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[addiction21]

Crusader-Be wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

2nd day in a row I sit down to troll the forums and end up with boffee coming out my nose do to the ridiculousness of some people.
Lets get serious discussion started. I swung my my moms last night because see made some of her famous chili. I am about to make some chili waffles.

make some for me 2  sounds yummy

I cannot make any promises that they will still be around.  I do know the people at the office will hate me today...

sprybry wrote...

my thoughts on dlc:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/9/index/588461/1#589912

Me thinks there was not enough flamable material in said thread to keep it going

Modifié par addiction21, 12 janvier 2010 - 04:17 .

[kalerab]

killzor55 wrote...

DLC's Free? Bad idea. Bioware does lots of job to make an DLC. And if we want , we pay for their job by buyng that what they made. I'm happy to pay 5$ -15$ for an great DLC.

I agree with this. Paying for GOOD DLC 5-10 USD is reasonable request, but take for example Pinnacle station DLC for Mass Effect. That was not worth to pay for.

[SarEnyaDor]

I enjoyed Bring Down the Sky. =D

[trekkieb47]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

I enjoyed Bring Down the Sky. =D

Me too, it was a great addition to the ME world.

[Abriael_CG]

666balam wrote...

Game cost - 40$ for around 50h of play where you have 20h of dialogs - why to short for me but still good fun.

50 hours (actually it's more near to 80) "way to short"?
I see realism going down the drain more and more in this thread.

[Irovagh]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

wowpwnslol wrote...

Pretty stupid comparison, but you're a woman so I'll forgive you.

Aww, that's sweet of you for forgiving me for having a vagina...

You ma'am rock.

David G Said it best. I edit to retract previous statement.

Modifié par Irovagh, 12 janvier 2010 - 04:50 .

[kalerab]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

I enjoyed Bring Down the Sky. =D

Me too. However it´s ironic since I´ve got BDtS, which was worth some of my money, for free and PS, which was utter crap, for 5 bucks. I say pizza is damn better deal than this. But I´m ot right now - do a good/great DLC and no one will have problem with paying (well, next to no one), do a crappy DLC and than don´t be surprised that community will react as it will.
 

[David Gaider]

Why does anything cost what it does? Why does a 2 hour movie cost $15 for the ticket? Should tickets for 90-minute movies cost less? I bought lunch yesterday for $16 and it took me about 15 minutes to eat. Yet the last novel I bought cost $12 and lasted me several days. I paid $60 for an HBO DVD set which lasted about 13 hours and considered it money well-spent. Yet I'll pay $5 for a greeting card, $16 for a 30-page adventure that will take my gaming group weeks to get through, $1.95 for a 3-minute song on iTunes and $3.50 for the coffee I had yesterday at Starbuck's.
Do all these things cost according to the time it takes to enjoy them? Of course not. Nothing is priced that way. These things are priced as they are because people are willing to pay that price, because they want it.

If you want to look on a video game -- or any piece of video game content -- as only being worth the amount of time it takes to play, that's totally up to you. For me, I've played 10-hr games that I enjoyed immensely, as well as 50-hr games. Did they roughly cost the same? Sure did. Did I feel ripped off? Not at all. Would I prefer to see longer games? Who wouldn't? The fact that some people could still call even a 30-hr game short (never mind one like DA that lasts anywhere from 40-80 hrs by most peoples' reports) certainly means they aren't comparing it to any other game currently being made, but that's their business.

In the end, you'll pay what you're willing to pay. If something doesn't look like it'll provide you enjoyment, then you shouldn't buy it. If enough people don't buy it, then we're obviously charging too much compared to how much they want it. If enough people do buy it, then we're good. Someone can get outraged if they want, but claiming that something is wrong simply because they do want the extra content but don't want to pay for it says more about their level of entitlement than anything else. In the end, we'll still be providing patches for DA (as we did for NWN, which -- surprise, surprise -- also had the "premium modules" for download) and possibly even some free content. With regards to the DLC, you can buy it or not buy it. The decision is yours, to decide whether it's worth anything to you or how entitled you feel to have it in addition to what came with the original game.

