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[DOUBLE NICKEL]

I've been using her with the GPS also, good damage when charged up and good against barriers/shelds (not as good as the Acolyte tho). Haven't tried on Plat though, but with Incendiary ammo should work better and as I understand, you can also set up fire explosion when PS'ing through enemy I believe.

[llandwynwyn]

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

1) He refused to use Harrier or Acolyte because Annomander made rules that you can't be accepted into the hall for using Harrier, Acolyte or running White, Ghost, Reactor, Glacier, Glacier Hazard, Reactor Hazard or White Hazard.

He's fighting on Ghost.
Annomander's rules are stupid. Who the **** cares how people solo their games? Seriously, that thread is a sad joke.

[Fortack]

Drayce333 wrote...

Cabal is wonderful. She the best well rounded oriented vanguard.

She's fun to play, but actually one of the weakest vanguards in the game - particularly on Platinum.

Its really stupid since she takes all the good crap from drell vanguard, batarian soldier, human soldier, turian solider, and slayer/fury and yet there are people complaining that she sucks.

All of those kits have like twice (or more) DPS potential than the Cabal. Are you ok with that or do you think that a small buff to get the Cabal closer to those kits is a bad idea?

[ryoldschool]

DrMayhem22 wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...

I go 06666 with an javelin on platinum, raider on gold.

I sincerely hope that you posted on the wrong forum.  Otherwise, you are among the worst at building a class that I have ever seen.  a ****ing Javelin on the cabal?  really?  not only are her passive damage bonuses incredibly high, but she isn't an infiltrator.  The cabal is designed to be a really fast paced character, utilizing hit and run tactics and her poison.  if you are sniping on her, you are wasting an amazing class.  You seem to be one of those idiots who believe that if you equip a good gun on any class, it's efficient.  You couldn't be more wrong.  The javelin is among the heaviest guns in the game, which makes it only useful on an infiltrator because of the whole thing with cloaking and shooting right afterwards results in a very short cooldown.  that class is NOT a shooty class.

i understand about using the javelin on the gi and drell infiltrator.   I tried a build with poison strike and it was horrible for me.  A friend used this build on platinum with the harrier so I copied it.  However, it does well with damage resistance and I am good with the javelin.  Don't dismiss a viable build without trying it.  I reload cancel with biotic focus which has an hunter mode like highlighting of enemies.

[LuckyBullet95]

llandwynwyn wrote...

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

1) He refused to use Harrier or Acolyte because Annomander made rules that you can't be accepted into the hall for using Harrier, Acolyte or running White, Ghost, Reactor, Glacier, Glacier Hazard, Reactor Hazard or White Hazard.

He's fighting on Ghost.
Annomander's rules are stupid. Who the **** cares how people solo their games? Seriously, that thread is a sad joke.

Ghost Hazard. There's a difference (at least according ot Annomander). The second part is why I posted in the first place. Everything you said is true...

[DieWaffenKatzen]

The whole situation looks pretty simple to me. If you want high DPS, you bring a weapon with high DPS. If you want a challenge, then don't complain about it being too challenging. No offense, OP

Stardusk wrote...

I used the Saber and Talon btw.

Also, can anyone explain me this weapon choice? I mean, both Talon and Saber deal comparable damage, yet being equiped together they drastically increase the cooldown time. So, what's the point?

[RedJohn]

Stardusk, I didn't have major problems using Harrier with Phasic/Incendiary/AP ammo, I find her damage output decent on platinum if you use power amps III or IV.

If you fight against Cerberus, phantoms die quickly with her "granades" and poison strike, they are not an issue.

Dragoons and armored enemies are more problematic because they don't have health, but nothing major either.

nothing that incendiary ammo couldn't fix.

If you fight against Collectors or Geth then I'd recomend phasic rounds.


true, the damage output can't be compared with a GI or even a novaguard, but she's not bad.

Take harrier and forget about that "hall of fame"


I personally don't care about it, I don't need any "hall of fame" to know that i'm a decent/good player.

I think you don't need it either.

[BridgeBurner]

llandwynwyn wrote...

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

1) He refused to use Harrier or Acolyte because Annomander made rules that you can't be accepted into the hall for using Harrier, Acolyte or running White, Ghost, Reactor, Glacier, Glacier Hazard, Reactor Hazard or White Hazard.

He's fighting on Ghost.
Annomander's rules are stupid. Who the **** cares how people solo their games? Seriously, that thread is a sad joke.

