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The Cabal is not very good on Platinum....


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Terrible time, terrible failure, got tired and sloppy but the simple fact is, she is not good at taking down bosses. Sure, Platinum is broken, the game is not designed around Platinum but if I had finished it would have taken 1.5 hours maybe. That's too much. If someone has discovered some mirable way to mow down things on Platinum, do let me know.

I used the Saber and Talon btw.

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Well, it seems you ran out of time.

What does it matter that a character who is not strong vs armoured targets doesn't clear Platinum very quickly in a solo?

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Cyonan wrote...

Well, it seems you ran out of time.

What does it matter that a character who is not strong vs armoured targets doesn't clear Platinum very quickly in a solo?


It matters because it would be nice to be able to kill a Banshee in less than ten years.

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I will check that in 30 mins. Let's see what I can get from this, i haven't used the Cabal enough, maybe 2 times, i've been bussy checking how broken the AUI is.

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RedJohn wrote...

I will check that in 30 mins. Let's see what I can get from this, i haven't used the Cabal enough, maybe 2 times, i've been bussy checking how broken the AUI is.


Check what?

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It's a character that isn't good against bosses. Why are you complaining about its effectiveness on Platinum?

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She seems to be missing something if you ask me. Most vanguards are good weapon users due to the weapon synergy evo. Then there are the weapon platforms that have large debuffs and/or damage bonuses. Now you have the power users who spam powers/explosions for damage and supplement that with weapon damage.

The Cabal doesn't have debuffs nor damage bonuses/synergy and her powers are lackluster in the damage department if you ask me. She's a fun kit and all, it just seems they forgot something. Maybe it's her base blade capacity, maybe it's how inconstant and lackluster poison strike is, maybe it's a bit of both. I'm not really sure but she does seem to be missing something.

Then again, I've only used her a couple times and both times I used a 0 passive melee build, so I could probably use more experience with her.

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ToLazy4Name wrote...

It's a character that isn't good against bosses. Why are you complaining about its effectiveness on Platinum?


75% of the classes in the game are not good against bosses. Something is wrong.

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Blind2Society wrote...

She seems to be missing something if you ask me. Most vanguards are good weapon users due to the weapon synergy evo. Then there are the weapon platforms that have large debuffs and/or damage bonuses. Now you have the power users who spam powers/explosions for damage and supplement that with weapon damage.

The Cabal doesn't have debuffs nor damage bonuses/synergy and her powers are lackluster in the damage department if you ask me. She's a fun kit and all, it just seems they forgot something. Maybe it's her base blade capacity, maybe it's how inconstant and lackluster poison strike is, maybe it's a bit of both. I'm not really sure but she does seem to be missing something.

Then again, I've only used her a couple times and both times I used a 0 passive melee build, so I could probably use more experience with her.


She's good, great at escaping but taking down a Banshee takes forever.

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I would suggest that your criteria is too limited. She is fine in a four player platinum match, which is all I am interested in.

I go 06666 with an javelin on platinum, raider on gold.

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Stardusk wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

I will check that in 30 mins. Let's see what I can get from this, i haven't used the Cabal enough, maybe 2 times, i've been bussy checking how broken the AUI is.


Check what?


Check if I find a way to make it work on plat, try builds, different weapons, etc.

You know, test the character.

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Stardusk wrote...

It matters because it would be nice to be able to kill a Banshee in less than ten years.


but the game is not balanced around Platinum or soloing, and you have a problem with her soloing Platinum.

Balancing for Platinum will just break every other difficulty because of it being a DPS race.

She has N7 Fury levels of mobility and Turian levels of shields with a DR effect.

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RedJohn wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

I will check that in 30 mins. Let's see what I can get from this, i haven't used the Cabal enough, maybe 2 times, i've been bussy checking how broken the AUI is.


Check what?


Check if I find a way to make it work on plat, try builds, different weapons, etc.

You know, test the character.


Yes, I am sure you will do it in 20 minutes. Have fun.

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I think the poison attacks are probably bugged as well as her poison strike and melee accuracy. I have faced an enemy with no obstacles between us, heavy melee'd and went past the enemy with no damage done. I have seen the same with poison strike. I can stand almost next to the enemy, use poison strike, and the enemy does not feel so much as a fly brush by. Forward and backward quick move is also glitchy. Sometimes it jumps me forward but sometimes it makes the animation, does the vanish teleport thing, yet I am in the same place and there was no obstacles or enemies in front of me when I did that.