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And with regards to the general level of rhetoric on this thread, let's keep it down. No personal insults and flaming, please. Consider yourself warned.

[Cybercat999]

Can you do something about price of cigarettes in Germany too when you are at it, please?

[My Will be done]

David Gaider wrote...

Why does anything cost what it does? Why does a 2 hour movie cost $15 for the ticket? Should tickets for 90-minute movies cost less? I bought lunch yesterday for $16 and it took me about 15 minutes to eat. Yet the last novel I bought cost $12 and lasted me several days. I paid $60 for an HBO DVD set which lasted about 13 hours and considered it money well-spent. Yet I'll pay $5 for a greeting card, $16 for a 30-page adventure that will take my gaming group weeks to get through, $1.95 for a 3-minute song on iTunes and $3.50 for the coffee I had yesterday at Starbuck's.
Do all these things cost according to the time it takes to enjoy them? Of course not. Nothing is priced that way. These things are priced as they are because people are willing to pay that price, because they want it.

If you want to look on a video game -- or any piece of video game content -- as only being worth the amount of time it takes to play, that's totally up to you. For me, I've played 10-hr games that I enjoyed immensely, as well as 50-hr games. Did they roughly cost the same? Sure did. Did I feel ripped off? Not at all. Would I prefer to see longer games? Who wouldn't? The fact that some people could still call even a 30-hr game short (never mind one like DA that lasts anywhere from 40-80 hrs by most peoples' reports) certainly means they aren't comparing it to any other game currently being made, but that's their business.

In the end, you'll pay what you're willing to pay. If something doesn't look like it'll provide you enjoyment, then you shouldn't buy it. If enough people don't buy it, then we're obviously charging too much compared to how much they want it. If enough people do buy it, then we're good. Someone can get outraged if they want, but claiming that something is wrong simply because they do want the extra content but don't want to pay for it says more about their level of entitlement than anything else. In the end, we'll still be providing patches for DA (as we did for NWN, which -- surprise, surprise -- also had the "premium modules" for download) and possibly even some free content. With regards to the DLC, you can buy it or not buy it. The decision is yours, to decide whether it's worth anything to you or how entitled you feel to have it in addition to what came with the original game.

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And with regards to the general level of rhetoric on this thread, let's keep it down. No personal insults and flaming, please. Consider yourself warned.

Can not add anything as that is what I say.
All people complaining about the price and in the end they buy it.

Love it or hate it, but not both at the same time.

[addiction21]

666balam wrote...

Game cost - 40$ for around 50h of play where you have 20h of dialogs - why to short for me but still good fun.
Now 1h more play cost you 5$ not really worth it... I can see your point aqs Bio doing carrot and stick with all DLC content - some new skills, items and other stuff for really high price when you compare to full game.

Well there is also an actual story that goes with the DLC, new lore, banter, characters, voice overs, and cut scenes to go with them. If those things do not intrest you thats your right but there is more to the DLC's then time, loot and skills.
Somewhere else some one made the statement of how would you feel if you went into the DLC area and you go from having full voice overs and meaningfull stories to hack an slash, all text, and placecards to tell the story?

I fully expect to be burned and flayed for making the comparison but I cannot not think up something more fitting right now.  You can go buy a dvd with 5 episodes of your favorite show for 20 dollars or buy the boxed set with the full season of 26 episodes for 70 dollars. As a friend explained (I am semi retarded when it comes to economics but it is his job) and in latmens terms he explained it to me once that it costs less and they can get a larger return because of the reduced overhead or some such for that box set but the single dvd costs more per ratio unit or some jibberish.
As a BW dev said sometime ago they could easily give you 10 hours for as cheap. How would you like to cross a huge sparsely decorated landscape a dozen times filled with orange mobs on a short respawn timer to play pony express passing notes between to NPCs located on opposite ends of the map. Nothing but killing and playing mail man.
DLC's are still rather new and it is something that needs to be explored and experimented on. 