May I remind you all before you flame and rage like spoilt angry children, the rules exist for those willing to follow them. It is completely your own decision to follow the rules, just like it was my decision that a collection of platinum solo videos, all depicting giant + reegar / harrier / acolyte was against the spirit of the thread, which was designed to get people to solo with more variety. 

Up until the creation of the thread, there were under 10 classes which had been used for platinum solos. Now almost every kit has been solod with at least once.

I had not anticipated people deliberately not challenging themselves and taking the "easiest" option.

Stardusk voluntarily chose to accept the rules I imposed.

Therefore, flaming me about my rule set (which make sense: we don't have all 24 spots filled with giant / acolyte / reegar / harrier yet, so I call them a success....) is really pointless.



Stardusk needs to remember that calling for buffs because a class underperforms on platinum is fairly pointless.

If he thinks the cabal is bad on platinum, he should try some of the other kits out there and see how well he fares. Vorcha engineer? Batarian Sentinel? Volus Mercenary? Smashdept / Smashguard?

And don't flame me please, I'm Scottish; that's a battle none of you can win.

Modifié par Annomander, 03 mars 2013 - 07:59 .

[Distilled Poison]

I really can't figure out BSN's views on the Cabal. Either I'm the Cabal god or you're all just missing something. I've been using her 6/6/6/4/4 double dash with a Wraith VIII, on platinum, and have been competitive on the scoreboard. She's such a monster with CQB high spike damage weapons, it's great.

I swear, it's like the Krolord and sexbots have become the new baseline for balance.

Modifié par Distilled Poison, 03 mars 2013 - 08:01 .

[MaxShine]

omg... BSN... Just when you think you heard it all...

Modifié par 100RenegadePoints, 03 mars 2013 - 08:11 .

[TheFell]

BeardyMcGoo wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Harrier is forbidden. Piranha, maybe.

Refuses to bring high DPS weapons, complains that DPS isn't high enough =P

Gotta have something to complain about.

Isn't that all Stardusk ever does around here? Even making multiple threads on the same kit with endless whine coupled with elitist arrogance to anyone who dare defy him or argue - no matter how wrong he is. And at his age...? Getting so sick of this.
Granted, BSN is full of trolls and drama and e-peen - I barely notice it anymore - but very few are as annoying as this guy.

Stardusk; I get that you have your views and are very opinionated on what you would like this game to be like, wich obviously is completely fine, but for the love of god please cease your endless whining and arrogance; stick to IRL gender politic rants instead, something you seem very passionate about. Change the world, burn your bra and let the world hear you roar, but stop forum whoring for attention/peen stroke.
I mean when a guy actually soloed plat (regardless on how anyone feel it "should" be done to show "skill" in a co-op against simple AI) with this class your first response was not to give a friendly "congrats" but to diss him for using an Acolyte.... in german... wich unless you're actually from Germany probably means you're in a very sad, sad way trying to show off that you belong to the rather unimpressive minority of bilingual americans. /golfclap
*end rant*

Personally I'm enjoying the Cabal (although I haven't played her much yet) and I find her to be a fun kit and reasonably well balanced, apart from a few minor tweaks (like poison dmg buff/mele stuff) but all the Reckoning kits need that, probably because they JUST got released, not to mention the fact that the vast majority of players probably need more time to find their own way to make them shine.
Buffing the Cabal in the absurd ways "BSN-Lord Stardusk" cries and wails about would make her OP - I don't believe any kit should be amazing against every possible enemy on plat, that would completely eliminate the whole point of _CO-OP_ and just make every kit a simple dps beast. I might be wrong, but that is rarely the point of Co-op - if you want completely the same damage output and "skill"-based gameplay, try FPS like UT or CS.
Minor tweaks here and there I support, like animation durations for the Collector, but I'd rather the Devs focus on fixing the Talon kit aswell as it's keybind bug and other stuff that's been annoyances in ME3MP for a long time.

Modifié par TheFell, 03 mars 2013 - 08:03 .

[Distilled Poison]

^ Posts like this are why I limit my time on BSN. Sirian had the right idea.

[Voorhees88]

Cyonan wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Harrier is forbidden. Piranha, maybe.

Refuses to bring high DPS weapons, complains that DPS isn't high enough =P

[Tybo]

Annomander wrote...

llandwynwyn wrote...

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

1) He refused to use Harrier or Acolyte because Annomander made rules that you can't be accepted into the hall for using Harrier, Acolyte or running White, Ghost, Reactor, Glacier, Glacier Hazard, Reactor Hazard or White Hazard.