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Then compensate with ammo powers and your gun.
Claymore, reegar, talon etc.
Incendiary ammo etc. etc.
You should be old enough to realize this.

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RedJohn wrote...

I will check that in 30 mins. Let's see what I can get from this, i haven't used the Cabal enough, maybe 2 times, i've been bussy checking how broken the AUI is.


Excuses, excuses...
More like busy checking dat ass...
:devil:

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ryoldschool wrote...

I would suggest that your criteria is too limited. She is fine in a four player platinum match, which is all I am interested in.

I go 06666 with an javelin on platinum, raider on gold.


Yeah, with other players, it's ok.

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Blind2Society wrote...

She seems to be missing something if you ask me. Most vanguards are good weapon users due to the weapon synergy evo. Then there are the weapon platforms that have large debuffs and/or damage bonuses. Now you have the power users who spam powers/explosions for damage and supplement that with weapon damage.

The Cabal doesn't have debuffs nor damage bonuses/synergy and her powers are lackluster in the damage department if you ask me. She's a fun kit and all, it just seems they forgot something. Maybe it's her base blade capacity, maybe it's how inconstant and lackluster poison strike is, maybe it's a bit of both. I'm not really sure but she does seem to be missing something.

Then again, I've only used her a couple times and both times I used a 0 passive melee build, so I could probably use more experience with her.


The last evo from melee gives you 25% weapon bonus IIRC after melee kills. With full weapon passives you get 37% damage and a lot of stability
Granted you wont always have something to kill with melee, especially on platinum, but those numbers are better weapons bonuses than most kits

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BACON4BREAKFAST wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

She seems to be missing something if you ask me. Most vanguards are good weapon users due to the weapon synergy evo. Then there are the weapon platforms that have large debuffs and/or damage bonuses. Now you have the power users who spam powers/explosions for damage and supplement that with weapon damage.

The Cabal doesn't have debuffs nor damage bonuses/synergy and her powers are lackluster in the damage department if you ask me. She's a fun kit and all, it just seems they forgot something. Maybe it's her base blade capacity, maybe it's how inconstant and lackluster poison strike is, maybe it's a bit of both. I'm not really sure but she does seem to be missing something.

Then again, I've only used her a couple times and both times I used a 0 passive melee build, so I could probably use more experience with her.


The last evo from melee gives you 25% weapon bonus IIRC after melee kills. With full weapon passives you get 37% damage and a lot of stability
Granted you wont always have something to kill with melee, especially on platinum, but those numbers are better weapons bonuses than most kits


Problem is getting melee kills on Platinum. That is the real issue, imo.

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Blind2Society wrote...

The Cabal doesn't have debuffs nor damage bonuses/synergy and her powers are lackluster in the damage department if you ask me.


People seem to be forgetting she's a Turian...

37.50% bonus damage to all weapons and 55% stability....

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0/6/6/6/6 with hurricane and acolyte works fine for bosses on platinum. My hurricane it's at x, though.

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tfoltz wrote...

0/6/6/6/6 with hurricane and acolyte works fine for bosses on platinum. My hurricane it's at x, though.


I won't use the Acolyte and I only have a Hurricane IV. My Bloodpack Punisher is X but it is a piece of crap, unusable on anything but Geth, T.Soldier or Destroyer.

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Stardusk wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

I will check that in 30 mins. Let's see what I can get from this, i haven't used the Cabal enough, maybe 2 times, i've been bussy checking how broken the AUI is.


Check what?


Check if I find a way to make it work on plat, try builds, different weapons, etc.

You know, test the character.


Yes, I am sure you will do it in 20 minutes. Have fun.


:huh:

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Stardusk wrote...

tfoltz wrote...

0/6/6/6/6 with hurricane and acolyte works fine for bosses on platinum. My hurricane it's at x, though.


I won't use the Acolyte and I only have a Hurricane IV. My Bloodpack Punisher is X but it is a piece of crap, unusable on anything but Geth, T.Soldier or Destroyer.


You could bring one of the other guns that has Hurricane levels of DPS like the Harrier or Piranha.