(sorry I just sorta got carried away. No malice was intended and I apologize if it felt that way)

[pvpgirl]

wowpwnslol wrote...

I think it's a huge joke for Bioware to charge outrageous amounts of money for so little content. All of them can be finished in less than an hour and their main purpose is not to advance the story in a meaningful way, but to give player extra items. I can admit that Shale was moderately interesting - but then again they're planning on charging $15 for it, which is ridiculous. Don't get me started on RtO - they are basically recycling old stuff and charging for it. Oh wow, it has some new items. How amazing.

I think if the DLC's were free, it would really show commitment and dedication of Bioware to the community and encourage more people to buy this game. I think they could take a page out of Blizzard's book (free battle.net) on how to treat the fans of their game.

Do you play wow?  Yes.
Do you pay a subscription to play wow?  Yes
Do you get new content every month for the 15$ you pay?  Sometimes.
Guess what?  That is payed DLC.  Yes, it comes in a different package, and it is multiplayer, but seriously, you can go months sometimes with nothing new and then bam! New raid.  Either way you look at it, the 4 months between new content is costing you more than the 5$ DLC Bioware is offering.

[Irovagh]

David Gaider wrote...

Why does anything cost what it does? Why does a 2 hour movie cost $15 for the ticket? Should tickets for 90-minute movies cost less? I bought lunch yesterday for $16 and it took me about 15 minutes to eat. Yet the last novel I bought cost $12 and lasted me several days. I paid $60 for an HBO DVD set which lasted about 13 hours and considered it money well-spent. Yet I'll pay $5 for a greeting card, $16 for a 30-page adventure that will take my gaming group weeks to get through, $1.95 for a 3-minute song on iTunes and $3.50 for the coffee I had yesterday at Starbuck's.
Do all these things cost according to the time it takes to enjoy them? Of course not. Nothing is priced that way. These things are priced as they are because people are willing to pay that price, because they want it.

If you want to look on a video game -- or any piece of video game content -- as only being worth the amount of time it takes to play, that's totally up to you. For me, I've played 10-hr games that I enjoyed immensely, as well as 50-hr games. Did they roughly cost the same? Sure did. Did I feel ripped off? Not at all. Would I prefer to see longer games? Who wouldn't? The fact that some people could still call even a 30-hr game short (never mind one like DA that lasts anywhere from 40-80 hrs by most peoples' reports) certainly means they aren't comparing it to any other game currently being made, but that's their business.

In the end, you'll pay what you're willing to pay. If something doesn't look like it'll provide you enjoyment, then you shouldn't buy it. If enough people don't buy it, then we're obviously charging too much compared to how much they want it. If enough people do buy it, then we're good. Someone can get outraged if they want, but claiming that something is wrong simply because they do want the extra content but don't want to pay for it says more about their level of entitlement than anything else. In the end, we'll still be providing patches for DA (as we did for NWN, which -- surprise, surprise -- also had the "premium modules" for download) and possibly even some free content. With regards to the DLC, you can buy it or not buy it. The decision is yours, to decide whether it's worth anything to you or how entitled you feel to have it in addition to what came with the original game.

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And with regards to the general level of rhetoric on this thread, let's keep it down. No personal insults and flaming, please. Consider yourself warned.

Said it better than I ever could I retract my previous post. Thanks David for putting it into perspective for all of us.

Modifié par Irovagh, 12 janvier 2010 - 04:51 .

[jellmoo32]

Given the depth of the game, the sheer amount of creative effort, voice casting, the massive amount of QA that would be needed, the marketing, the creation of a new engine, etc... I would not be surprised if box sales (including digital downloads of the core game) were not enough for them to simply break even, let alone make a profit.
I think that early on they decided that DLC was the method to use in order to try and break even and hopefully make money.
The value of each DLC piece is completely subjective, naturally. Whether you find the value of the download to be worth the cost is up to you. If you do not find it to worth your money, do not buy it. If enough people agree, Bioware will adjust accordingly.
To say that the company should continually provide new content for free is fairly silly. There is a definite cost to producing them, and Bioware needs to make money in order to stay in business.
I am 100% certain that people in the company monitor both the number of people purchasing the DLC as well as threads like these. They will use this information in the planning of new DLC and pricing. Remember, this is a relatively new process for them, so expect some fine tuning.
I'm sure that they welcome constructive criticism in regards to their DLC. It is the sort of thing that will help them tailor their product to the consumer. The key word here is 'constructive'.