He's fighting on Ghost.
Annomander's rules are stupid. Who the **** cares how people solo their games? Seriously, that thread is a sad joke.

May I remind you all before you flame and rage like spoilt angry children, the rules exist for those willing to follow them. It is completely your own decision to follow the rules, just like it was my decision that a collection of platinum solo videos, all depicting giant + reegar / harrier / acolyte was against the spirit of the thread, which was designed to get people to solo with more variety. 

Up until the creation of the thread, there were under 10 classes which had been used for platinum solos. Now almost every kit has been solod with at least once.

I had not anticipated people deliberately not challenging themselves and taking the "easiest" option.

Stardusk voluntarily chose to accept the rules I imposed.

Therefore, flaming me about my rule set (which make sense: we don't have all 24 spots filled with giant / acolyte / reegar / harrier yet, so I call them a success....) is really pointless.



Stardusk needs to remember that calling for buffs because a class underperforms on platinum is fairly pointless.

If he thinks the cabal is bad on platinum, he should try some of the other kits out there and see how well he fares. Vorcha engineer? Batarian Sentinel? Volus Mercenary? Smashdept / Smashguard?

And don't flame me please, I'm Scottish; that's a battle none of you can win.

I don't get the hate for your platinum solo collection.  If someone doesn't like the rules, start your own platinum solo collection, listing everyone (or no one, I really don't care).  It's not like Annomander's thread is the official, only these solos are true solos thread.

He took the time to collect and organize all of the data, updating the post regularly, to show what has been done and how people have done it.  If you have a problem with the methodology, do it yourself, and stop b*tching.  

Modifié par tyhw, 03 mars 2013 - 08:08 .

[BridgeBurner]

Cabal Platinum Solo

Reapers, London, Platinum 65:00

PPR + Scorpion

Courtesy of Saeed, PS3 player.

65:00 is faster than the current solos using the AIU. So, without a harrier, an acolyte or a reegar he managed to solo faster than the AIU solos.

[karmmh]

Suggestions:
- do a practice run with some proper high DPS guns and see how you go, just for the hell of it.
- title of thread should read "soloing plat with Cabal according to Annomander's Hall of Fame Rules is hard", or similar.
- the day I come out in favour of letting Annomander's arbitrary platinum solo rules influence the balance of the entire game is the day hell freezes over.

[Stardusk]

TheFell wrote...

BeardyMcGoo wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Harrier is forbidden. Piranha, maybe.

Refuses to bring high DPS weapons, complains that DPS isn't high enough =P

Gotta have something to complain about.

Isn't that all Stardusk ever does around here? Even making multiple threads on the same kit with endless whine coupled with elitist arrogance to anyone who dare defy him or argue - no matter how wrong he is. And at his age...? Getting so sick of this.
Granted, BSN is full of trolls and drama and e-peen - I barely notice it anymore - but very few are as annoying as this guy.

Stardusk; I get that you have your views and are very opinionated on what you would like this game to be like, wich obviously is completely fine, but for the love of god please cease your endless whining and arrogance; stick to IRL gender politic rants instead, something you seem very passionate about. Change the world, burn your bra and let the world hear you roar, but stop forum whoring for attention/peen stroke.
I mean when a guy actually soloed plat (regardless on how anyone feel it "should" be done to show "skill" in a co-op against simple AI) with this class your first response was not to give a friendly "congrats" but to diss him for using an Acolyte.... in german... wich unless you're actually from Germany probably means you're in a very sad, sad way trying to show off that you belong to the rather unimpressive minority of bilingual americans. /golfclap
*end rant*

Personally I'm enjoying the Cabal (although I haven't played her much yet) and I find her to be a fun kit and reasonably well balanced, apart from a few minor tweaks (like poison dmg buff/mele stuff) but all the Reckoning kits need that, probably because they JUST got released, not to mention the fact that the vast majority of players probably need more time to find their own way to make them shine.
Buffing the Cabal in the absurd ways "BSN-Lord Stardusk" cries and wails about would make her OP - I don't believe any kit should be amazing against every possible enemy on plat, that would completely eliminate the whole point of _CO-OP_ and just make every kit a simple dps beast. I might be wrong, but that is rarely the point of Co-op - if you want completely the same damage output and "skill"-based gameplay, try FPS like UT or CS.
Minor tweaks here and there I support, like animation durations for the Collector, but I'd rather the Devs focus on fixing the Talon kit aswell as it's keybind bug and other stuff that's been annoyances in ME3MP for a long time.

You like to write a lot, congrats.

[TheFell]

Stardusk wrote...

