the pub, all I'm interested in is how much I'm going to enjoy it and whether it's going to cost me a fair price for that enjoyment. If it doesn't, I won't buy the beer or I'll go to a different pub which does offer a pint at a cost I consider worth while for the enjoyment it gives me.

 The same applies to DLC. Why the hell do I care if Bioware's employees get paid or not, or whether it costs them hundreds in server hosting costs or the like? I'm buying a product, not shares in their company. If I like the game / DLC / Amusing novelty hat and I find the price acceptable based on my anticipation of that enjoyment then they get my money. If not, they don't. Simple as that.

In short, while it may be worth it according to the method of measurement you use, it is not necessarily worth it according to the measurement of worth other people use

 I was responding to someone claiming the DLC was not worth it, which I disagree with. I explained my method of determining value. At no point did I suggest it was the only means of doing so, or that anyone else should adopt it. In fact, I don't actually care whether you consider it worthwhile or not. I do however think that a blanket statement of "it's not worth it" be quantified with some form of reasoning rather than spouted out as if it was some objective fact. The idea of a forum is to discuss, not be a substitute for a poll system.

[SheffSteel]

Best argument in favour of free DLC: free DLC may encourage game sales. Note that this argument has failed, in something we like to call "reality", to persuade Bioware to produce free DLC.

Best argument against free DLC: having to pay for DLC appears to annoy "wowpwnslol".

Good enough for me

[killzor55]

DLC's Free? Bad idea. Bioware does lots of job to make an DLC. And if we want , we pay for their job by buyng that what they made. I'm happy to pay 5$ -15$ for an great DLC.

[Abriael_CG]

wowpwnslol wrote...

Try reading up about those heroes that Blizzard added to actual game free of charge.

Free of charge? You pay them a monthly fee. NOTHING of what they add to wow is free of charge.

On the other hand Bioware gave us a professional-level toolset free of charge, and that allows Dragon Age players to enjoy free content in a quantity that wow players will never see.

It's hilarious how someone would try to paint a greedmongering software house like Activision as "generous". It really takes the worst of trolls.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 12 janvier 2010 - 03:02 .

[Dragon Age1103]

wowpwnslol wrote...

I think it's a huge joke for Bioware to charge outrageous amounts of money for so little content. All of them can be finished in less than an hour and their main purpose is not to advance the story in a meaningful way, but to give player extra items. I can admit that Shale was moderately interesting - but then again they're planning on charging $15 for it, which is ridiculous. Don't get me started on RtO - they are basically recycling old stuff and charging for it. Oh wow, it has some new items. How amazing.

I think if the DLC's were free, it would really show commitment and dedication of Bioware to the community and encourage more people to buy this game. I think they could take a page out of Blizzard's book (free battle.net) on how to treat the fans of their game.

  you can't afford $5? Really? Enough said. Don't buy it if you think the price is outrageous, obviously over a million people do not.

[slash197]

This forum is full of trolls and I don't mean the OP.  Specifically, the first half or so of this thread.

Modifié par slash197, 12 janvier 2010 - 03:18 .

[Crusader-Be]

TheMadCat wrote...

Grab the tool set, hire the voice actors, create the script and the content, and release it for free as a mod. Create some competition and force them to drive down their prices.

excelent statement.

Developing games costs more then some1 would think, specially for big company's like bioware or EA. Myself also work at a big brand (philips) and if youre trash can gets broken a new 1 will cost 300€. Just saying this to show how supliers overcharge big company's.

Also the developing itself cost's handfull of money ( http://en.wikipedia....ame_development )
renting storage room for the upload servers or the renting of servers.

and i havent even touched big expenses like employees, this bloody community forum etc.

All the game developers cherge these cost's to there customers. (blizzard, ncsoft etc do it with monthly fee's while others do it trough micro fee's)
U flamed some1 to make the comparison with WoW but comparing a modern game with diablo 2 of 9 years ago is comparing apple's to cherry's. 9 years ago the cost's of making games whas alot lower then these days, dont forget the world is stil struggeling under a heavy crisis. even the expansion diablo 2: lord of destruction costed money.

Im not saying this allows bioware to ask outragious prices but:
return to ostagar --> €5
Wardens keep --> €7
The stone prisoner -->€15 
isnt a outragious price seeing what u recieve with all that.
Im defending this cuz this is the very first rpg i enjoy playing shifting from fps enviroment. U should see what support these guys get now with very disapointing games like modern warfare 2.

I hope this eases youre mind a bit nothing comes for free since i havent gotten anything free from u.

[gotthammer]

I don't agree w/ the OP entirely (esp. w/ the thread title).

It's entirely up to the devs/publishers if they think the DLC should be free or not. If someone doesn't like it, one can always NOT get it, whether it's free or not.

If there's anything I'd 'demand' for free, it would be patches.



On the side of free DLCs: I'd be happier if this were the case. The most recent example I can remember is the free 'upgrade' of regular copies of 'The Witcher' to enhanced edition (plus the other downloadable extras). I think that generated a fair amount of good feedback, right?