Modifié par jellmoo32, 12 janvier 2010 - 04:53 .

[bzombo]

wowpwnslol wrote...

So far nobody can come up with a reasonable argument as to why $5-10 for 40 minutes of recycled content or features that should have been included as quality of life is fair. It seems that people are simply content to kiss Bio's feet and accuse anyone who seeing through their money milking scheme of trolling.

troll. blizzard fanboi. anything else for your resume?

[Cybercat999]

mcomommy wrote...
Do you play wow?  Yes.
Do you pay a subscription to play wow?  Yes
Do you get new content every month for the 15$ you pay?  Sometimes.
Guess what?  That is payed DLC.  Yes, it comes in a different package, and it is multiplayer, but seriously, you can go months sometimes with nothing new and then bam! New raid.  Either way you look at it, the 4 months between new content is costing you more than the 5$ DLC Bioware is offering.

So what with us who dont play WoW?

[pvpgirl]

Heck if I know. I'll be honest. I haven't spent more than 2 hours on wow since I bought DA:O.



TSO? Aeon? Warhammer? CoH/V?

Just remove WoW and insert any of the above.

[SarEnyaDor]

Cybercat999 wrote...

So what with us who dont play WoW?

Well, you need to start your own thread complaining about not wanting to pay for the DLC you want to play then, of course!!

 

[David Gaider]

bzombo wrote...
troll. blizzard fanboi. anything else for your resume?

That is exactly the sort of thing I am talking about. It is no more acceptable from the original poster than it is from those who respond to him. If you have no point to make, then please refrain.

[Ginasue]

I read on these boards people complaints about the cost of the DLC and also about the expansion. I think to myself about the cost of these and will I beable to buy them.

Then I think of the hours of game time I will be getting and I see that the cost will give me some fun for a while in my day.

I don't go out much, I'm more or less home bonded because I take care of my aging Mother who is blind. I have an 13 year of grandson which I also have to take care of who has Aspergers.

So for me to spent a few dollars on a game, I have no problem with it at all.

Even if it cost me 10 USD to do so, I would because it gives someone like me a time to just be able to enjoy myself doing something else.

Also I look at the cost of things, the cost that it cost Bioware to have the people on their staff to make these games, and they have to pay them each week. That takes lots of money, and if the little money it cost me to help pay them, then it's ok, because if they don't get paid, they leave, which then means the games won't be out as much, or as good. Then with no games out there, people like me will not be able to enjoy themselves with playing a game now and then.

Sure I could just read a book. Yet books cost money to buy, and sure you can read them over and over again, but the fun of seeing something you have read, come to life more or less is enjoyable also.

I will always support a company that gives me enjoyment.

[Cybercat999]

mcomommy wrote...

Heck if I know. I'll be honest. I haven't spent more than 2 hours on wow since I bought DA:O.

TSO? Aeon? Warhammer? CoH/V?
Just remove WoW and insert any of the above.

Nothing of all that. Since TCoS went f2p on USA servers I didnt find MMO to my liking. Waiting for Secret World I suppose.....

[the_one_54321]

i treat all purchases in terms of Cost vs Benefit. i think that's the wisest way to go about it. in terms of strict Cost vs Benefit, none of the DLC has been worth expense, so far. the expansion is looking different.

[pvpgirl]

Ginasue wrote...

I will always support a company that gives me enjoyment.

Here Here!!

[the_one_54321]

i will always support a company that gives me what my money is worth. these days, they actually pretty hard to find. they deserve to be supported.