TheFell wrote...

BeardyMcGoo wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Harrier is forbidden. Piranha, maybe.

Refuses to bring high DPS weapons, complains that DPS isn't high enough =P

Gotta have something to complain about.

*snipped fed up rant*

You like to write a lot, congrats.

Cute.
Glass house.
Rock.
I'd give points for efforts, but, yeah...
/pats head

[BridgeBurner]

tyhw wrote...

I don't get the hate for your platinum solo collection.  If someone doesn't like the rules, start your own platinum solo collection, listing everyone (or no one, I really don't care).  It's not like Annomander's thread is the official, only these solos are true solos thread.

He took the time to collect and organize all of the data, updating the post regularly, to show what has been done and how people have done it.  If you have a problem with the methodology, do it yourself, and stop b*tching.  

Ironically, it's the people who have 0 entries on the list who take issue with the rules. Caineghis, Saeed, Hardcore Salmon, Invader, all said they agreed... and we agreed that the "Honourable Mention" category could include banned set ups, if the performance was interesting. Get a 30 minute giant solo with 10 waves survived using a no-repair matrix AIU? Hellyeah that's worth including.

Not once have any of the people voicing strong opinions on the rules attempt to solo with any of the kits who hadn't been solod with... which was most of them. When I made the post, you could practically count on one hand the number of kits that had been solod with. Fewer than 33% of the total kits in the game had been used.

[Blind2Society]

Annomander wrote...

Cabal Platinum Solo

Reapers, London, Platinum 65:00

PPR + Scorpion

Courtesy of Saeed, PS3 player.

65:00 is faster than the current solos using the AIU. So, without a harrier, an acolyte or a reegar he managed to solo faster than the AIU solos.

The cabal is clearly OP and needs to be nerfed ASAP...

[Cyonan]

tyhw wrote...
I don't get the hate for your platinum solo collection.  If someone doesn't like the rules, start your own platinum solo collection, listing everyone (or no one, I really don't care).  It's not like Annomander's thread is the official, only these solos are true solos thread.

He took the time to collect and organize all of the data, updating the post regularly, to show what has been done and how people have done it.  If you have a problem with the methodology, do it yourself, and stop b*tching.  

I think the rules are silly, but I took the most mind blowing approach to dealing with it.

I completely ignored the optional way of doing an optional playstyle in a video game. I don't get why people give it as much hate as it's getting in this thread.

Though in the case of this thread, if you're going to follow unofficial rules to playing a game, then it's your own fault if your characters feel underwhelming.

[Ziegrif]

Annomander wrote...

Cabal Platinum Solo

Reapers, London, Platinum 65:00

PPR + Scorpion

Courtesy of Saeed, PS3 player.

65:00 is faster than the current solos using the AIU. So, without a harrier, an acolyte or a reegar he managed to solo faster than the AIU solos.

Nope.



61:27.
Merc used a GPS, Talon combo.



59:34.
Course I used a Claymore, Acolyte combo because I needed them. Course I broke the rules but I think UMs is eligible.

Eh I guess they both don't follow your rules but still faster.

Modifié par Ziegrif, 03 mars 2013 - 08:42 .

[nicethugbert]

Annomander wrote...
And don't flame me please, I'm Scottish; that's a battle none of you can win.

He's not kidding people!  Step away from the Scotsman!  But, no sudden movements.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38ub4n8-ojY

Incidentally, it would be nice if there were more harrier grade weapons in the game and less cruft.

Modifié par nicethugbert, 03 mars 2013 - 08:38 .

[TheFell]

Cyonan wrote...

tyhw wrote...
I don't get the hate for your platinum solo collection.  If someone doesn't like the rules, start your own platinum solo collection, listing everyone (or no one, I really don't care).  It's not like Annomander's thread is the official, only these solos are true solos thread.

He took the time to collect and organize all of the data, updating the post regularly, to show what has been done and how people have done it.  If you have a problem with the methodology, do it yourself, and stop b*tching.  

I think the rules are silly, but I took the most mind blowing approach to dealing with it.

I completely ignored the optional way of doing an optional playstyle in a video game. I don't get why people give it as much hate as it's getting in this thread.

Though in the case of this thread, if you're going to follow unofficial rules to playing a game, then it's your own fault if your characters feel underwhelming.

This. All of this. +1
The rules in question are not my cup of tea, but I applaud the effect of them in that they get people to try new things - and they are _optional_ rules for those who want them, if you dont like them don't whine about them, imo.

Modifié par TheFell, 03 mars 2013 - 08:42 .