I don't mind paying for DLCs and am looking forward to more DLCs for DA:O, free or not.

[addiction21]

2nd day in a row I sit down to troll the forums and end up with boffee coming out my nose do to the ridiculousness of some people.

Lets get serious discussion started. I swung my my moms last night because see made some of her famous chili. I am about to make some chili waffles.

[NKKKK]

DLC's shouldn't be free, let me rephrase something though.



RTO should be free.

[Crusader-Be]

addiction21 wrote...

2nd day in a row I sit down to troll the forums and end up with boffee coming out my nose do to the ridiculousness of some people.
Lets get serious discussion started. I swung my my moms last night because see made some of her famous chili. I am about to make some chili waffles.

make some for me 2  sounds yummy

[Zethell]

wowpwnslol wrote...
I think it's a huge joke for Bioware to charge outrageous amounts of money for so little content.

Lol. what are you? a hobo? XD .
5€ for a DLC is like.. cheaper than a ****ing pizza.
So seriously, get a job and stop crying, no-one is forcing you to buy anything here.

[AsheraII]

1) Battle.net is changing into a paid service in a while. They've said as much on the Diablo III forums.
2) The "free" DLC's you get in games like WoW are paid for by subscription fees.
/thread

edit: spelling

Modifié par AsheraII, 12 janvier 2010 - 03:56 .

[BTA1]

Maybe not free, but a lot cheaper imo. Warden's Keep was extremly overpriced compared to what you got. Doubt I'll buy any more DLC after that.

[wonko33]

wowpwnslol wrote...
I think if the DLC's were free, it would really show commitment and dedication of Bioware to the community and encourage more people to buy this game. I think they could take a page out of Blizzard's book (free battle.net) on how to treat the fans of their game.

Blizzard? How much free content have they ever released? WoW content is not free if you are paying 15$ a month for it. And I don't remember them ever releasing any free DLC for Diablo and such.

As for battle.net what is it for exactly? it's a glorified forum with matchmaking capabilities.

I have no problem with game companies releasing pay for DLC, if it's too short and not worth it speak with your wallet. What I am tired of is all the whinny people who say the DLC is not worth it but cry about how much they want it for free. If they want it so much then it is worth something. And don't tell me it should be included in the game either, there is already 60 hours worth of content in there and a free toolset to make more, what more do you want?

[Deception_2112]

The fact you think WoW is totally awesome and worth by comparison to DAO is absurd in itself...

Blizzard charges you what ? $15 a month to play WoW, and you're sitting here whinging about $5 for a small DLC.

Surely you're trolling otherwise you're plain stupid. The fact you also think that it only takes "an hour" to make a new DLC also points to the fact you lack any intelligence whatsoever. How about you try scripting events,cinematics, adding a new custom weapon, adding dialogue, getting voice actors and then testing for bugs in a few hours.

Modifié par Deception_2112, 12 janvier 2010 - 03:59 .

[MerinTB]

Failed thread fails.

OP's sense of entitlement, to benefit freely from the work of others, is not worth a single page of responses.
I apologize for adding my own response, but anything that people put effort into making that others are willing to pay money for should provide compensation for those who put in the work.  You know, assuming the work and product was legal and all that jazz.

Don't feed troll-ish topics.

[Abriael_CG]

BTA1 wrote...

Maybe not free, but a lot cheaper imo. Warden's Keep was extremly overpriced compared to what you got. Doubt I'll buy any more DLC after that.

Was it? 2 hours of main quest, party storage, the ability to upgrade lots of items to upper tiers. For the price of a whole McDonalds menu... oh yeah. SO overpriced.

Can we get real now?

[Deception_2112]

wowpwnslol wrote...


WoW has nothing to do with a discussion. When Bioware puts in 100+
hours of gameplay every month, I'll be happy to pay them $15 dollars.

Uh are you stupid or something? Blizzard doesn't add 100+hours of gameplay every month...The content is there when you download the damn thing and a bit more gets added with every patch. The only thing you pay for is the ability to play it.

I'd rather play for a game like DAO which has 50+hrs than pay $15 bucks a month for WoW...The only damn thing you do there is raid after raid after raid, you do the same damn thing week in week out.

Not to mention the graphics are almost 10years old, it looks damn pathetic.

[errant_knight]

Lol! Sure, the programmers should work for free, the artists should work for free, the animators should work for free, the writers ahould work for free, the office space should be donated, obviously, since everyone is working for free.... Heck, let's all work for free! We'll just give each other stuff!

[wonko33]

The more I read these" DLC should be free" posts the more it makes sense. Basically these posters are usually really into the game and seem to be unable to live without having every bit of content available. But on the other hand they don't want to pay, so they come up with the most ridiculous arguments to get what they crave for for free.



Now I respect people who say it's not worth it, i'm not buying it. But the whinner crowd is annoying.